Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@paradigmbreaker6825 says : I am not even an atheist just want to make that clear, but have you ever considered that each person for the most part gets their morality from societal conditioning around them? I mean sure the origin of these morals may come from religion but you can separate God and morality even if morality itself may or may not have originated from God. Most people don't take time whether they be atheist or Christian to contemplate where they get their religion or morality and if they did dig real deep inside themselves they would likely find it came from their, parents, schools, peers, town, etc. Just like someone in America is likely raised in some Christian religion or some slight variant of it ie Baptist,catholic, Mormon etc. So to someone born and raised in Baghdad is likely some form of Islam and automatically adopts all their morals and schools of thought from that tradition. Very rarely does said individual break away from these. Even if they think they have left that faith, still they likely think like the others who haven't for the most part, and that is because most of our morality and codes of ethics, our actual psychological programming is all completed before we even turn the age of 5. Before we even have the capacity to consciously reject our parents religion. And once someone does they usually don't take the time to realize it came from their community, family of origin and peers. So to does a Christian strongly believe their morality came from God when in actuality it came from their upbringing. I personally believe that the origins of morality came from empathy not so much an external force in the sky, but anything is possible I suppose.>> <<@Powerful9315 says : this is awesome!!>> <<@alanlee9472 says : Frank's contents are good for edifying the true believers, and they are good for helping the true seekers of the truth. We need to pray that the Holy Spirit will convict the true seeking ones. Dear eternal Father God, have mercy on the seeking one, and also open the eyes of the ones denying You, so they will not fall under Your judgment at the end. Amen.>> <<@hamster4618 says : Rights came from humanity and comes from evolution. Prove your God and prove he is moral. You might think the rule of ISIS in 2014 is moral, I do not.>> <<@cammackenzie4467 says : As an atheist, this is some of the most entertaining content on youtube.>> <<@Lily-gj8wb says : Damn, now that I've taken a moral standard from Christianity I feel so much better. Sorry, I wish I could talker longer but I have to beat my slaves from the nations around me and tell them to obey their master as the Lord commands.>> <<@RhythmEmotions says : Rights, standards , morals , right and wrong all come from people over time. Take the first thief or murderer you think they knew it was wrong no they didn't. But over time it's recognise as wrong and then it spreads.>> <<@Ozzyman200 says : Morality has always been a problem for religion. Whilst individual theists can be moral, they have no way to explain why any act is right or wrong through faith. They must always copy humanist values.>> <<@b.g.3073 says : This is not a good thumbnail..... Colbert is a Christian.>> <<@estuchedepeluche2212 says : Oh, yes, I borrow God’s morality when I have my perfect child tortured and killed so I can forgive the naughty ones.>> <<@anguschiggins2161 says : I am sure even Frank would be able to figure out the Nazi government was wrong if he didn't have his ancient book to refer too.>> <<@mattfrancis9976 says : The more I listen to Frank talk, the more convinced I am that he's never actually spoken to an atheist outside of answering their questions on stage. If he had, he would stop lumping all atheists together as though we all believe the same thing. Cos guess what...we don't! I don't know a single atheist that would say that morals are in fact objective in the way that Christians do. The definition of morality that I use is that it's an individual's belief about what actions you should and shouldn't take. I have my beliefs about what you should and shouldn't do, Frank has his and everyone else has theirs. So there is no single thing called 'morality'. I have my own sense of morality, Frank has his and so on. For the most part our beliefs are consistent, but we can also have differences based on how those beliefs were formed. And no God is needed for us to form those beliefs, we just need life experiences. I was taught from my parents what they believe to be right and wrong (don't steal, tell the truth etc etc) and then as I grew up I was able to determine for myself whether I hold those beliefs too. And the 'standard' for whether I believe actions to be right and wrong is how those actions affect other people. I'm a person that values the lives of others because of the relationships that I've formed. So I care about how others feel because as a social creature I have empathy. And because I know how things affect me, I know how they affect others. So if something affects my negatively, I see that as something that you shouldn't do because I don't want others to be negatively affected, simply because I care for them. And now we've arrived at my sense of morality, or my own sense/belief about what you should and shouldn't do. No God required. But here's the kicker. Yes, morality is subjective. There is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest that anything beyond humans cares about how we treat each other. Now that's a really hard pill for some people to swallow, but the simple fact is that morality is not objective and no God is required. So no, I don't 'steal' from your worldview.>> <<@midlander4 says : Strawman within 25 sec. You're slow out of the gate today Frank.>> <<@johnrichards6080 says : Japanese have strong moral standards, but no god and no stealing morals from the Christian god. Buddhists have moral standards, but no god. Some people decide it's morally wrong to eat meat - a moral standard not mentioned in the bible. Moral standards are entirely subjective. No God required. No "stealing" necessary. If killing is objectively wrong, why do Christians support killing murderers, killing in wars? Why did Christians support Hitler? Why do Christians ignore commands in scripture they regard as unacceptable by modern standards? Why are so many Christian countries so violent, if moral standards are objective? It is because morals are entirely subjective. Culture creates moral standards, not a supernatural being.>> <<@Wordoffakes says : We don't borrow from you guys. It's not like being moral is a copy right or inventions. We all developed our own moral compass and mine actually goes against your bull$hit do how can I be borrowing them?>> <<@sundareshvenugopal6575 says : The only question worth asking is, are people saved by the grace of God or by their own good works ? What does salvation and grace mean, the freedom to sin, and the power to sin , or the freedom from sinning, and the power not to sin ? If Christ was without sin, then believers in Christ must be without sin. Do any Christians have the latter power ? If Christ offers the latter power, and Christians were indeed perfect, then it would make sense for me to want to believe in Christ.>> <<@logicalatheist1065 says : I would never borrow morality from Christians .>> <<@JamesMC04 says : Christians have to some extent borrowed their ethics from the heathen, so atheists, if they borrow ethical ideas from Christianity, are merely doing something similar. Atheist borrowing of Christian ethics is no objection to atheism, & it in no way implies that Christian theism, or Christianity as a creed, is worthy of belief. There is no justification here for any kind of Christian crowing, or for Christian claims of moral superiority. Christian moral ideas have no necessary connection with Christian theism - as is shown by how Christian ethics have changed through the centuries - and are just one set of ethical ideas among many others; better than some in some respects, inferior to others in others.>> <<@Renato40044 says : Never ever have I borrowed morals from the taliban. Theists are a weird bunch😅😅>> <<@markcarpenter7437 says : We all naturally know when something is wrong. It is not government or some collective thought that teaches one when an action or thought is wicked or just not good. It is not against the law to wish something bad on someone, but try it and feel the guilt that follows at some point afterwards. And if one does not feel this guilty at some point afterwards they have damaged their conscience or even destroyed it.That is just one example of right and wrong coming from a designer and not institutions of man or some evolutionary illusion. Or delusion.>> <<@gareginasatryan6761 says : Another thing I was thinking. If morality is the evolutionary process of constant progress (more survival) than anything is moral. For example. They would say that rape “feels” bad because it works against survival. So humans evolved unpleasant feelings. Then say that rape evolved as a mechanism for survival. Anything that happened, happened for survival. At that point aren’t we standing in the path of progress by trying to stop rape. Or is that (stomping out rape) also part of the evolutionary improvement. You often hear quotes like we haven’t evolved to that level yet to eliminate racism, sexism etc. Apparently those things were evolutionary developments too Moreover since those processes are massive and distributed, we can never plan or make statements. Merely feeling bad/good doesn’t mean more survival. Pizza and not hearing the truth also feel good.>> <<@othername6345 says : In my experience, atheists have a very difficult time understanding this. I assume it's because they never finish the thought. They don't take their beliefs to its logical conclusion, so if you bring it under their attention they look at you with disbelief. Or, they admit their belief system doesn't allow for objective morality, and everyone can just act according to their own subjective moral compass, yet they always want to be treated according to Biblical morality. No atheist ever said "I wish to be put into a caste system that treats me like crap", or "I want FGM to happen to me.">> <<@fcchannel6162 says : the atheist is delusion the person who's see creation and deny a creator is like seeing a child in saying there is no parents if we asking to prove god or for evidence on god there is none but the bible says that god is the creator of heaven and earth we all know creator exist we all know creation exist we have laws we know there people who makes these laws being atheist is say i see this creation but i know it not to be a creator atheist don't believe in they're own worldview.>> <<@JamesRichardWiley says : I derive my moral standards from the Golden Rule. Do unto others and I would have them do unto me. It works just fine.>> <<@midlander4 says : Within 20 seconds it's strawman bs time. What a surprise coming from professional xtians. "This is brilliant" - err nope, it's so unbelievably feeble.>> <<@quinty26 says : Atheist 1- 1 +1=4 Atheist 2- 1+1=6 Atheist 1- That's incorrect Atheist 2- That's incorrect The objective standard is 1+1=2 Objectivity is reality. Subjectivity is fantasy. Facts over feelings. Atheism actually debunks itself.>> <<@sundareshvenugopal6575 says : Are christians truly moral ? Is their morality not dubious, and their dealings not shady ? Are their standards impeccable and perfect ? If they are would they resent other people wanting to borrow their standards. I can understand christians calling Santa Claus a pagan. Evidently Santa comes bearing gifts only to children who are good, but Jesus comes bearing gifts only to those who love him and not his gifts, irrespective of whether they have been good or not ? If you were even a bit good could you possibly not love a a bit better person ? Would you still idolize Christ if he was not good ?>> <<@sundareshvenugopal6575 says : I am sure that is what Christ himself would say.>> <<@Matthew_Holton says : History, especially of the last few hundred years is a tale of a world escaping from 'christian' values and evolving beyond them to build moral and legal systems based on secular morality principles. This is why we now view slavery as wrong (even though it is supported in the bible) why we now see the subjugation of women as wrong (even though it is supported in the Bible), why we have made homosexuality legal with equal rights (though the Bible condemns it), why we view genocide as immoral (though the Bible tells us of god commiting and commanding it over and over), why we view rape as a terrible crime against a woman (while the bible says it is property crime against the woman's father!). The list goes and on and on. The modern, increasingly secular western world is seeking to overcome the legacy of religion, especially christianity, not 'borrow' from it. Religion is bad dream, a shared mental illness the world needs to recover from. I now expect all the religious idiots who usually reply to my posts here to come piling in. Bring it on! Lets have some fun debating.>> <<@2ndPigeon says : Why is Colbert on the thumbnail? He's super Catholic.>> <<@albertjames804 says : Athiest: "I dont believe in God, I just think that everyone should treat other with respect and do what we should do to help those less Fortunate than us" Me: "why the actual heck should you treat people with respect or help the less Fortunate" Athiest try to refute the moral argument for God and then say stuff like this as if that somehow helps them. Like come on, justify these arguments please. Why do people have any value? Why is knowledge valuable? Why or how does anything make sense?>> <<@Flintstones22 says : Why is this guy equating the far left/democrats with atheists? No correlation.>> <<@didjargo says : Here's one for you, of all sense of right and wrong comes from God and God alone, why is it that those who believe in God cannot all agree on what is morally right and wrong? If you take a modern day Christian and compare them to a Christian plantation owner from the 1800's, they are going to have very different moral standards even though they both claim their morals come from the same God. It is almost as if everyone's morals ae a matter of opinion and religious people think that their's are perfect because "God said so".>> <<@aminuteforchrist says : Legitimate question: If we received our morals from God - or through the tree of knowledge - and we are expected to follow such morals, then why doesn't our morals line up? A classic example being "how can a just God allow genocide?" We obviously see something wrong with it. It is effectively killing many, many people - young, old, sick, healthy - doesn't matter. Our morals seem to go completely against what God seen as the moral thing to do. How could we have got our morals from God if they don't line up?>> <<@madeleyinc says : If you beleive in religious text to get your morals in order then that is a good thing. It means the authors have achieved what they intended and are protecting free thinkers from those who can't.>> <<@onethdasanayake3689 says : Warning: Triggered atheists in the comments (atheist mobs stalking Christians everywhere on YouTube)>> <<@JeffreyBoser says : 'just opinion'.. every theist who says this reveals their ignorance. 'just opinion' can mean the difference in your child eating the next day, the difference of violence or peace in your life, in who owns your house. And, the conglomeration of 'just an opinion' can be the tidal wave of morality that forms the basis of social judgement. And the fact that the theist can't see that, is as revealing as the fact that their most fundamental moral belief is one that is not part of moral intuition the world over, to believe in the same God. A moral choice with infinite reward, infinite punishment, and zero moral foundation.>> <<@somerandom3247 says : We don't get our morality from a god. And even if we did, it certainly wouldn't be from the Christian god. Our morals are vastly different from those set out in the bible, just like yours are. Our morals align more with the society we grew up in than they do to the bible. This alone shows where we get our morals from. Society. Not a god, and certainly not from your god. Untill you can provide some objective morals, and an explination as to what makes them objective, subjective morality is all we have to work with. If anything, it's religion that is stealing morality from society, not the other way around.>> <<@davex444 says : Wow. Arguments that start with, "What atheists have to do.." are just shifting the burden of proof. Show us your god, or stop telling us it's real.>> <<@todbeard8118 says : It's a good thing we don't borrow the standards from the bible that tell you how you can own and beat slaves like the 19th century slave owners of the South did. Evangelists like Frank Turek like to ignore the rather immoral issues the bible condones. Or they'll BS and say biblical slavery is only indentured servitude, which is immoral in itself and is clearly chattel slavery when you read Leviticus25 and Exodus21.>> <<@phoenixanimations5233 says : Boy this video is so funny I am rewatching this every day.... Another one for you Mr Turek, easy one: Is killing moraly wrong?>> <<@helpmaboabb says : Turek is at odds with Lennox here who says morality is found among peoples which never knew Christianity because humans are made in the Image. More straightforwardly, David Hume said that all morality is just enlightened self-interest.>> <<@robvanlimpt6874 says : What a load of nonsense>> <<@vol4jesus684 says : Love it. Atheists have no way of justifying or condemning actions. Giving $20 to a homeless man would have as much moral weight as killing him. So if an Atheist holds to the belief that there is a good and evil, then they are being inconsistent in their worldview. You need to believe in God if you are to believe in good or evil.>> <<@shannoncats5549 says : Stephen Colbert isn’t an ‘atheist’, he is a full-on Satanist and he eats babies. Fact.>> <<@drumrnva says : Hey thumbnail- creator: Colbert is not an atheist.>> <<@thebottomline9250 says : By Frank's logic if the standard of good comes only from religion. Then where does evil come from? If the ability to do good comes from religion then does the ability to do evil come from religion as well?>> <<@phoenixanimations5233 says : Dr your moral is based only on book written by men.... if they wrote here something else your moral would be different... You will say: that was inspired by God... and that is just opinion.>> <<@hmgrraarrpffrzz9763 says : _"Because if there is no God, and therefore no objective standard for “good” then everything is just a matter of opinion."_ Well, yeah... That's why some theists believe that death penalty is moral, and other theists think it's immoral. That's why some theists believe a starving child should steal food to survive and that this would then be moral, while other theists think that would be immoral because it would be stealing. Even theists can't agree on what is moral or not, because there is no objective moral standard. Like how would we even access that thing would it exist? How would that work? And if God would exist, how would his morality be objective, considering that he is an entity with a subjective mind? And if we'd access Gods morality, then how would that be good, considering that the God of the Bible condones infanticide and slavery and abuse of slaves and is violent and has a temper and gets angry easily and needlessly murders people... Like would that be the standard to live by? And if there would be an objective standard, why would even theists often change their opinion on what's moral or not over the course of their lifetime? Like none of that makes any sense. "I have objective morality" is just theists saying "I am right and you are wrong because of magic".>> <<@maxdoubt5219 says : What is right vs wrong. With atheists it supposedly boils down to opinion. But Xians regularly disagree about what God is and is not OK with, so it _also_ boils down to opinion.>>