Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@Disgu1sed says : 1:29:43 I love Peterson don't get me wrong, but this really ticked me off. Her own subjective circumstance and a misunderstanding of male innate function is leading her to believe that it's a marker of competence that is leading men to question a females potential lack of reciprocal monetary contribution, when in reality this couldn't be further from the truth. Peterson did push back on this but in an almost comically weak manner which led her off the hook entirely. This is one of those axioms that determine ones reality and philosophy, and to let her have her way in such a misrepresented statement is a very frustrating outcome.>> <<@benjaminhoffman3848 says : She is intolerably annoying, focused on making men seem like monsters, and trying so hard to claim victimhood.>> <<@sircharles1248 says : I wonder what a world would be like, if Naomi Wolf had complete and total control of the rules. Her personality plus the trauma of early rape and a Professor trying to get her to have sex with him has been devastating. 😢>> <<@BenHeller-pb3uh says : Brain cell death recorded>> <<@singwings says : Interesting debate and well done in the civility and good nature of the debate from Naomi Wolf. I disagree with her assumption that “higher socio-econaomic status” necessitates an “unattractive older wealthy man who happens to be a scientist” 01:23:09 …Justin Timberlake anyone? I’d say he has high socio-economic status. I would tailor that to… socio-economic status does NOT mean that the physically unattractive indicators, like if he has healthy testosterone and healthy reproductive power or not, go anywhere. They’re still there… Healthy looks are there with the additional burden of competence when it comes to resources to protect us with. A woman can absolutely anticipate a life with a man who’s “going somewhere” and well-liked as “higher socio-economic status” for mate selection in younger adult men, absolutely. He doesn’t have to be older and ugly… in fact, exceptionally attractive well-dressed people (of any gender) are more likely to land the jobs they apply for and to get promoted (sorry) so the “ugly” assumption doesn’t even correlate to socio-economic ease. Just to respectfully disagree about the representation that socioeconomic status means an “unattractive wealthy old guy” as the definition. …I disagree with her interpretation of what that really looks like. I also don’t think Jordan Peterson presented his interpretation very well of the meaning behind women rating most men as ‘below average’ in their physical attractiveness.>> <<@PatrickCotter-lv7zb says : On what planet is Naomi Wolf ‘a progressive’?>> <<@MariaOriz-u7v says : We love you Peterson 🎉❤>> <<@rhythmandacoustics says : Naomi is taking the exception to be the rule.>> <<@rhythmandacoustics says : Evolutionary biology can be proven to be correct or not by doing cross cultural studies. And indeed there is a huge lap of common findings among cultures.>> <<@pcchau20 says : I am waiting to hear them acknowledge that the process that they call authoritarian control was later lifted after the epidemic was over. An example, is COVID. In Hong Kong, for example, it became very clear very quickly that the HK special administrative government was using the pandemic as a reason to suppress rallies and demonstrations. To some, it appeared that the protective measures against gatherings was punitive, directed pointedly at but not limited to the blue collar workers. What these two speakers also did not acknowledge along that vein of authoritarian suppression of personal liberty is the fact that in recent times, the implementation of these by-laws that limited personal freedoms were supported by doctors and nurses. When the threat of the virus started to wane, laws that were erected to curtail social gatherings were lifted. This applies to most countries in the West. It is important to maintain a balanced view and not oversimplify. ETA: did a search on Naomi Wolf afterwards and found that she is labelled as a conspiracy theorist who has denied some major events in recent history.>> <<@danieljun2631 says : 1:39:31>> <<@brody2646 says : Hahaha he smoked her good stuff. 😆😂🤣 Jordan Peterson is the man and you know you’re in trouble when Jordan Peterson say no wait explain what you mean by that….>> <<@NobodyButUsMice says : Birch, your alleged attacker was simply not attractive enough for you. And now you badmouth him for it. Repeal the 19th.>> <<@candynewton4945 says : Dr. Jack Kruse is an intellectual review both of you would enjoy. Thank you for the conversation. 🇺🇲>> <<@wargamesstore2374 says : You need to get more feminist on your shows that combat your views- women and men. I can find on youtube a lot about men problems and hypergamy, gold diggers and hitting the wall, but I don t see so much against men, and I am very interested so I can learn more. Thank you>> <<@jarroddavid8352 says : In the book "Whole Stole Feminism" Naomi was confronted about her false statistics and to my understanding she never corrected herself.>> <<@CB-dl1vg says : I wonder if she realises that she’s using the same neomarixist ideology that’s she is criticising as a foundation for her feminism? And helped push the culture we see today 😂>> <<@margotkeulen1086 says : You mean genuine left! Concerning poverty and liberty>> <<@flipsvaldes8325 says : 1:24:30 -1:24:57 , that opinion seems to not only be biased but is a niche experience/ fantasy/ kink if you will, most men would prefer a younger woman, because they look better, men date down financially, and looks are 90% of the deal, an older woman for the most part cannot compete with a younger woman looks wise. Just like the women who date older guys, they date for the money, thats it, same deal for men but its ,again, a niche category. You would have to be used to either telling or believeing lies to agree with her particular view, regardless of gender, as a general statement even. And she is a proffesional? This is a problem.>> <<@RyderSpearmann says : I think that Wolf is, in the male female discussion… stepping out of relevancy… her perspective seems to be about “strategies for a 21s century life”, while not realizing that civilization is literally on the way *out*. She’s busy fantasizing about a future that has no future. Biology is going to erase all of this… and start us over again.>> <<@Macklyn3232 says : Sexual misbehavior is not necessarily criminal behavior and her making that distinction was missing the point in order to virtue signal to the audience…laughable. Learn how to have a real conversation without trying to exploit every opportunity to virtue signal.>> <<@judydelpriore9584 says : A lot of the guys at Yale probably were privileged and their parents were in government, a lot of those kind of people are above the law or they know they can get away with things that other people can’t and their children feel the same why raping a person and getting away with it>> <<@tshkrel says : Two sophists speaking = zero knowledge>> <<@Karma-vf6vk says : Beautiful interview, congratulations to both speakers. I listened every second with unshaken attention and really appreciated so many points including the insights on competence (Wolf) and reciprocity (Peterson)>> <<@EstieEFTtapping says : Naomi Wolf, you're such a power woman! Jordan B Peterson, please stop interrupting her al the time, if she'll ever feel like coming back to your show..>> <<@markchappell4148 says : Barak the Spolier is pulling the rug out from under Joseph. Because he Jack says the God is Evil, self absorbed malevolent tyrant. And that is what Jack thinks of God his father.>> <<@MrWatchman62 says : I hope this monster Dr. Harold Bloom name is stained in the academic world to say the least. I hate those who assault others in any kind of way.>> <<@kingrichardiii6280 says : "young men attracted to older women is a 21st century event" cue ben franklin writing a pamphlet on the benefits of dating older women. and i believe his points highlight why the whole "date a cougar" mentality grew in the 21 century. first off ben stresses (multiple times) the sensible thing is to marry and settle down, the man being industrious (which takes time to build a reputation. the older and competent man) and the woman taking care of the household (the young, sprightly and fertile woman): "He (an unmarried man) is an incomplete Animal. He resembles the odd Half of a Pair of Scissars. If you get a prudent healthy Wife, your Industry in your Profession, with her good Economy, will be a Fortune sufficient." but the reasons he give for young and sexually active men taking on older lovers are, summerized: 1. they have worldly experience and make great conversation partners 2. they may not be a good looker, but they are eager to make themself useful. 3. less likely to get them pregnant 4. they are more likely to keep the affair secret, and other may be more inclined to excuse the affair if found out. 5. their face may be wrinkly but the other parts, as fine as a young woman. 6. screw around with young women you may screw their lives over. 7. less guilt on your part 8. they be grateful for the attention now in the 21st century, where you have a more sexually liberated attitude amoung men and women more focused on career (mostly from the feminist movement), you have young, sexually eager men and lonesome, diligent and well rounded (mentally and physically) women.>> <<@donnacorbett7575 says : Why is she described as left leaning ??? She her own mind>> <<@justinsane1119 says : It’s kind of amazing to me the blind spots this chick has for someone that is so smart and has studied this stuff so much. Like seriously? Penis size? How about it’s already obvious that the answer is yes. We don’t need a study. Even worse… please explain to me how it’s beneficial for men to focus on how women want rich dudes for whatever reason when almost none of us are rich…. How does that benefit attractive poor men exactly… in which there are a lot more of… maybe not the attractive part… so they lose twice… but there are enough attractive men out there that don’t have a pot to piss in. You don’t think women judging them solely on superficial beauty standards wouldn’t benefit them at the cost of about 2 percent of the population? Ya let’s throw away 100s of years studying hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary behavior for the age old scientific teachings of feminism. Trust me. I wish older women with money were as hypergamous as this chick…. They aren’t. This chick has zero idea what she is talking about with this whole beauty/ attraction thing outside of her own unique experiences and interests>> <<@Ryan-pi4go says : Most Americans like Fauci.>> <<@aleticiathais says : The increasing value of women in society does not necessarily imply a decrease in men's value. The goal of feminism, as I understand it, is to ensure equal value and respect for both sexes. Her comment favours women in a way that overlooks the importance of equality.>> <<@Wolcik3000 says : strange that because some violent criminals did not change their behaviors due harsher penalties the conclusion was that punishment does not work... not that the harsher penalties were discouraging non-extreme cases, but then that was my thought on death punishment and how some have been convinced to abolish it>> <<@janssendaisy616 says : I am a 46 jears old woman, i am a mother, i have a son. Where does this hate against men come from?>> <<@mjtvalfather says : I have never respected this person much. I don't think Jordan challenges her enough on some of her assertions and certainly doesn't take her to task for feminism's systematic demonization of men in the name of equality or protecting women.>> <<@ColZdq says : One of the things they do wrong is equate liberalism w leftism n conservatism w rightism. That's not reality, but even rightists make the same equations. Leftism is based not on liberalism but on elitism, in other words, plutocracy. And rightism is ased on populism, which is a liberal ideology n opposed to plutocracy. So Peterson does not undertsand the left's support for Big Pharma n totalitarianism, but it's quite easy to understand, unsurprising, n expected. The left had already lost its mind since the '70s, embracing pol. cor. (which is sometimes called cultural communism, n rightly so), which has invaded campuses, the media, n society at large w its extremist, prejudiced, close-minded, repressive, n intolerant tactics n attitudes. So the left's enthusiasm for the inhuman Covid measures n greedy corporations is only the left being more of the left.>> <<@ColZdq says : What a strange title. Marxism was never liberal. It was always left-wing. Marx was a wealthy elitist, not surprisingly, bcz leftism is based not on liberalism but on elitism, in other words, plutocracy.>> <<@terisuehughes says : Human nature never changes>> <<@terisuehughes says : The progressive left is all about control. It’s not complicated. There is a hatred that dwells within them that can only be explained as spiritual evil in my opinion.>> <<@terisuehughes says : It has been my experience in being in the political realm that as a conservative if I realize something is being used to control me and others I have that disgust reaction and will openly resist>> <<@GoodBoyLalita says : this is gonna be a good one for sure>> <<@128626364z says : The 2 party system was really just a uni-party. I think a lot of the awake folks have faith. Having faith keeps us shielded from fear and propaganda. There are many conservatives who were sucked into this b.s. as well as liberals. This life is just a soul test. Have faith, morals and values. Trust your intuition and your God.>> <<@eileenjohnston6835 says : This is too paintful for me to continue. I am at 18 mins. into the discussion.>> <<@awolf81 says : 1:33:00 Can anyone find a citation for “Eve” meaning “beneficial adversary”? I think Peterson is wrong here.>> <<@notthething9531 says : This woman is partly responsible for the destruction of academia and is not worth engaging with. Wilfully ignorant, extremely childish and very disingenuous, with a very limited awareness of anything including herself. Feminism is what destroyed universities.>> <<@isisfire9113 says : I am totally with Naomi on this one- sorry, Jordan. I know you are very bright but there is a limit to your ability when it comes to a well grounded feminist like Naomi Wolf. But I do not hold it against you, why should I? You both have different views because of lived experience in two different bodies but at a similar time period and economic and social conditions.>> <<@isisfire9113 says : I attended a college in Toronto in the 80's and the president of the college (Ontario College of Art) used to attend student parties and have sex with students apparently-during the parties! I doubt it was really consensual- I mean they were young 20 years old and he was over 60! I was a student of one of the teachers who actually pressed charges against him for sexually assaulting her. I went to the courtroom with her. I was sexually assaulted at 19. Just because you don't know 20 women all telling you this at the same time doesn't mean it's not happening. It's happening and it's criminal! Most women don't talk about it because they will be shamed by people like in this chat. I don't hate men but if you want women to trust you, you can start by believing them.>> <<@gerryvan2303 says : I don't understand feminists, but I love Naomi wolf .she is so real what great person>> <<@TheTobyjamesdawson says : Used to like this guy but after covid malarkey can no longer stomach him.>> <<@gothicqui says : What she says about Yale is absolutely true. I was there as a grad student in the early 90’s and basically it was a given that some of your professors would try to seduce you, or worse. You had to fend for yourself. Repercussions for rejection were real, as were rewards for consent. Bloom ‘s slap on the wrist for his misbehavior was to have the door of his office removed and a secretary stationed at the opening. Early 1990’s!!>>