Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@CrossExamined says : Listen full podcast here👉https://apple.co/40hpkVy>> <<@oilfieldtrash3808 says : All religions are made-up fairytales.>> <<@adcrane says : The lengths theists will go to never fail to shock me. I will believe in your god when you show me evidence for his existence. Until then you are asking me to believe your delusion because you believe it.>> <<@Rydonatello says : Yes, they can be. Evidence points to a nearly 14 billion year old universe. What I find extremely strange is that as a human species we have no recollection of time before 6 thousand odd years ago. Which is very strange that we seen to gave been here for billions of years in one form or another and has humans for hundreds of thousands, possibly millions yet we have collective amnesia that kicked in a few thousand years ago.>> <<@drzaius844 says : Using a syllogism to prove god is insane.>> <<@AussieNaturalist says : The Kalam Cosmological Argument was never a sound argument to begin with, and it still isnt. And it seems that lying is okay if you're lying for Jesus...>> <<@barryallen119 says : Craig is a heretic. He is Wesleyan theologian who upholds the view of Molinism and neo-Apollinarianism. Key tenets of Apollinariansm include: The denial of the human nature of Jesus beyond his physical body. The belief that a created human nature is by definition incapable of sinlessness. (many problems with this) Apollinarianism was condemned as heresy at the first council of Constantinople in the year 361.>> <<@bible1st says : The ressurection of theism 1957>> <<@Ironpetals2964 says : If everything has a cause, except your god, you are committing a special pleading fallacy. You set a rule, only to exclude something from that rule, in order to have an argument. You also automatically destroy your argument, because if your god doesn’t have to have a cause, then you are admitting that some things can exist without having a cause. Now using Ockhams Razor (meaning that we should be searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements), we can eliminate the element of your god and simply say the universe was uncaused and existed eternally in some form. Logic 1 - Theism still 0>> <<@Ironpetals2964 says : If everything has a cause, except your god, you are committing a special pleading fallacy. You set a rule, only to exclude something from that rule, in order to have an argument. You also automatically destroy your argument, because if your god doesn’t have to have a cause, then you are admitting that some things can exist without having a cause. Now using Ockhams Razor (meaning that we should be searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements), we can eliminate the element of your god and simply say the universe was uncaused and existed eternally in some form. Logic 1 - Theism still 0>> <<@cnault3244 says : Doesn't matter if it's sound, it's an argument not evidence.>> <<@daddada2984 says : To God be the glory.>> <<@gorillaz_jbi says : There are two basic forms of cosmological arguments, and the easiest way to think of them might be the “vertical” and the “horizontal.” These names indicate the direction from which the causes come. The argument in the vertical form is that every created thing is being caused right now (imagine a timeline with an arrow pointing up from the universe to God). The horizontal version shows that creation had to have a cause in the beginning (imagine that same timeline, only with an arrow pointing backward to a beginning point in time). The horizontal cosmological argument, also called the kalam cosmological argument, is a little easier to understand because it does not require much philosophizing. The basic argument is that all things that have beginnings had to have causes. The universe had a beginning; therefore, the universe had a cause. That cause, being outside the whole universe, is God. Someone might say that some things are caused by other things, but this does not negate the argument, because those other things had to have causes, too, and this cannot go on forever. To illustrate the kalam, or the horizontal cosmological argument, let’s take a simple example: trees. All trees began to exist at some point (for they have not always existed). Each tree had its beginning in a seed (the “cause” of the tree). But every seed had its beginning (its “cause”) in another tree. There cannot be an infinite series of tree-seed-tree-seed, because no series is infinite. All series are finite (limited) by definition. There is no such thing as an infinite number, because even the number series is limited (although you can always add one more, you are always at a finite number). If there is an end, it is not infinite. All series have two endings, actually—one at the end and one at the beginning (try to imagine a one-ended stick!). If there were no first cause, then the chain of causes never would have started. Therefore, there is, at the beginning at least, a first cause—one that had no beginning. This first cause is God. The vertical form of cosmological argument is a bit more difficult to understand, but it is more powerful. Not only does the vertical argument show that God had to cause the “chain of causes” in the beginning, but it shows He must still be causing things to exist right now. Again, we begin by noting that things exist. Next, while we often tend to think of existence as a property that things sort of “own”—that once something is created, existence is just part of what it is—this is not the case. Consider the triangle. We can define a triangle as “the plane figure formed by connecting three points not in a straight line by straight line segments.” Notice what is not part of this definition: existence. This definition of a triangle would hold true even if no triangles existed at all. Therefore, a triangle’s nature—what it is—does not guarantee that one exists (like unicorns—we know what they are, but that does not make them exist). Because it is not part of a triangle’s nature to exist, triangles must be made to exist by something else that already exists (someone must draw a triangle). The triangle is thus caused by something else—which also must have a cause. This cannot go on forever (there are no infinite series). Therefore, something that does not need to be given existence must exist to give everything else existence. Now, apply this example to everything in the universe. Does any of it exist on its own? No. So, the universe had to have a first cause to get started, and it also needs something to give it existence right now. The only thing that would not have to be given existence is a thing that exists as its very nature. It is existence. This something would always exist, have no cause, have no beginning, have no limit, be outside of time, and be infinite. That something is God, the “I AM” of Exodus 3:14. “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge” (Psalm 19:1–2).>> <<@WhiteUnicorn82 says : Dude's been wearing safety glasses for a long time now. Must be living in a dodgy city.>> <<@jackcrow1204 says : No, they cannot be reconciled Christian must pick one>> <<@iveseen1 says : Il bet they all believe the scientific findings but refuse to admit it.>> <<@duartepaintinghandymanservices says : The bible doesn't give us a date, it literally says "in the beginning " that could have been a billion or trillion years ago plus that has no value, what matters is the gospel>> <<@Shadow01974 says : I personally reconcile the question of the age of the universe like this. (I get this from Frank himself) If the laws of physics haven't changed, the universe is 14.8 Billion years old. It's possible the laws of physics have changed, but we are making an assumption we can't prove. As for the age of Humanity, I believe humanity is 6,000 years old. I agree with Ken Hams timeline of humanity, I just disagree that humanity has been around as long as the universe has existed. I get that number looking at the genealogys recorded in scripture, and if you add the times together, you get 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus, and we know it's been roughly 2000 years from Jesus to now. TLDR, Universe 14.8 B Years Humanity 6,000 Years>> <<@keananfischer8113 says : Yes it can be reconciled. God created everything matured in the 6 days of creation. So who's to say that some of the elements and stuff that they date to many years could legitimately be interpreted to be that age because of how God has designed everything it needed to be that way. Elements in parts of a brand new car come from metals that are technically alot older than the car itself. But once the car is put together and made operational you say it's a new creation. Not some of it is new and some is extremely old.>> <<@MagnumLapua338 says : Either way God guides his creation. Doesn't matter if it is 60 thousand or 60 million God created the universe. Golden Ratio proves there was one intelligent being.>> <<@akoskormendi9711 says : No, as none of the premises can be shown to be true. We have never seen anything beginning to exist (from nothing), and we don't have evidence that the universe begin to exist (from nothing).>> <<@emf321 says : Red shift is not directly proportional a stars distance/speed so one can't say the universe is expanding, thus no big bang. Read about the astronomer, Halton Arp's work, its should be common knowledge for these folks. Recent observations by the Webb telescope falsify so many "big bang required theories", showing no "young" galaxies but all fully formed on the fringe of the universe. It supports a steady state universe.>> <<@davidlenett8808 says : God magic explains everything! 😛>> <<@williamrice3052 says : 6000 years since the last reboot - problem solved.>> <<@larzman651 says : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS and shalt believe in thy heart that GOD raised him from the dead thou shalt be Saved 🙌>> <<@mkurosh says : The 14 Billion year old and the 6000 year old Universe can easily be reconciled together. 6000 years ago God created a 14 B. year old Universe. The same way he created Adam and Eve as adults and not as Babies.>> <<@bigtuna1 says : Stephen Meyer reppin the Zags? No way!>>