<<@sgh77
says :
This was the plan all along, Colossians 1:15. The beginning of the creation of God was Christ. God fulfilled the role Himself, He created the position of the one who would "buy us back from sin" before He made anything. Elsewhere it says, "Christ was crucified before He even started laying the foundation of the earth."
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<<@meehh2439
says :
W
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<<@somethingtothinkabout167
says :
Satan said, “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” In hindsight, would we do it again knowing what we currently know? Would we give up that choice and avoid knowing first hand all these things?
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<<@williamrice3052
says :
Experiencing God's love, mercy, and grace is the 'knowledge of good' part
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<<@MaryJ0
says :
Wow! Thank you for this, never thought about it this way. How great and wonderful is God's love. I am so grateful.
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<<@noahkampamba2265
says :
With out sin there'd be no hell🤔 I don't know about you but I think that concept supercedes all explanation. Does this mean that other people's lives are just a means to an end for us to experience "Gods love." What of people who truly don't know what to believe because many religions equally make sense, and when the question of, "How do you know your religion is the real one?" What leg can you stand on that's outside that of beliefs you've acquired in life or at birth?
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<<@The-F.R.E.E.-J.
says :
I concur, with one caveat: God does not love us "in spite of" ourselves (for that would imply He holds His nose regarding who we are), He loves us, not because we are good & certainly not because we are evil rather, because HE is good. That is the Crux of all understanding, that God does everything, including loving us, out of HIS goodness - and nothing else.
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<<@robertramsey653
says :
I get where he is coming from, but I just cant help but feel heartbroken over the billions and billions of people that will suffer in hell for eternity over the fall. The Angel's that fell, knew what they were doing, and what the punishment would be, man wasnt given that knowledge on an individual basis. Believe me, I'm trying to be very careful here. I dont want to take anything from GOD, HE is the supreme KING of everything, and HE deserves all glory honor and praise, and anyone that would try to take that from him, is literally playing with fire.
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<<@mattr.1887
says :
Sounds like sin is a good thing.
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<<@oxynetz
says :
The fall also proves God wanted unfettered free-will...the choice of man to also choose to reject God Himself. Amazing Creator.
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<<@kevinjohnson1607
says :
Conceptual thought is lost to many.
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<<@jonrendell
says :
Maybe God didn’t know how to childproof the Garden; he was new at parenting, after all. But some safeguards seem like common sense. Why not warn Adam and Eve not to believe the snake? Or step in once the snake spoke to Eve? Or make the fruit of the tree look or smell unappealing? Or put the tree far away? Or put a wall around it? Or, if it’s not good for anything, not make the tree in the first place? God knew how to make effective safeguards, since he put cherubim with a flaming sword to keep Mankind out of the Garden after the fall. Then why not guard the tree to keep Adam and Eve away? Today, God would be liable under the “attractive nuisance doctrine,” which makes a landowner responsible for providing safeguards to prevent children from being injured by swimming pools, trampolines, or anything else they might find intriguing but not be able to understand the inherent danger.
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<<@robertlewis9132
says :
Yes, I'm going to beat you so can experience the good times when I'm not beating you. If i don't beat you how could you appreciate when I'm not beating you? And stay with me or else! If you dont love me back, I'll make sure you suffer forever!!! Because I love you. See, aren't I a great god/husband/owner?
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<<@unc1589
says :
Hmmm nice try but you’re gonna have to rethink… If there was no sin we would understand God in His fullness. There would be no need for forgiveness. Grace as we know it would be unnecessary. Mercy? For what? Which leads to the unconditional love…..misunderstanding. That’s an American concept and found nowhere in the Bible. Based on a erroneous understanding of John 3:16. God is extremely conditional! More like Deuteronomy 30:19. When God says “love your enemies” it’s not for the benefit of your enemies. But for you! His own. So you don’t err by vengeance. Let’s say God has some aspect of unconditional love. Great! But many go to hell. Reap what they sow. Are cursed with a curse (from God). Saying “but God loves me unconditionally” doesn’t get you much. That would mean God loved Sodom and Gomorrah too! Loved Lots wife. Loved Esau. Unconditionally! See where I’m going? I think that saying has deceived many.
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<<@prayerwarrior416
says :
God was like:"I'm gonna make a sanctuary for Adam and eve to live in but put satan (the most diabolical deceitful creature in all of existence) in the midst of it" 👍
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<<@mattslater2603
says :
This God doesn't sound omnipotent...
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<<@jenna2431
says :
"Sin" is just a way to explain when humans don't live up to being perfect. When our brains got large enough to think abstractly, we could be self-aware. And since we're only humans we sometimes mess up and have REGRET. Sin is a way to explain that regretfulness. And now since you have a judgement to make of rightness and wrongness, suddenly humans needed a superior being (since all judgement requires superiority) to make that standard. I choose rather to understand life as simply living.
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<<@frankcardano4142
says :
Bobby conman can sell cars. How many fools are taken in by this?
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<<@youtubeaccount5153
says :
So…sin is good. And we should sin more to experience love, forgiveness, mercy more? I think you missed the target on this one.
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<<@fasterthanjesus9695
says :
if you believe in the fall, your a bible literalist and should be careful what you say and do. specially what you do.
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<<@hansdemos6510
says :
What clear and obvious nonsense! First of all, does Mr. Conway not believe that an all-powerful God could make us experience all of his attributes to the fullest possible extent at any time he wished? Or perhaps Mr. Conway does not believe in an all-powerful God? Secondly, does Mr. Conway believe that the non-essential experience of some of God's attributes offered to humans by the introduction of sin into world outweighs that sin, and the evil, pain, and suffering bot in this world and the next that are the consequence of that sin? One would hope not!
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<<@Unconskep
says :
Every concept of sin comes from the Bible, Christianity offers to solve the problem of its own making, Christianity cuts your finger then offers you the bandage to heal it. There is no such thing as sin in the real world, Sin Is a psychological tool to gain leverage from the gullible.
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<<@muddyboots7753
says :
Agreed
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<<@TheWaltiss1971
says :
Like earthquakes, pestilence, floods, tsunamis and other acts of God...?
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<<@incredulouspasta3304
says :
Is it worth most of humanity going to hell, so that a handful of elect get to understand God's attribute of forgiveness? Seems like a bizarre tradeoff to me. If God was fine before the fall without experiential knowledge of forgiveness, I'm sure humanity would have been just fine without it too.
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<<@seymourwhitetail4945
says :
Also, God would have wiped us away once again and if we deny Christ we will have never existed. No matter what we do in terms of preservation, we can be erased forever from observation in the universe. Thank you Jesus Christ ❤️
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<<@joshuagraham2940
says :
Without God all crumbles in the end
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<<@Thyalwaysseek
says :
You first have to understand what sin is.
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<<@NOOBKILLER052
says :
The fall was planned. It was not a mistake
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<<@subrosa7708
says :
And one very crucial point more! When we confort evil here on the earth, we will KNOW it. In Heaven is no evil. So due to our mundane journey we are like vaccinated against evil when we go to Heaven. 😇
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<<@Acts-1915
says :
Thus, freewill
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<<@robbymounce5764
says :
Yeah! AND ALSO, Good Sir, before the fall, NOBODY KNEW THAT GOD IS A WARRIOR!
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<<@PROJECT.LUKE.ONE.75
says :
There are problems, mistakes, errors, and accidents, outside of sin, that still require forgiveness, love, grace and mercy.
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<<@joshuakohlmann9731
says :
How gracious and merciful God is, to give us all this evil and suffering so that we can appreciate how wonderful He is by comparison. That might not be what the speaker means, but that's what I'm hearing. So apologies if I'm misrepresenting him, but it sounds a seriously diseased viewpoint.
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<<@derekkreykes3757
says :
Amen
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<<@chloemartel9927
says :
Well said. Thank you God for your grace, mercy, and salvation!
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<<@Bomtombadi1
says :
So sin is a good thing? I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.
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<<@jamesw4250
says :
This is wrong on so many levels.
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<<@the_alchemy_method
says :
But by definition we wouldn’t have that desire or craving to know we are loved unconditionally without the fall because we would be living in a perfect world and be enjoying the relationship with God as he intended
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<<@thatomofolo452
says :
Yessssss Sir come on preach it 🥊🥊💯🤧
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<<@Lukandon
says :
Isn't believing and trusting in Christ for our salvation a condition?
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<<@small-timegarden
says :
Is there an email I can contact cross-examine, please?
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<<@DonteW
says :
Respectfully I disagree with this. I’d rather Him show us a slideshow or movie or something other than what I’m experiencing in this life. And also if sin never entered there wouldn’t be people going to hell
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<<@peterbassey9668
says :
Well said, Sir. I’ve always concluded that man’s creation was as a direct consequence of the angelic fall. When that happened, God’s word simply kicked that He God is able of these stones to raise up children. (Matthew 3:9) When a third of the angels spurned their place of praise in their rebellion, God formed man from dust (raising from stones sons) and the baton of praise and worship passed to man. Except that Satan knew better than to let everything play out smoothly, he introduced man to the rebellion also.
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