Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@CrossExamined says : FREE Download of sermon I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist!: 👉📱https://cutt.ly/cInI1eo>> <<@mikegraphone2736 says : Ironically Frank says " Maybe I have some beliefs I haven't thought all the way through" Then proceeds to refer to Calvinists as " Brothers and Sisters in Christ" which they clearly are not any more so than a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. I don't hate any of these people I hope they realize one day that they are following a false gospel. However the Teachers and Preachers of these false Gospels will have to answer to the One True God .>> <<@warrenbuyer says : Flowers - like so many others - hasn't done a good study of nature. Meaning, man's nature, the nature of things. Man has free will, but it's subject to man's nature. A fallen nature>> <<@TravisBreheny says : I've watched some of Leighton's videos. He sounds like he is well read, researched, and intelligent, but I must say, his arguments are pretty illogical at times. I agree with John MacArthur's response to this. I think the term Calvinist is actually quite misunderstood. This is coming from someone who doesn't label themselves as a Calvinist. I just think scripture speaks for itself.>> <<@5johnsneed7 says : It is hard to kick against the pricks,>> <<@berndtherrenvolk1951 says : I'm a Calvinist and most of the Calvinists I know have thought through the things Frank think they don't think through. (FYIW, I only call myself a Calvinist because people keep sticking me in that box. I just read the Bible and take God at his word for what he says. To me I'm just a Christian. And I don't want to call other people Arminians or whatever. When people call me a Calvinist rather than a Christian, I feel very similar to when people call me a cis-male rather than a man. I'm just a man, too. Just . . . a . . . man. But perhaps a Calvinist is a cis-Christian?) Anyway, our understanding of God and the Gospel of Christ cannot be grounded primarily in (1) how we logically think of God and then (2) extrapolate out to what we find to be consequences of that thinking. That is utilitarian and may (or may not) be in error. But it is a process of manthink. Our first and ongoing foundational grounding of how we understand God is WHAT GOD REVEALS ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE BIBLE. It may be that God reveals himself in ways that we think vilify him if we take him too literally. We struggle with the limitations of human thought and language in trying to understand how God can ordain (and not just allow passively) everything that happens, including evil, (1) without being "the author of sin" and (2) still allowing a significant freedom of will that permits sinful unsaved persons to be justly condemned. And yet Frank in several videos correctly states that if God does something, like taking a life, it's not murder -- the way it would be if a human took a life (not in self-defense). Because whatever God does is BY DEFINITION perfectly right/just/holy because he is the only autonomous and only authoritative author of ANYTHING good. Frank even uses examples of God using the Israelites to wipe out the Canaanites -- and for God to use the Assyrians and Babylonians to pour devastation onto Israel itself. Frank points out that it is judgment upon the sinful that God is engaged in -- and not some capricious mean-spirited God just blasting people because he's a vengeful dictator and sadist. But the Bible shows us decades upon decades of northern and southern kingdom prophets warning the people of God that God says he is going to punish them unless they return to him faithfully. And he even says he will use certain foreign powers to do it. And then he will smite those foreign powers for afflicting HIS people even though he used those foreign powers' evil for his own purposes to chasize his own people. Like he used the flood on the whole world except Noah and his immediate kin. But consider this: What if the reason that God tells the accounts of his judgment in the above stories, but doesn't speak specifically to the plethora of other horrible things that happen is that he wants us to get a specific message from what he HAS told us. Mankind is so sinful that even the Kingdom of Israel could NOT act faithfully and would inevitably suffer invasion and largely permanent assimilation by Assyria. And mankind is so sinful that even the Kingdom of Judah could NOT act faithfully and would inevitably suffer invasion and temporary exile by the Babylonians. But the line of the promise made to Abraham and David went through the tribe of Judah to produce the Messiah. To be faithful to his own promises, God had to preserve the line of Judah. But the Israelites who were taken to Babylon did not return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple and reestablish the nation and faith because they were or had become nonsinners. It was God's grace and his faithfulness to his own word that meitd the return from exile. The story of what happened to the Israelites from the times of the unified kingdom and divided kingdoms, exiles, and return, continue to show the ongoing sinfulness of mankind, including God's people. God had to solve the problem of human evil, including that of "his people," because humans are just too intrinsically corrupt. We CAN'T do it. So the Old Testament story of the Hebrews/Israelite people show us that no matter how many instructiongs, warnings, explanations, love letters, implorings, promises, etc. that God gives us, we cannot be faithful. Judah couldn't even learn by the fate of northern Israel. We will always end up being adulterous wives to the bridegroom. Yet not only does God still want us, he is wiling to die for us to transfer HIS righteousness , specifically that of his faithful Son and our bridegroom to the bride (us).>> <<@philipmurray9796 says : The question is, why does Layton reject what the Bible teaches about God's role in salvation?>> <<@Soybean_Rodriguez says : :30 “…if it really is making God the author of sin”. When did Calvin ever say or infer that God is the author of sin? As a Calvinist, I don’t believe God is the author of sin. Nor have I ever in all my years of intense study heard any Calvinist or reform teacher make that claim. So please don’t tell us that we believe something that we don’t.>> <<@AV_4C says : “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven”.>> <<@RossTheWretch says : Think with me for a moment, that if God was indeed the author of sin...is that not ok? I mean think about it.. It is for our good and His glory. What if we had never recognized our 'sin'? What else would it have needed to take other than having Christ pay for our 'sin', and not recognizing that sin before God Himself, due to the propitiation of His son on the behalf of those who would believe, opened our eyes to see our 'sin' and hatred towards God alone, (Jeremiah 17:9) If God is the author of sin, it is good for us. We have no excuse!! He at least shows it to us so that we can repent of it and know ourselves better so that we can know God more!>> <<@aletheia8054 says : God doesn’t love everybody>> <<@videopirate9138 says : I don't think the vast majority of Christians have thought through the logical implications of their beliefs, if they had they would realize that the god depicted in OT scripture is not and can not be the 'omni' god they so often assert their god to be, furthermore they would understand that the creator of the universe and everything in it 'omni' god they believe in is solely responsible for the 'fall of man' that they believe they are justly held accountable to god for.>> <<@nobody1042 says : What long-term effects? What implications? You hold up the "Chosen but Free" book, but that book is written by an Armenian, Norman L. Geisler. You need to read books written by Calvinists. You cannot understand Calvinism by reading Armenian books.>> <<@PHILHAMILT0N says : Calvinism does not make God the author of sin>> <<@thomasb4467 says : I truly don’t understand why people want to get so wrapped up and dogmatic over man-made doctrines that require them to ignore or explain away scripture. “OH! When the apostle said who will have all men to be saved or that God isn’t willing that any should perish he REALLYYY means only those who he chose.”>> <<@kanetd1816 says : I am a non Calvinist due to weighing the scripture that supports the free will and choice offered by God and Jesus right across both testaments in the bible, respectively. Frank makes a great point that ‘Calvinism is easy (paraphrasing)’ and he is right. When you can just defer to God and say it was always my destiny to be saved and it wasn’t someone else it’s respectfully a bit of a cop out. I came back to the Lord after 20 years and I made a choice to do so because I realised what sin and worldly behaviour had done to me over time. Not all prodigal sons return and this is a God given choice as they are ‘handed over to their debased mind’. Read the scriptures of hope where God pours out his hope for mankind and for none to suffer damnation. This is not a God that knows everyone that will and won’t be saved, by name. It’s why we have a soul and animals don’t folks. God bless>> <<@biggsenator says : The fact is that no coherent group of theologians has "thought through their theology" more thoroughly and exhaustively than Calvinists. There are more book-length, thorough, and in my judgment irrefutable, defenses of soteriological Calvinism than there are specifically devoted to defending the Trinity. The vast majority of the giants of historical theology have been soteriological Calvinists. What group of Arminians could cite equivalent accomplishments and contributions to the Kingdom of R.C. Sproul, James Montgomery Boice, J.I. Packer, Charles Spurgeon, Martin Luther, John Knox, B.B. Warfield, John MacArthur, Al Mohler, Augustus Strong, J. Gresham Machen, and a host of others, not to mention John Calvin himself? What group of Arminians could claim equally universal respect in the theological world? I appreciate the intent to be charitable, but what this discussion reveals is how narrow and sparse the reading and study of these men has been. All of their objections to Calvinism have been thoroughly, biblically, logically, and irrefutably answered in countless works for literally centuries. They appear to be unaware of this extensive body of work, as they trot out all the same shallow caricatures and arguments without dealing with, or even mentioning, any of the substantive responses or issues raised by Calvinists. How, for instance, do Arminians (the term I am using for non-Calvinists) deal with the unqualified statement by Paul that God works out everything in accordance with the purpose of His will, including the election of Christians (Ephesians 1:11)? How do they deal with the irrefutable fact that Acts 2:23 and 4:25-28 (not to mention Isaiah 10:5-19 and the book of Habakkuk) unequivocally declare that God planned, ordained, and intended human sin and used it for His own purposes? Do Arminians have an explanation that explains how God is not thus the author of sin that does not contradict the plain meaning of these texts? Calvinists do, and have expressed this "thinking through" of their theology many, many times in many, many works. Sadly, Flowers and Turek are simply not well read enough to know it, so they naively conclude that Calvinists haven't thought their theology through. I also do appreciate Turek's admission that there are probably many aspects of his theology that he has not "thought through," but the problem is deeper than that. Their discussion, and actually the question which generated it, along with its premise, reveal either a distressingly profound ignorance of Scripture, or an obstinately sinful suppression of its teaching, or both, not to mention a lack of self-awareness. The objections they cite are the very objections man's sin makes against the sovereignty of God in defense of human autonomy. Not only do they not know Scripture well enough; they are unaware of the sinful motivations and assumptions of the "logic" they profess. In short, it is not anything noble that causes it to be unthinkable to them that God does what he pleases with His creatures. Calvinists believe in free will (that is, will that is uncoerced by anyone outside the person), but also they also assert, with Scripture, that God predestines even what the free will of man chooses, for HIs own glory. Romans 9 unabashedly teaches that God ordains some unto destruction in order to demonstrate His justice and power, citing Pharaoh as an example. It is pure, man-centered humanism that makes this unthinkable to a person. These men do not know themselves, nor do they know well enough the God they profess. God does not exist for man; man exists for God (Romans 11:36). Lastly, who is it, really, that have not thought their theology through? Soteriological Calvinism has, quite appropriately, been called "the doctrines of grace." The issue is this. What is the crucial, distinctive thing that assigns a saved person to glory and an unsaved person who has heard the message of salvation to perdition? There are only two possible ways to answer that question. One is to say that it is something that person does, namely believe. But if that is true, then what actually saves a person is something he does, and that is not salvation by grace; it is to make faith a meritorious work which God rewards with salvation. The other way is to say that faith is the means by which God saves a person, but that that faith is not faith in his FAITH per se, but in GOD, and that it is God who imparts the faith as a gift to those whom He has chosen by His grace (Ephesians 2:8, 9; I Corinthians 1:18-24; cf. Romans 8:28-30). The first scenario produces something about which to boast; the second produces humility and gratitude. Further, the Arminian cannot give up his conviction that he is the determiner of his destiny rather than God. This is the central issue in this debate. My question is: have Arminians thought through the logical implications of their theology? Those implications (necessary ones, we might add) are the denial of the gospel of grace, a man-centered, works salvation, and a blasphemous assertion of human autonomy. Do Arminians pray for lost people? Why? To whom are they praying? What more can or will God do than He has already done, according to them? I have said many times that most Arminians are genuine Christians whose faithful instincts often belie their stated theology, for precisely the same reason that Turek cites above: they have not thought through the implications of their theology. Ironic, isn't it?>> <<@ManassehJones says : Deniers of God's effectual grace, of the clear biblical teaching of predestination and election of God's chosen, is recognized only as heretical by those not given eyes to see, ears to hear, nor the Holy Spirit in the new birth. It is as is supposed to be.>> <<@chrisharris9710 says : “I’ve read books on it”……😂😂>> <<@olaoluwaelijah6154 says : ...A Holy God can not be the author of sin. If He was, then He is not Holy. But I worship a God who has been Holy from eternity and to eternity.>> <<@leonardu6094 says : The god of calvinism is worse than satan.>> <<@LilacDaisy2 says : Who wrote the Bible? Men. Who wrote the Bible? God God is one. God is three. Who decides to be saved? Each man. Who decides to save each man? God. Why is it only the latter that people have a problem with and push God out of it?>> <<@johnholder4208 says : Do Calvinists observe the Shabbat? Do they reject Christmas or Easter? Do they observe the Laws of Moses?>> <<@andrewlineberger7544 says : Calvinism = "When being better than everyone else ain't good enough">> <<@taylor-21c says : If find it interesting that Calvinists have the same argument: "Have Arminians thought through the logical implications of their beliefs?" I don't see that kind of argument leading to any useful conclusions. It will be a constant battle until Jesus returns, and I suspect both sides will be equally surprised at how everything will be resolved. We may think we already understand God and His workings, but He remains incomprehensible until Jesus returns and everything really makes sense to everyone.>> <<@goldenreel says : The logical conclusion of synergism is grace + works.>> <<@maxmustermann1206 says : Is there a link to the full video? This video doesn't explain how Calvinist theology make God the author of sin. I don't know of any Calvinists that believe that.>> <<@stephencrotts5393 says : Isaiah 45:7>> <<@alpinewonders says : Steve Gregg at thenarrowpath site takes the same position as you guys. One of his heroes is George Müller, George`s Calvinism notwithstanding>> <<@kevincarney1984 says : Should Arminians (most of which are semi-Pelagian today according to Roger E Olson who is an Arminian) “be cast out of the kingdom”? How condescending and foolish it is to even give such a question legitimacy by entertaining a question like whether or not, we should break fellowship over whether someone embraces Arminianism or Calvinism! There is a subtle ad hominem involved in the very wording of the question ie (Calvinists are deceived) that any intelligent person can’t help but notice. obviously, this can be turned around and aimed at the Arminian as well.>> <<@JMcN76 says : Every single person...every single one...who rails against Calvinism NEVER has a clue what it is about. Not to mention the fact that Arminianism was condemned as heretical at the Canons of Dordtrecht. That's where the so-called 5 points came from. So, it's amazing to me that Scripture screams Calvinism and that the majority of churches in the world have the Arminian belief system as their theological girding. Martin Luther said it best, "If the doctrine of election isn't true, then how do I know how much worship to give to God and how much do I give to myself?" The doctrine of election is a humbling doctrine. And you can't read the Bible without seeing it starting all the way back with Cain and Abel. Abraham. Jacob and Esau. The Israelites. The apostles. Romans 9.>> <<@rorywynhoff1549 says : CONFESSION From R. C. Sproul (died, 2017): "A while back I had one of those moments... suddenly the question hit me: 'R.C., what if you are not one of the redeemed? What if your destination is not heaven after all, but hell?' Let me tell you, that I was flooded in my body with a chill that went from my head to the bottom of my spine. I was terrified." Source: R. C. Sproul, "Assurance of Salvation" (Tabletalk, Ligonier Ministries, Inc., 1989), p.20; cited from Dave Hunt's book, What Love is This?>> <<@chrisbrower9532 says : #1. I’m not a Calvanist. #2. I have nothing bad to say about Dr. Frank Turek.. nothing but good, in fact. He’s been outstanding in helping me with many tough questions. #3. I consider Dr. Flowers a brother in Christ… but would love to see his number one priority stop being: “convert Calvinists”; it’s nonsense. There’s no question Calvinism is NOT something to divide over (to the point of “casting out of the Kingdom” I mean); that is absolutely ridiculous! Frank spoke his disagreement and why, respectfully… but didn’t commit to tossing out a brother over a “non essential”. Truth be told: NOBODY fully understands Soteriology!! It is beyond us- why a perfect God would care for man: “When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, What is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him?” Psalm 8:3-4>> <<@tmhandmsh says : Normally I appreciate Frank's content, but the title of this piece is insulting and quite "frankly" disgusting and the content itself is non-existent, it's a couple of guys discussing their opinions and viewpoints without scripture. The title alone infers that all great evangelists and theologians the world recognizes, like Spurgeon, are simple-minded idiots who have never "thought through" their beliefs. That's ludicrous beyond comprehension, I have not enough words to describe. It's heartbreaking you found this necessary, Frank.>> <<@objectivereality1392 says : I've only heard good arguments against strawmen of Calvinism.... None against actual Calvinism.>> <<@rollingstone3017 says : Good Grief. I believe, but now I gotta know God perfectly or He will not save me?>> <<@hewittfamilyclassics says : The subject of the email Frank sent out promoting this clip is “Should Calvinists be cast out of the kingdom…”. What a divisive and slanderous question. This kind of ridiculous clickbait is unbecoming of this ministry (which I enjoy).>> <<@rockandsandapologetics7254 says : I have a very close friend who comes from a reformed background. One day as he was over my place preparing to present Greg Koukl's The Story of Reality , over a period of 6 weeks to the youth group in my church I said this to him. "I have an image in my mind of a beautiful bird. This bird had 2 beautiful, powerful wings, that seemed to be beating each other. It was this action that kept the bird aloft in flight. The name of one wing was Arminianism and the other Calvinism, but what's the most important part of that bird? It isn't the wings, it's the body." He looked at me and said, "I like that. I'm going to use that." I was invited to a Bible study at a church by another friend, and we opened up to Ephesians 1. I was looking forward to a great Bible study, but the pastor turned it into a Calvinist teaching. I questioned him on a number of points, but he kept coming back with, "I was like that too until I saw the truth." I have not gone back to that church, not because I cast them out, but because, as Christians we aren't supposed to create division in the Body of Christ, and I knew that's exactly what I would be doing if I did go back. So I love them, but I cannot go back.>> <<@terryfonz4603 says : And we all on a journey their belief will likely change>> <<@MaryMM-22 says : How can anyone read the Old Testament and see the complete power of God in creation in controlling wars and kings and not think he is Sovereign over all things? He brings good and as Job said adversity. Joseph said He meant it for good. Because The Psalms are poetic does that mean 104 is not to be taken seriously? If he isn’t sovereign in salvation then humans are and if you are then you can lose it as well. Calvinism gives God all glory without crediting him with sin. Too much to say here. Peace to all in Christ no matter whether you are reformed or not. The gospel is what should unite us.🙏✝️>> <<@RobertEMason says : I totally believe the Calvinist point of view. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭45‬:‭7‬ ‭ Non-Calvinists think they have power they really don't. God is sovereign - you aren't>> <<@ObjectOfMercy says : Idk man I think in the last several hundred years since John Calvin to say that there possibly has been no in depth thought into why Calvinists hold to the doctrine they have is pretty narrow minded… especially when scripture tells us to challenge our faith and dig deep I think the Calvinist Thinkers throughout time has probably thought it through especially in the last few hundred years.>> <<@jsphfalcon says : My question is "Is Calvin in heaven right now?">> <<@xenophon598 says : Christianity is for Israelites only, according to God.>> <<@paulasaleny1060 says : Paula's husband here: used to be an ANTIcalvinist, BUT GOD changed my heart and mind through HIS WORD! My 2 greatest reasons for becoming reformed( calvinist if you will) are JESUS and Paul, have you not heard, have you not read!>> <<@truthteller148 says : Spiritually dead people can not choose GOD- Therefore GOD HAS to Chose them. Its all over Scripture 2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. Ephesians 1:4 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love. Acts 13:48 ESV: And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. 1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light Salvation is a sovereign act of GOD so HE alone gets the Glory (NOT MAN) God Bless Brothers!!!!>> <<@richardrahl1001 says : Dr. Turek. You are praised for your confrontation of atheists among many believers. However, to say again, you should avoid internal apologetics. You will end up losing support for the same illogic you are claiming many of your supporters hold. This video does 1 thing: insults/shames “Calvinists.” Is that brotherly? No. Is that biblical? No. Does it establish a logical argument for discussion or an attempted apologize your position (not given)? No. Does it promote the apologetics of atheists? No. Does it promote the apologetics between biblical theologians and heretical groups (LDS for example)? No. Does it help in the discussion over internal conflicts within the body of Christ (such as the Reformed and Pelagian groups in this video)? No. What are the consequences of this video? Shame, your Reformed/Calvinistic brothers and sisters to reply to the unfounded attack, further attacks from your commentators further dividing the body of Christ (I believe being divisive is a fruit of the flesh; Galatians), and potentially the loss of support from your Reformed brethren. Was there 1 benefit from that list of consequences? No. Consider as well: Dr. Flowers has admitted and boldly proclaimed multiple times that man is neutral, thus can makes good and bad choices. Thus, man chooses God for himself or man doesn’t, allowing man to boast of his choice to follow God (and if man chooses, he can later choose to leave), therefore God has no power unto salvation. That idea of man does not need a savior nor grace (helpful, but not necessary). Pelagianism, under its modern guise of provisionism, is as much a heresy today as yesterday as 1500 years ago. (Humanism, under its theological hat as Pelagianism/provisionism, is logically fallacious and biblically contradictory from assertion 1 to conclusion.) If you care for actual arguments and proofs, find my responses across many of his videos. I have proven the illogic and biblical butchery time and again.>> <<@paulcummings287 says : It's a false claim to say this is an Arminian VS Calvin debate on Theology. Neither has a complete claim on the complete truth or there wouldn't be verses supporting each view. It's sad this has become as divisive as it is...since I think we all agree that we need Christ's blood, we need repentance, we need to be born again and we each hold the Bible as God's inerrant perfect Word (or I hope we do!). I look forward to the day when we can just discuss this without name calling and shaming either side as not loving God or His Word.>> <<@arthur_tttt says : You have 2 choices. You can be a Calvinist. Or you can be Wrong.>> <<@simonlanghart6663 says : The slogen on the shirt on the thumbnail, is Blasphemous. Because it equites God with a t-shirt.>>