Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@CrossExamined says : FREE Download of sermon I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist!: 👉📱https://cutt.ly/cInI1eo>> <<@freetinkerer3878 says : Being a fundamentalist breaks your conscience. Disgusting stuff Frank, and said so calmly!>> <<@greganderson583 says : Hell is cruel and unusual punishment. I'm immensely glad that our founders (USA) did not found our Nation on the Bible and Christianity.>> <<@Lorac-wb7io says : I love Frank Turek on his intellectual level but I think that he must re considering his view . That’s helps more his apologetics. I think he don’t want to do his homework on this topic too deep.>> <<@TomasMartinez-v6g4t says : Where in Matthew 25 does it say eternal conscious torment? Does everlasting punishment automatically mean ECT? Can't eternal non existence, non-reversible be the same as eternal punishment?>> <<@AllWillBeWell_0100 says : If there were no second chances, Paul would have condemned all baptisms for the dead in 1 Corinthians 15:29.>> <<@leiapeison says : “ If hell is eternal conscious torment not torture by the way.” Oh screw you!!!!’ Being forced to exist in a state of unbearable, excruciating, inescapable agony forever with no hope of relief isn’t torturous, then the definition of torture is meaningless. Just own the cruelty of your position if you think it. Stop trying to soften it.>> <<@JoelEdwards-k4g says : He said an offense against an eternal being, well we offend Christ daily and he forgives us. Make it make sense>> <<@AllWillBeWell_0100 says : Matthew 25:46 -- "And these [goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous [sheep] into eternal life." The traditional argument is that the two "eternals" _(aionios_ in Greek) must refer to the same time period, that is, eternity. (This is in spite of _aionios_ being the adjective that corresponds to the noun _aion,_ which everybody agrees means "age.") However, there are no fewer than three plausible alternative ways to interpret the two _aionios_ in Matthew 25:46: ------------------ *Alternative Interpretation #1 -- **_aionios_** is temporary for both sheep and goats* (1) _Aionios_ almost always means "eonios" or "of an eon" or "of an age," just like it sounds. So in this particular verse, Jesus was only promising to the righteous "sheep" life in the age to come -- not eternal life. This isn't the first understatement in the Bible. For example, the phrase "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" understates the number of people God is God of. Also, in Isaiah 54:5, God is called "the God of the whole earth" (not the "whole universe"). (2) This interpretation doesn't threaten eternal life for believers, because many other verses, which don't use _aionios,_ do promise eternal life: (a) verses that include "immortality," "imperishable," "unfading" or "incorruptible:" 1 Cor. 9:25, 15:42, 51-55, 2 Tim. 1:10, 1 Pet. 1:3-4,23, 5:4 (b) other verses: Isa. 25:8, Hos. 13:14, Luke 20:36, John 6:37, Rom. 8:19-21, 38-39, 1 Cor. 15:26, 1 Thes. 4:17, Rev. 20:14, 21:4. (3) In Matt. 25:46, the _aionios_ punishment for the unrighteous "goats" is also "of an age" (Point 1). (4) Therefore, the traditional argument is invalid. Life is eternal for the righteous "sheep" (Point 2), while the Matt. 25:46 punishment for the unrighteous "goats" is temporary (Point 3). ------------------ *Alternative Interpretation #2 -- **_aionios_** is endless for sheep but temporary for goats* An adjective *can* means two different things in the same sentence. Examples: *the two **_aionios_** in Romans 16:25-26,* Habakkuk 3:6, "A huge man is climbing a huge mountain." "Jesus is referring to two completely different things -- life and punishment. Eternal life is divine life that comes from God. That divine life never ends. Eternal punishment is divine punishment from His hand. The duration of that divine punishment may certainly be temporary, lasting only until it accomplishes its purpose." -- George Sarris, _Heaven's Doors,_ 2017, pg. 140 "Augustine raised the argument that since _aionios_ in Mt. 25:46 referred to both life and punishment, it had to carry the same duration in both cases. However, he failed to consider that the duration of _aionios_ is determined by the subject to which it refers. For example, when _aionios_ referred to the duration of Jonah's entrapment in the fish, it was limited to three days. To a slave, _aionios_ referred to his life span. To the Aaronic priesthood, it referred to the [time] preceding the Melchizedek priesthood. To Solomon's temple, it referred to 400 years. To God it encompasses and transcends time altogether." -- Gerry Beauchemin, _Hope Beyond Hell,_ 2010, pg. 26 So _aionios_ doesn't make God eternal, but God makes _aionios_ eternal. ------------------ *Alternative Interpretation #3 -- **_aionios_** is indeterminate for both sheep and goats* Jesus meant in Matt. 25:46 what he said in John 17:3: "And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." There, "eternal" _(aionios)_ means "spiritual" or "divine," and has no specified time frame. ------------------ *Conclusion:* It's extremely likely that one of these three alternative interpretations is correct, especially considering the many verses teaching, implying or strongly suggesting eventual universal salvation: John 12:32, 17:2, Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36, 14:11 , *1 Cor. 15:22,28* , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2,17c, Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3.>> <<@DolphinAvatar says : Hell is eternal. The consequences of unholy actions are everlasting. The consequences don’t stop being in effect just because the person dies.>> <<@Godsambassador3 says : Romans 6:23– “the wages of sin is death”. Seems like the Scriptural definition of Death needs to be made. When Scripture defines death, it does so the same way we define darkness, cold, or silence — by absence, not by substance. • Darkness is the absence of light • Cold is the absence of heat • Silence is the absence of sound None of those are “real places” you enter. They describe what remains when a positive reality is removed. Scripture treats death the same way — and it starts at creation. “Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) Life is not innate. Life is what happens when dust + breath unite. “Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the breath will return to God who gave it.” (Ecclesiastes 12:7) Death is the reversal of that gift. The life-giving unity is undone. Scripture reinforces this repeatedly: “His breath goes forth, he returns to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” (Psalm 146:4) Thought does not relocate. It perishes when breath departs. “The dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into silence.” (Psalm 115:17) Not heaven. Not hell. Silence. From there, death is consistently defined by contrast with life, not as an alternative form of existence: “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life.” (Romans 6:23) “Whoever believes… shall not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16) “Whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life.” (John 3:36) “The soul who sins shall die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) These contrasts only work if death means the absence of life. If death included ongoing conscious existence, the language collapses: • “Perish” wouldn’t mean perish • “Not seeing life” wouldn’t mean the loss of life • Resurrection would be unnecessary Jesus confirms this when He defines hope, not as survival, but as restoration: “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies.” (John 11:25) Death is not life elsewhere. Resurrection is the remedy because death is real loss. Paul then brings the argument to its conclusion: “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.” (1 Corinthians 15:26) Death is not preserved. Death is abolished. And how is it abolished? “This mortal must put on immortality… then… ‘Death is swallowed up in victory.’” (1 Corinthians 15:53–54) Death disappears when mortality is replaced by immortality— just as darkness disappears when light returns. That’s why Scripture says immortality is given, not assumed: “Christ Jesus… abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” (2 Timothy 1:10) “To those who seek… immortality, eternal life.” (Romans 2:7) You don’t seek what you already possess. And the final state confirms it: “There will no longer be any death.” (Revelation 21:4) “Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:14) Death itself is removed—because death is a condition, not a realm. So Scripture is not under-determinative here. What is under-defined is the imported assumption that death must still include life. Death is not a place. Death is not a form of life. Death is the absence of life. And immortality — given through resurrection — is how death is finally defeated.>> <<@Godsambassador3 says : Death in Scripture Is Defined by Absence, Not by Substance When Scripture defines death, it does so the same way we define darkness, cold, or silence — by absence, not by substance. Darkness is the absence of light. Cold is the absence of heat. Silence is the absence of sound. None of these are places you enter. They describe what remains when a positive reality is removed. Scripture treats death the same way. And it begins at creation. Genesis tells us that man did not possess life inherently. Life happened only when God acted: “Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Life is not an immortal component embedded in humanity. Life is what happens when dust and divine breath unite. Ecclesiastes then defines death as the reversal of that gift: “Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the breath will return to God who gave it.” Death is not relocation. It is undoing. The life-giving unity is dissolved. Scripture reinforces this definition repeatedly. “His breath goes forth, he returns to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” Thought does not migrate elsewhere. It perishes when breath departs. “The dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into silence.” Not heaven. Not hell. Silence. From there, Scripture consistently defines death by contrast with life, never as an alternative mode of living. “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life.” “Whoever believes… shall not perish, but have eternal life.” “Whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life.” “The soul who sins shall die.” These contrasts only work if death means the absence of life. If death included ongoing conscious existence, the language collapses: “Perish” would not mean perish “Not seeing life” would not mean losing life Resurrection would be unnecessary Jesus confirms this when He defines hope — not as survival, but as restoration: “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies.” Death is real loss. Resurrection is required because something truly ends. Paul brings the argument to its conclusion: “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.” Death is not preserved. Death is abolished. And how is death abolished? “This mortal must put on immortality… then… ‘Death is swallowed up in victory.’” Death disappears when mortality is replaced by immortality — just as darkness disappears when light returns. That is why Scripture never treats immortality as assumed. “Christ Jesus… abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” “To those who seek… immortality, eternal life.” You do not seek what you already possess. The final state confirms it: “There will no longer be any death.” “Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.” Death itself is removed — because death is a condition, not a realm. The Pressure Point Exposed This leads to two radically different frameworks. Biblical frame — Life vs. Death Humans are mortal Life is a gift God gives “Perish” means perish Resurrection is the promise and the hope Traditional (Greek-influenced) frame — Heaven vs. Hell Souls are already immortal Death is redefined as relocation Resurrection gets sidelined Punishment must become unending pain, because death is no longer an option Here is the pressure point: Once someone assumes an immortal soul, real punishment cannot be death — so it must be reimagined as endless conscious suffering just to feel like justice. Otherwise judgment looks “too light.” But Scripture never shares that assumption. That is why John 3:16 says what it says: “…that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.” Two outcomes. Not heaven versus hell. Perish versus live. And John 3:36 seals it: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life.” Notice what is missing: No promise of eternal life in torment No hint of immortal souls suffering forever No redefinition of death as survival The contrast is explicit: life vs. not seeing life. That is why: John 3:16 gets distorted Romans 6:23 gets softened Resurrection gets treated like a bonus instead of the gospel itself Revelation’s victory gets blurred, because death is never actually destroyed The Conclusion Scripture Forces Eternal conscious torment is not demanded by Scripture. It is demanded by an immortal-soul premise. Remove that premise, and everything snaps back into place: Life is the reward. Death is the penalty. Resurrection is the gospel. Judgment is final — not theatrical. Death is not a place. Death is not a form of life. Death is the absence of life. And immortality — given through resurrection — is how death is finally defeated.>> <<@bedtimesd.1247 says : Could the Hell of Hell be the absence of being able to feel the Presence of God??? A person goes to Hell because they have Refused to Go With God! Nobody will be in Hell Accidently! The worst part of Hell maybe the to know that God is there and be unable to feel God's Presence?!>> <<@Skwimp_fan says : So can they change their mind in hell let’s just say that happens what would happen?>> <<@NothingNewUnderTheSun1066 says : Quote// I don't believe everybody gets to heaven // End quote. Psalm 115:3:- Our God is in heaven and does whatever he (wills/ḥāp̄ēṣ) Lexicon:- Strong's H2654 - ḥāp̄ēṣ :- Outline of Biblical Usage:- To delight in, take pleasure in, desire, be pleased with etc. 1 Tim 2:4:- who (wills/thelō) all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth. Lexicon:- Strong's G2309 - thelō :- Outline of Biblical Usage:- To will, have in mind, intend, to be resolved or determined, to purpose, to desire, to wish, to love, to like to do a thing, be fond of doing, to take delight in, have pleasure etc. The word thelō is in the verb form, which doesn’t lend itself to wishful thinking. It speaks of action and purpose (i.e., God intends to save ‘all’ men, or purposes for ‘all’ men to be saved). If it's true that God achieves ‘all’ he wills/desires, and God wills/desires ‘all’ to be saved, then the saving of ‘all’ is what must surely happen. Peace.>> <<@scottmac2032 says : Is Annihilationism true??? Or is it eternal, conscious torment??? Well, that’s an easy answer. Just ask Kirk Cameron. Who dat? Kirk Cameron holds the distinction of being the worlds leading authority on how to avoid the “barbecue”. Ya see, it comes down to this, if you believe Genesis 3:25, “there’s No Hell Below Us” and, you cross your fingers and toes, God is then obligated to honor your wish. Go now, and Sin all you want!!! Thank you Kirk Cameron! We believe in you.>> <<@wishyouthebest9222 says : The wages of sin is Florida>> <<@singer4god88 says : That last comment is totally wrong. In the parable that Jesus taught, the rich man said he “is in agony in these FLAMES” and asks Abraham to touch the tip of his tongue with his finger to cool it. This clearly teaches that hell has literal fire.>> <<@IsaacNussbaum says : To accept eternal conscious torment one has to either not know Genesis 3: 22-24 or know it and not give a d*mn what it says.>> <<@MetalSandman999 says : Coming at this as an annihilationist, the whole "torment not torture" canard makes this beyond convoluted. So much emphasis on Matthew 25:46 and eternal punishment, and the need for justice and punishment for sin against an infinite God...but it's not "torture", which Frank himself defines as being from without? What is any of this if not being from without? What is punishment if not something imposed from without? This whole softened, air conditioned model of eternal conscious hell - and softening and air conditioning are what we annihilationists are accused of all the time - is the epitome of trying to have your cake and eat it too. You want all of the tradition of eternal conscious hell (even though this version is historically novel) without all the bad stuff. You want to be able to speak of God's justice and righteous punishment against the wicked while hell still being what they want and locked form the inside. It's not even a serious view of hell to hold.>> <<@Godsambassador3 says : Human existence is a sacred unity of body and spirit—a living soul as depicted in scripture. (Genesis 2:7). Death is not the annihilation of the soul but the temporary separation of spirit from body, the ceasing of life until the resurrection. Ecclesiastes 12:7 affirms this: the body returns to dust, while the spirit returns to God, awaiting the day when He reunites them. The “soul” (Hebrew nephesh) is not an immortal entity distinct from the body but the life created by the union of God’s breath and the dust of the earth. Death fractures this unity, rendering the soul lifeless—a state scripture describes as “sleep”—until the return of Jesus. (1Corinthians 15:51) This understanding reframes the debate of judgment. The first death—the separation of spirit and body—is temporary, a disruption God promises to reverse through resurrection (John 5:28–29). The second death, however, is final: the irreversible destruction of the soul, in which both body and spirit are consumed in the “lake of fire” (Revelation 20:14–15). Jesus makes the distinction clear: humans can “kill the body but cannot kill the soul,” but God alone can “destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28). For the wicked, the second death is eternal termination—a complete elimination of existence. But for believers, it has no power (Revelation 20:6), for they share in Christ’s victory over death itself. John 3:16 underscores the contrast: “eternal life” versus “perishing.” To “perish” (apollymi) means to be utterly destroyed—like a car beyond repair or paper reduced to ash. Eternal life, by contrast, is the unending union of redeemed spirit and resurrected body—a restored soul dwelling in God’s presence. Nowhere does scripture assign immortality to the wicked; only the redeemed are “clothed with immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:53–54). The lost face annihilation, not perpetual suffering, while the redeemed live secure, for the second death cannot touch them. This view aligns with the biblical imagery of fire. Sodom’s destruction by “eternal fire” (Jude 1:7) left no conscious sufferers, only ashes. Likewise, the “eternal punishment” of Matthew 25:46 refers not to unending pain but to an irreversible outcome. A judge’s sentence of “life imprisonment” is eternal in effect, not duration; so too the second death permanently seals the loss of life. Yet the faithful remain untouched by this final judgment, preserved in the life Christ gives. Eternal conscious torment—often inferred from Revelation’s symbolic imagery (e.g., “the smoke rises forever” in 14:11)—contradicts the broader witness of Scripture. Smoke marks the aftermath of judgment, not ongoing suffering, just as a burned city’s smoke lingers as a reminder of its end. God, who is “not willing that any should perish” (2 Peter 3:9), would not immortalize rebellion in endless agony. His justice demands finality, not cruelty. For His people, this finality holds no fear, for the second death has no dominion over them. The gospel, then, offers two destinies: a resurrected soul restored to eternal life or a soul extinguished in the second death. (John3:16) The first death is a temporary separation; the second is a permanent end. Eternal life is not mere survival but communion with God—the reunion of spirit and body in glorious incorruption. To perish is to cease, forever, as a living soul. The stakes are not endless pain versus endless joy but existence versus nonexistence. Christ’s resurrection assures that death’s temporary separation will give way to either eternal life or eternal death. And to those who believe, the promise remains firm: the second death has no power. But the choice is yours: Choose life.>> <<@kalvinlewis says : There are only women and children in heaven.>> <<@WolfRose-777 says : If Christ took our sin upon himself to take our punishment for us, both eternal hell, and annihilation are inherently false, purely on the basis of the Resurrection itself.>> <<@JustBsimple says : That was an unscholarly conversation, to say the least. Embarrassing. Please look at The Orthodox Universalist and/or The Total Victory of Christ, for starters (there are many more) Hell is meant for corrective discipline, so yes, there is grave danger in not repenting.. but hell is not eternal conscious torment (ETC), a ridiculous idea! Get out of the echo chamber of bad theology and learn the truth about what hell is, and isn’t. God bless and may you learn His true Fatherly character and ways .. even to the rebellious, much less the ignorant. Every Knee Will Bow and Praise His Holy Name!>> <<@PooleSilly says : I am grateful to say that I am a born again Christian and have been since I was 19.......yes indeed i enjoy listening to this dear man of God Dr. Frank Turek and I much pray God's peace and comfort on him and his family each and everyday and that God uses him and his ministry mightily as he exposes the truth and sheds light on Atheism!!!! may God use Dr. Turek in a mighty way to much glorify and lift high the king of kings and the lord of lords!!!!!! to God Be All The Glory!!!!! Great Things He Hath Done!!!!!! and all hail king Jesus!!!!! the king of kings and the lord of lords!!!!!! however folks these days are getting darker and Christ is coming soon and if you don’t know Christ as your savior then it burdens my soul to think that you are headed for a terrible place called Hell where the Bible says the fire is never quenched and the worm dies not! Folks you are not promised tomorrow! If you want to know how to be saved from this horrible reality then please by all means don’t hesitate to comment right back so I can lead you to the savior! 2 Corinthians 6:2 clearly states “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation!” And Hebrews 3:15 clearly states, “Today if you hear his voice don’t harden your hearts! it is not me but the Holy Spirit that I pray reveals to you the truth of his precious gospel......John 3:16 says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes on him will not perish but have everlasting life! V 17 says then V 18 says whoever believes on the son is not condemned but whoever does not believe on the son is condemned already because he has not believed on the son whom God has sent! Also Acts 16:30-31 what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house I am not threatening anyone but just warning them what will happen if they reject this precious gift of eternal life! Christ died a horrible criminals death! He was beaten brutally mocked spit upon and endured countless hours of torture pain for all of our sins! Ppl go to hell because they reject that pardon for their sins! And Jesus is saying to them in Matthew 25:41 depart from me you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels! Hell was only prepared for Satan and his angels! It is not God who threatens anyone it is the craziness of rejecting the free pardon of salvation! It’s like if you’re in court you’ve committed a crime say you murdered someone! Now if you say to that Judge hey I know I’ve done a terrible thing of murdering that person but I hear you’re a good judge and so I know you’ll be fair to me...... the judge is going to reply well yes you’re right about one thing I am a good judge and because I’m a good judge I’m going to see to it that you’re punished and that justice is served! Well then all of a sudden someone you don’t even know comes forward and says you know what I know he’s committed the crime he’s committed and he deserves to go to jail but I really don’t want to see him go to prison so I’ll just go to prison for him so he can go free! So if you accepted that offer you’d be free to leave the courtroom but if you didn’t well you’d be crazy and go to prison yourself! Well that’s exactly how it was 2,000 years ago! He is God in human flesh and he came to this earth lived a perfect sinless life and even though he knew that we had sinned and because of our sins deserved to die miserably but he said no I don’t want to see them suffer so I will go and take their punishment for them! Even though he did absolutely nothing wrong still he chose to take the punishment for our sins so we can be set free from the power bondages and consequences of our disobedience to God! Romans 5:8 says For God commends his love toward us that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us! 1 John 2:2 says he was made to be the propitiation for our sins! And not just for our sins but the sins of the whole world! 2 Corinthians 5:21 He who knew no sin became Sin for us that we would be made his righteousness! The truth is if you had to get to Heaven by your own effort then you cannot do it! Because Romans 3:10 says there is not one that does good! No Not One! Romans 3:23 says For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God! Romans 6:23 says For the wages of sin is death! But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord! But the good news is Romans 10:9 If we confess with our mouth and believes in our hearts that Christ died for our sins then was raised from the dead we will be saved! V 10 For it’s with the heart we believe and it’s with the mouth confession is made unto salvation! God gave us 10 commandments to follow and we’ve broken every one of them! And because God is a good God he cannot allow our disobedience to him to go unpunished! Well then like I just mentioned above his son Jesus stepped forward and said no I don’t want to see them punished so I will take their punishment for them! And also like I said he died a terrible substitute criminal’s death for us on a cross so now all we have to do is accept that payment for our sins and we can escape the terrible wrath of God that is to fall on them who do not accept this atonement that was sacrificed for our sins! Praise the lord Romans 10:13 says Whoever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved! And 1 Peter 1:4 you’re an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you! Christ clearly said in John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through me! Acts 4:12 clearly states that there is no other name given unto Heaven or earth by which we must be saved as there is salvation in no other! Jesus clearly states that there is clearly only one way to Salvation and it’s him that’s it! There is no other way! God Bless everyone who reads!>> <<@Mike-qt7jp says : Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence, nor does mean to rehabilitate. There are NO verses that say, the Lake of Fire is annihilation or a place of rehabilitation.>> <<@NickTitus says : Hell is not eternal Ezekiel 18:20, Romans 6:23, John 3:16>> <<@imnewtothistuff says : Temporary...>> <<@colinpeacock7648 says : Hell is real and it's a place and it's eternal Jesus himself a Hell preacher said that Please read the Bible properly and deeply and dont misrepresent or misinterpret God's word>> <<@2777dave says : And they rub their hands in glee thinking about the eternal suffering of those not holding their narrow minded and immoral view of the afterlife. You, sirs, are disgusting!>> <<@davesemans6048 says : Let me first say, you guys clearly love the Lord. Bravo. Addressing Matt 25:46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life". "Aionios" is the greek word for eternal. It modifies a noun not a verb. "punishing" (IE: torment) is a verb. Eternal destruction is eternal "capital" punishment (noun). Matt 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell". If souls are inherantly eternal (Platonic philosophy NOT Biblical) they are NEVER destroyed. No where in the Bible are the wicked ever referred to as eternal, not once. Matt 25:46 and 10:28 are in agreement. The destruction of the wicked is horrifying and final. Regarding the philosophical argument "offense against an infinite God deserves an infinite punishment" doesn't come from the Bible. Hell being a "sad" eternal place is not Biblical. If you think it is please cite scripture and tell me how it doesn't contradict Matt 10:28 and Malachi 4:3 "Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty." These ashes don't seem to be "tormented" or "sad" or living forever. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." You cannot say the wages of sin is death, define death as eternal conscious torment and then say that Christ bore death defined as eternal conscious torment on our behalf. Christ is not being eternally consciously tormented on our behalf. He is risen from the dead. I love you guys and appreciate your zeal for our savior and God's Word. However I believe pointing to scripture and proper exegesis demonstrates that on this topic you are mistaken. God bless you brothers.>> <<@calvinmasters6159 says : The fire and brimstone are metaphors. How can there be physical combustion in a spiritual realm? Also, rationalizing the nature of hell is asking the wrong question. Are we searching for ways to make it tolerable rather than just avoiding it?>> <<@biblebill6206 says : It says the wicked will be ashes under the feet of the righteous that shows you do "not" keep burning over and over that came from Dante's inferno not the bible ridiculous to believe God will make any human burn forever Satan , beast, false prophet, yes>> <<@Originaldoctrine says : If Christ paid the full price for the sins of mankind and there was an end to his suffering, how will their not be an end to suffering for sinners who will have to suffer because of their sins?>> <<@timothym2241 says : Why can’t eternal punishment be annihilation? Why does Turek say eternal punishment “makes sense”? How does that make any more sense than a second death that is eternal? Why is he using personal reason to figure out what is stated? He is introducing personal bias into his interpretation.>> <<@Rickie-x2 says : You're sick thinking that the only just recompense for sinning against a holy God is eternal conscious torments. Thank God that you aren't God!!!! God will give every man according to his works, not infinitely more than what evil done and not less, but equal to.>> <<@hughsmyth9527 says : Unsaved don't have immortal souls so how can they suffer in hell forever, only God has immortality, saved get immortality at Resurrection. Romans 2 v 7 talks about seeking immortality so unsaved need to become Christians to get immortality.>> <<@TheBiggestJesus says : The effect of the judging is aionios (limited in duration; Heb 6:2), not "eternal." Eternal things have no beginning or end.>> <<@larryhammer5926 says : Almost all the souls that were pulled down to Hell were returned to Heaven! Infinities of new angels were created! These new angels defeated all the demons! First the new angels defeated all the demons outside of Hell! Then the new angels entered Hell & defeated all the demons in Hell! After that the angels destroyed Hell! Blue Heavens now exist where Hell used to be! There are angels around everyone! Sincerely the senior foundation creator! I am not Larry!>> <<@TheBibleSays says : Please read these verses which show the unsaved will be destroyed, they’ll perish and no longer “be.” Then I’ll explain where the eternal torment in hell doctrine came from. ■ “For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.” (Psalm 37:10) ■ “When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever” (Psalms 92:7) ■ “As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation” (Proverbs 10:25). ■ “Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth, That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds; Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?” (Job 20:4-7). ■ “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?” (Ezekiel 18:23) ■ “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23) ■ “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) ■ "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) There’s nothing in those verses about eternal life in torment. So where did the eternal torment in hell idea come from? “Hell” was written into most (but not all!) Bible translations by churchmen who had bought into the pagan immortal soul doctrine. “Hell” was the necessary explanation for *_where_* the unsaved immortal soul would spend eternity. Translators wrote “hell” into the New Testament by mistranslating three Greek words. For example: ■ “And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire” (Mark 9:47, KJV) “Hell” in that verse is from the Greek word γεέννῃ or “gehenna” —the dump outside Jerusalem. The trash and garbage thrown there was sure to be destroyed by the constant fire —“hell fire”— and worms or maggots in the dump. Jesus was only saying that just as trash thrown into the dump was sure to be destroyed, the wicked would surely be destroyed. They would perish and never again “be” as we read earlier. Jesus used the same gehenna-dump imagery in the verse below, clearly showing body and soul can be destroyed: ■ “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28) “Hold on a second,” many will ask. “How can an immortal soul be destroyed?” Such a question reveals how pervasive the pagan Greek “immortal soul” doctrine has become. Pagan Greeks believed we have an immortal soul that floats out of the body at death and continues to live —somewhere— forever. Here’s Plato: _“Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!”_ (Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC) “Soul” in the Bible only refers to the self, a person, a living being —not to some sort of immortal component. Examples: ■ “And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls.” (Acts 27:37) ■ “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) ■ “The soul that sinneth, it shall die . . .” (Ezekiel 18:20) So, what happens to the unsaved? After resurrection and judgment they die again. It’s called “the second death” in Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14 and 21:8. After the second death, they remain dead forever. There is no life, no consciousness and no hope of resurrection. It’s the end of that person. That’s what is means to perish (re: John 3:16). The second death is permanent, finished destruction —everlasting, like the execution of a criminal. It is not perpetual punishing. The second death is the everlasting punishment Jesus spoke of: ■ “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:46) Salvation is not about “where you’ll spend eternity.” That’s a false narrative based on the immortal soul doctrine. Truth is: you’ll perish —dead forever— unless you receive the gift of eternal life. The immortal soul idea has roots in Satan’s original lie: ■ “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die” (Genesis 3:4) *_Maybe you’ll find some reassurance in this: even Satan will be destroyed,_* “and never shalt thou be any more”: ■ “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and *never shalt thou be any more.”* (Ezekiel 28:13-19) “Wait,” you may be asking, “how can a spirit being like Satan die?” Answer: by being made mortal first, just as the Word —Jesus— was made mortal (John 1:1-14) and died. For Jesus, there was a resurrection. For Satan, there will be no resurrection.>> <<@Hope4All0153 says : Once upon a time, Christian views about the ultimate fate of the unrighteous made sense. The prevailing view before about 500 A.D. was that hell (the lake of fire, actually) not only punished but also purified the unrighteous. It was temporary -- each person's finite punishment would fit their finite crimes (sins). (The Greek speaking early church fathers knew that _aionios,_ the Greek word that is mistranslated as "eternal" in most English Bibles, didn't mean "eternal.") Once a person's punishment and purification were complete, he or she would join other saved people in God's glorious kingdom described in Revelation 21-22. Everyone would eventually make it there and be blessed, with heavenly rewards varying by person, based on the lives they led. For supporting verses & quotes, see my two replies. This belief is known today as "universal salvation," or "Christian universalism." I hope you'll check it out.>> <<@egoillusion5734 says : Western platonic philosophical theology creates chaos in human essence learn Hebrew Yeshua is not American he is a Jewish asian Guru>> <<@RickVermeulen-ll5qe says : What BS. Onley the rightous recieve eternal life. So eternal tourment is falsh. Because to be in eternal tourment ( the unsaved, unrightous) you must have eternal life. But eternal life is not granted to the unsaved>> <<@KingDavid071 says : It would be just to have us tortured eternally, but our God is so merciful that I think He will say 'okay, enough, annihialation'. As Jesus said fear the one who can DESTROY both body and soul in hell: God>> <<@followeroftheway1971 says : The consequences are eternal. There is a reason why Christ calls it the Second Death. Death Is the cessation of life, therefore, the second death is the cessation of existence.>> <<@jardine2392 says : The wages of sin is death We have passed from death to life Jesus took our punishment on the cross and died for us (that was our punishment!) For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whoever believes in him should not PERISH but have everlasting life Sin when it is fully grown brings forth death The soul who sins shall die (Ezekiel 18) Fear not man who can destroy the body, but fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell I hate when people say they believe in ECT because that's what the Bible bible teaches and they believe the Bible. Matthew 25 (the proof text here) simply says that hell is an eternal fire but nowhere in the bible does it say that if you go to hell, it will be forever (unless you're Satan and his minions) I encourage you guys to read the Bible for what it says and not just through the default view, it really shocked me to realize that our current concept of hell is entirely umbilical>> <<@brucelee2881 says : Hell is not eternal punishment, the second death means your dead forever. A good channel is unlearn the lies he gives a scripture based explanation on this topic>> <<@Kosta5358 says : Gis is pure love pure love dont put someone on etternal hell its not about justice its about love>> <<@Kosta5358 says : Eternal hell makes no sense hell is only untill soul gets clean .in the end all souls will be with god cause they are one with him>> <<@lisadisme says : Greek scholar?>>