Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@kacejohnson4099 says : Yet somehow we aren't predestined ;D>> <<@davidhill9993 says : If you could lose your Salvation, then we would lose it everyday.>> <<@abbyboeke662 says : This kid makes a great point which the pastor never addresses: God would have to violate our free will, if we cannot lose our salvation. In other words, when somebody is truly saved, they are not free anymore to change their mind and reject God. Ridiculous.>> <<@Eccl9.7 says : Sadly, there are most issues with “once saved, always saved” that those who believe it gloss over.>> <<@kain4645 says : Amen!>> <<@MankindRestored says : For anyone who wants to know the truth about this, study standing, stumbling, and falling in the NT. Paul says repeatedly that we only stand by faith. Specifically in Galatians he says that faith is something that can be fallen away from and Christ can become ineffective for us putting us in a "fallen" state (a state of rejection before God). He also says in Romans 11 not to be arrogant about being grafted into the Covenant, but terrified, because we only stand by faith and can be cut off through unbelief just as Israel was. Hebrews is all about Christians who were being tempted to forsake their confession of redemption through Christ to stop their suffering and persecution. This is why the author makes such a case in the beginning for Christ being perfected through suffering and so if it was the path for Him as the founder ("author") of our faith, it is also the path for us. Then he warns them not to be godless like Esau who rejected his inheritance (we inherit eternal life and the new heavens and earth, aka "the land"). He could not get it back after he gave it up though he wept bitterly over it.>> <<@TammysWade says : But what if your a Christian but you willingly disobey God? What then? Do you still go to Heaven, even though there's unconfessed sin in your life that you refuse to repent of? Can you answer that, not for me but for someone I know personally?>> <<@Andrewbarker123 says : Here’s what I would say if you believe Jesus is Lord that means you believe it has full dictation so if you’re not obedient to Jesus, it’s safe to say Jesus has dictation where you will end up just because we take scripture out of context and it says that no one can snatch you out of the father’s hands does it mean that you can’t willingly choose it if I accept Christ in my heart and then tomorrow I decided to just keep sleeping with women my whole life or I’m living in sexual immorality. I’m not listening to the Holy Spirit. I’m not going by his convictions. I’m Harding my heart towards God. and yes, we can do this. There’s a clear list of people in the end that will not make it. ““But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭8‬ ‭NLT‬‬ And I know what you’re all say next I’ll take the scripture out of context and say well we are believers that counts, but where is your action behind it if you say, Jesus is Lord and you’re practicing any of those things Jesus calls that sin and you’re not living in freedom from sin, my friend>> <<@grantfreeman-y1o says : Why preach Johns Mosaic LAW gospel, when we are NOT under law, but under GRACE?: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." - Galatians 2:21 KJV You need to understand how to 2 timothy 2:15 kjv Grace and peace>> <<@EugeneEmmaKatalemwa says : To one who knows English, is it difficult to see that the word eternal is not qualifying the verb to "have" but is qualifying the life one will have? Why twist to fit your opinion?>> <<@crimsonviper1138 says : If you are truly born again, you are born as a child of God. God loves us instantly as we deeply love our own children IMMEDIATELY when they enter our lives, and are committed to them no matter what decisions they make. That is why we Christians uniquely call God our FATHER.>> <<@DavidCurtis-u7e says : People are talking about they are saved , but no one is talking about keeping God's Commandments , Exodus 20...>> <<@jacobt2020 says : Those who have the indelible mark of the Holy Spirit can still end up eternally separated. He said once you believe you are saved, what about when you stop believing? I think your “yes” to be with God is made even more beautiful when you have the ability to say “no” Prevenient Grace seems more beautiful than the total sovereignty teaching.>> <<@Nevar2163 says : Yes however the important thing Paul talks about in Galatians 6 is that the important thing is when we accept Christ are we being transformed into a new creation into Chris likeness. we can not keep on sinning and stay in our old sinful ways we need transformation in our hearts and character.>> <<@NSWvet83 says : Its obvious that as long as you still have faith, you're saved. Otherwise you lose it>> <<@Truthaholic1 says : If you have eternal life when you believe, whet if you stop believing>> <<@Capt_Caveman_777 says : once saved always saved analysis - You can only be converted by God, and you are not saved until you're converted, when you hear a hard saying (John 6) unconverted you may turn away being unsaved but once you have been converted strengthen your brother.>> <<@jeremiahneusbaum5892 says : Here's my study and research on salvation through God's Word and ministry school I did a while ago. -- PART 1 -- "Once Saved Always Saved" True or False? FALSE! Can you lose your Salvation? YES! "Once Saved Always Saved" is unscriptural and ridiculous. It's a false doctrine to live by. Heb 10:28-30; shows the people under the Old Testament who did not abide by the law and were dealt with for their unfaithfulness. Heb 10:38-39 38 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." 39 "But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." Those who continue in the way of faith will receive salvation and those who draw back instead of continuing in their faithfulness do so "unto perdition" - "Perdition" means "Perishing." The faithful receive SALVATION; the unfaithful PERISH. -- PART 2 -- "Once Saved Always Save" 2 Pet 2:20-22 20 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." 21 "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them." 22 "But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." People once cleansed from sin who return to it are pointed out by God's word to a washed sow, returning to the mud and to a dog going back to feed on what it formerly rejected. This is speaking of people who have learned about Christ and how to be SAVED, but then rejected the truth and returned to their sin. These people are worse off than before because they have rejected the only way out of sin and the only way of SALVATION! Look at John 15:4-6 4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch can not bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me." 5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." 6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." That doesn't sound like "Once Saved Always Saved." We have seen from previous passages that the teaching of "Once Saved Always Save" is unscriptural doctrine. Jesus expects His followers to be true to Him. He demands that they "abide in Him" as He does the sinner to accept Him. If the sinner can not be SAVED without accepting Christ, neither can the Christian be SAVED without living faith in Jesus Christ, who do not serve Him. God wants all of us to be saved, but He doesn't force us into becoming Christians. God tells us what to do, but He doesn't force us to do it. He tells us what not to do but doesn't keep us from doing it. He wants us to do it to be SAVED, but if we disregard not to be Christians, then we will be judged in the end to the will of God. God commands and demands faithfulness of His people. No one will be SAVED who does not come to Christ for SALVATION, and no one will have that SALVATION unless they abide in Christ in an unwavering manner. 1 Cor 15:58 "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord.">> <<@michaelknowles9069 says : Hebrews says be aware less any of you becomes a deceitful heart of unbelief. That was talking to SAVED Christians and it was referencing the people who left Egypt so that scripture completely contradicts what this guy says>> <<@DougDimmadome-s3d says : It's biblically accurate that you can lose salvation. Theres multiple scriptures thay point to this. OSAS is a dangerous doctrine that no early Christians believed>> <<@sda1819 says : Well by your same logic mr christian philosopher, regarding "losing eternal life." Well THEN how can one GAIN eternal life if it's already ETERNAL?! That logic fails miserably!! You try to assert that one can't lose it because it's eternal. But by that very same logic, how can one gain it since it's already eternal? That is an incoherent argument. Once saved always is a lie from the pit of hell! Do NOT be deceived>> <<@sda1819 says : Once saved always saved is a LIE from the pit of hell! Do NOT be deceived!>> <<@NgqabuthoLloydMafu says : Sometimes we read a verse so literally and don't think i e "he who believes has passed from death unto life" but there's a verse that says "even the devils believe" l mean we know the devils won't have eternal life with God. I mean have you never seen Christians who once believed who stop becoming Christians even though they once believed some might say they were never truly Christians but that's judgemental how do you know for certain they never believe considering they once confessed the Lord jesus at one point>> <<@screenwriterdan says : Loving reminder to READ what the Bible says... “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven… I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me’” Matthew, 7, 21–23 “Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away… If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch.” John, 15, 1–6 “Do not be arrogant, but fear… otherwise you too will be cut off.” Romans, 11, 20–22 “If, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled… the last state has become worse for them.” 2 Peter, 2, 20–21>> <<@keith-jo6wg says : But if u keep Willfull sining u Dont know the father & like u said b4 & it dosent bother u then ur Not saved>> <<@tonyornelas9374 says : Matthew 7:14 For narrow is the door and hard the road to life, and only a small number make discovery of it. Once saved always saved is dangerous. To say "I Believe" is not enough. You must constantly believe and obey. Even the demons believe.>> <<@user-hd8dv5dx2g says : Yes>> <<@andrewbaverstock2672 says : If you could lose your salvation, then it raises the obvious question of how could you find it again. The issue with this is that Jesus died once and for all so to regain your salvation He would have to die all over again. And again. And so on.>> <<@13kimosabi13 says : Terrible take ! You can’t lose your salvation because no one today is saved. Can’t lose what you don’t have.>> <<@dagwould says : The church's teaching on salvation has been neutered by the 'mid 19th C revivalists with their march down the aisle 'altar' (Christians don't have altars) call. To be saved is to be regenerated, as Frank said, to be sealed by the HS; that is, indelibly marked as God's own. It is not a glib verbal affirmation we make to believe and repent. It is life-transforming and at the 'cosmic' level.>> <<@annecampbell6034 says : He is deceived. The blood is not a covering for sin, it is the redemptive power to free us from the bondage of sin. “And you will call his name Jesus, for he shall save His people from their sins”,>> <<@dan_m7774 says : OSAS is of Satan>> <<@RealBiblicalLens says : There is so many different passages on this but look at Paul's last words.... "For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness..." (2 Timothy 4:6–8). The key is the verb tense used for "believes" (πιστεύων, pisteuōn) in John's Gospel. In passages like John 3:16, 3:36, 5:24, and 6:47, the word is a present active participle — which in Greek typically conveys continuous, ongoing action, not a completed one-time act. Just as in any relationship, its something you will always work on. And you can lose a relationship. Hebrews talks about being enlightened and tasting the Holy Spirit but falling away. John also talks about withered branches that are cut off. Producing Fruit literally would never have mattered and therefore the parable of the talents or parable of the Sower wouldn't even matter. Half the new testament really wouldn't matter if we can live whatever way we want. The whole "well they were never truly saved to begin with" is directly contradicting what Jesus implied with the parable of the Sower and Hebrews Hebrews 6:4 and 10:26. OSAS just isn't it.>> <<@Jere0101 says : We can say we believe and not truly believe. You can say that you don't believe in something yet believe in your heart. (Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? - Matthew 7:22). But your actions always show your true faith. "By their fruit you will know them" Matthew 7:16.>> <<@Lifelessonslife says : Very clear.>> <<@Almosthomeforever says : John 15:6>> <<@michaeljordan5972 says : Bible says faith without works is dead>> <<@michaeljordan5972 says : I know people don't like reading the Bible they don't like what it says apparently I read that one part where it says no one can pluck you from his hands and turn it into once saved always saved it's true no one can take you from his hands but that doesn't mean you can't walk away out of his hands and it does happen>> <<@lordthunderchicken4636 says : The faith is our part the salvation is His part. If we had to hold onto our salvation we would never be able to. Thats why its His part not ours.>> <<@songers_gaming says : There's a reason the topic is debated. There are many verses that point to both sides of the argument. Personally, I believe a person can lose salvation. Not by individual acts of sin(unless taking the mark of the beast) but by a willful turning of the heart. Biblical example would be King Solomon. Specifically 1 Kings 11 being the moment he does. Now, Essclesiastes is written at the end of his life. Seems to be a repentant heart here. So he does find his way again. OSAS will claim he was always saved. But this means you can worship demons knowingly and still be saved as per 1 Kings 11.>> <<@starbond2123 says : If a believer who is already saved and fall away into untrepentence living a totally disobedience life will he still go to heaven because of grace,,?>> <<@LilyFlowers-c3x1z says : Parable of the prodigal son, proof that once you're saved, you're always saved.>> <<@MT-tx2xd says : The Book of Mormon will bring you closer to Christ than any other book>> <<@SteveMorgan-l4k says : You believe once saved always saved, go read the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation and see if Jesus agrees with you. Now go read Galatians chapter 5 and see if Jesus agrees with you>> <<@SteveMorgan-l4k says : There's a huge difference between making mistakes and living in sin. For example you're driving along all seems well but suddenly someone pulls right out in front of you and you narrowly miss hitting them and out of your mouth comes one of those words you thought you would never say again, but it happened. You feel awful. What do you do? If you confess that sin, God is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. WILLFUL SIN is entirely different. You're shacking up , you lie when it's convenient, You commit adultery, fornication, homosexuality, partying and getting half drunk or wasted. You're still cussing, etc. etc. The pastor told you once saved always saved you can't lose your salvation so why not enjoy your sin ,you have your ticket to heaven. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT FAKE PASTOR LIED TO YOU AND HIMSELF AND BOTH OF YOU WILL GO TO HELL WHEN YOU DIE AND END UP IN THE LAKE OF FIRE BURNING CONTINUALLY FOREVER WITHOUT END. So you have your ticket to heaven, now go live your life the way you want and when you die just hand God your ticket. NO A MILLION TIMES NO. many love that once saved always saved satanic doctrine because they don't want to give up their sin.>> <<@chaz4471 says : Yay!!! No I can lie, steal, have sex outside of marriage, drink and get drunk, do drugs and go to heaven!!! A free ticket! Thanks!>> <<@Myjesus-1 says : Sinning Christians are lukewarm Christians. Jesus said that no lukewarm Christian will be allowed in the kingdom of God.>> <<@st.johntheapostle says : Once saved always saved is a man made novelty created in the 16th century. It's neither biblical nor historical Christianity. 🙏🏽>> <<@The_MillenniumMan says : Jesus warns about people falling away from the faith and those who remain in church but are fruitless.>> <<@alextoukam5425 says : It is both, as they complement each other. 1) The saved ones are His Chosen Ones since the foundation of the earth for the Lamb was already slain before creation. Jesus said that we didn't choose Him but He chose us, He loved us First. All that the Father have given Him are secure in His hands and He shall loose none of them. That is why He circumcised our hearts to be able to accept Him and He sealed us by His Holy Spirit to guarantee our salvation. The very REPUTATION of God is on the line as SAVIOR. If Jesus fails to guard His sheep as the Great Shepherd then He would have failed the Father and thus be disqualified as the Messiah. Which is what the story of Moses pleading with God is all about by saying that if He destroyed His people because of the golden calve incident, the nations will say that He had the power to deliver them from Egypt (Sin) but could not keep them safe by bringing them into the promised Land. As fallen humans we could never turn and come to God. Thus the faith of humanity was doomed and without hope for redemption. That is why He had to come down from His throne to save us. 2) Now because we are His, He takes care of keeping us saved by His Holy Spirit who helps us in all our weaknesses; strengthens us to walk in His ways; disciplines us; and leads us in all Truth. Thus, it only by the grace and power of God that we endure to the end. This is why the TRULY saved ones are eternally grateful to Jesus by doing the following: -Showing their appreciation by being HUMBLE about their salvation for it stands on the merit of Jesus alone. (The testimony of Jesus) -Showing their love for God and man by keeping His commandments by their ACTIONS or FRUITS. (The Law of Love) -They pray for their enemies, families and brothers in Christ for them to experience the very mercy of God that Jesus extended to them also. Another bonus nugget: God saved us because of Himself and not because we chose Him or how good we are. He made us in His image and thus by redeeming man, God ultimately redeemed His own image and reputation because He cannot hate His own self. In a nutshell, the Chosen Ones are saved, sanctified and glorified by God Himself for them to qualify as Sons and Daughters of God. May the love and peace of Jesus abide in you all.>>