Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@PeteKilkenny says : I love Jordan Peterson but I came here to learn about Joe Hage & Jordan picks up on a morsel said by Joe & then talks too long. I notice this trait in myself, always reflecting through me & me 😂 I was born on the exact same day as Jordan Peterson which fascinates me. Anyway I'll continue to find out what I can about Joe Hage, I'm curious because Damien Hirst said Joe Hage was the most important influence on his art Marketing.>> <<@lauriethompson740 says : 'You can't cure despair with money'...not always, you can be rich and in despair, suicidal...BUT...'can't pay the rent', 'have to rely on a loan shark'...'need a doctor but can't afford it'...THAT kind of despair CAN be cured with money and a structured system that delivers that money where its most needed is the ONLY just solution to those problems. That's not an end to despair, that's for sure, I'm comfortably off and retired, don't have to lift a finger, BUT sometimes I despair, sometimes I lose hope, sometimes I can't see the point. BUT please, don't bin off the welfare state because it's not the answer to all despair!>> <<@agnchewtakele3590 says : I don't know how but I find this guy very interesting ❤>> <<@aumenjqutube says : Please do another episode on art>> <<@David-y8i7z says : Thank you, kindly, for your inspiring words, I've taken that leap of Faith, God only knows, but I trust my choices, through him that saves,..🙏>> <<@JavierSerraltaSanMartin says : Very interesting.. thanks.. but Too many swear words.. interruptions.. and that tie..>> <<@hughjanus5525 says : That introduction was stellar. Excellent choice of music>> <<@alexanderwei5619 says : Dear Dr Peterson, Mr Hage bought an expensive painting and stopped liking it because he found out it wasn't worth its price? That is the most wretched and pathetic thing I have ever heard concerning art. Doesn't either one of you know what art is? An artist takes one or two elements from reality - not more than three - and represents these in his art. By doing that he narrows down reality, focusses on some parts of reality, shows us only these elements, takes away all the other distracting elements surrounding. Then we see the world with new eyes, because we have been perceiving a part of reality in a focussed manner. In the art. Artist show us the world, piece by piece. An artist's accomplishment is to first single out from reality the elements he wants to represent. That is the hardest part by far. And then use his learned and acquired craftsmanship to portray, represent, create them in his piece of art. So high level craftsmen are not artists. Not by definition, even though they can be, but these are two different things. You are the one who is not paying attention, Dr Peterson. Something done excellent is not something done artistically, not necessarily. Some elements shown to me in art might speak to me and not to other people, which is why I might not like a specific piece art, but someone else will. Different things speak to different people. Great art speaks to (almost) everyone. Those pieces of great art then are expensive, because everyone likes them and therefore wants to have them. Demand and supply. If Mr Hage didn't like his painting anymore, than that's because he never liked it in the first place. The painting had never really spoken to him. The elements shown in the painting have never meant something to him. He didn't like it for it being art, but for it being expensive. He didn't perceive it as art. Wretched and pathetic! The way he looked at it is the way one looks at a bar of gold. A bar of gold is not art and you stop liking your bar after you learned its only 55 % real gold. Pitiful.>> <<@lightgrey5365 says : we want pictures of jordans house!! :)>> <<@5ham1nry32 says : The totem pole is Kefkas Tower, from Final Fantasy 3(american) or 6(Japanese).>> <<@carolineneumann9809 says : Hi there, I really enjoy listening to Jordan Peterson's lectures and have derived many valuable insights from his wisdom. Regarding this videos about the arts I do have a question though: How does his idea about the role and importance of art in our lives and in our society relate to Pierre Bourdieu's idea that taste is the result of socialisation, and that the measures of what is good taste or bad taste in a society are determined by the ruling classes (Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he (Bourdieu) basically argued that there is no conclusive definition of what art is. So if art is really important to find meaning in our lives but there isn't even clarity on what exactly it is ... one might just get caught up in criteria for 'good taste' that are true for a certain social group and, as one learns and develops, internalise the criteria from higher social groups, that are however just as subjective... - That doesn't sound like the absolute and divine art that Jordan Peterson is talking about in this video (which I would much prefer to what Bourdieu is saying, because I love the arts but never even dared consider myself an artist, all because of Bourdieu's theory!). Can someone help me make sense of how these two go together? - I am aware that Bourdieu is obviously a left wing thinker and his theories come with all the ideas from the 60s and 70s that came with his political orientation, but that's not a good enough reason to just dismiss them. I also consider myself someone who really loves and admires the arts - I have been confused about Bourdieu's theory for a long time. And if my English sounds awkward that's because I'm not a native speaker.>> <<@Steve00alt says : I never ever want to live a life without creating Art. When I forgot about Art for years by being busy, I always managed to go back to it. My mum and brother are good at Art. Artists have paints, acrylics, graffiti spray cans, the rainbow coloured markers usually they find it hard to fill all the stuff into 1 room there so much of it. Actually making the process art is the goal and reason why artists make art.>> <<@JCccLogic says : What a conversation! I feel invigorated!>> <<@autumnleaves2766 says : Enjoyable as ever. I'd not heard of Joe Hage before and he came across very well, this was a very interesting discussion. It is still a valid activity creating art and music even if you cannot earn money doing so. It is never a good idea to try to repress that creativity that some people have. I am creative in both music and art and find it better than any medication with regard to my bipolar, indeed I've now been medication free for three years or so and find myself in a particularly creative phase with regard to musical composition. It would be interesting to hear both gentlemen's thoughts on AI-generated art. This is beginning to dominate the print-on-demand websites and artists can churn out vast numbers of designs which all look the same, apparently just by telling their AI system what image to create. The drawings or paintings or designs done by hand by the talented artists still using pencils, pen and ink, acrylic, oil and watercolours, leap off the page at you and I always hope that these artists are doing well commercially and that they have other revenue streams too.>> <<@jacquelineconsitt says : We hear you 🙏🏻 The world is watching 🌎 Waiting on results of contempt of court.>> <<@hollier8744 says : "My mum didn't do anything, really." Interesting...>> <<@Revuesomg says : Profound>> <<@marcisaacs9407 says : Art is a language Art is communication Just as “Thee Creator” has in an orderly way,communicated all before us from all His infinite hand’s ability from the depths of the sea to the vastness of space to the almost infinite range of man’s behaviors.>> <<@midianpoet says : THANKS. Now, in this time of my life, is Your widom need than ever. Good luck with everything !>> <<@crissiannj says : Art is a language. So what is a language? The art speaks to us. So what is it saying? Also, you could compare art to something we consume...is it just edible, palatable? Or is it delicious, poisonous? Just like in nature,...poisonous and edible mushrooms have their place and potency. They can heal us, open our minds, clarify, or kill. The Principles of design help guide us, defining some of the key aspects of good art, and good design for starters. They're principles because they're intrinsic truths, deep down, we all agree on.>> <<@ArtAsAConsequence says : I'd appreciate for Jordan to let Joe speak. There's a lot of interesting things that Joe could have expanded on but Jordan kept on interrupting 🤦🏻‍♀>> <<@thejakobistable says : 57:00>> <<@starveartist says : Was interested until it started getting religious...and then they seemed less authoritative and logical>> <<@drrydog says : I found this to be profoundly true.. that Art is optional, and absolutely not the point. I am free, and if others want to be free, that's on them. Not my problem. <3>> <<@johnellis414 says : Whose interviewing who???>> <<@TheScottishoats says : Dr. Peterson's manner of expression lacks all grace. His ideas about art are approached in precisely the way one might expect from a clinical psychologist. He assembles the facts yet appears to miss the point. And if Dr. Peterson's necktie is any indication, his taste is questionable, indeed. His interminable deductive reasoning and bravado are ill suited in this discussion and environment. Misplaced intellect in the absence of savoir faire.>> <<@HelenA-fd8vl says : Funny, those Soviet propaganda pieces make my heart freeze. Depends on your personal history, I suppose.>> <<@barbaraschneider5134 says : what is the book that Joe Hage was speaking about at the end of the interview?>> <<@makozma says : 25:47 soul>> <<@infinitegraphics_ says : gladness to goodness gracious ive stumble upon this.>> <<@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232 says : Really would have liked to hear more from Joe Hage . Feels like Jordan you sometimes aren’t listening as much as talking . Love you never the less>> <<@modconned says : This interview really takes off when both men start to discuss art, wonderful to watch.>> <<@tyronethomasdance says : I am constantly having to assert my point of view for why I value making paintings and art and I could not agree more with the points brought up toward the end of the video regarding perception and developing a relationship with the art. I love when i'm alone and suddenly the portrait i'm working on takes on a form of life and ceases to be a shell of strokes on a canvas.>> <<@FewFew77 says : Jordan Peterson is dead wrong when talking about art at the end. You don't learn what is good art by looking at 1000s of paintings. You learn what is good art by learning the visual language that artists have been using for centuries. You don't have to be an artist to learn art's visual language. Paintings can be read like a book once you learn art's visual language. There's a world of difference between good art and art you like. Good art are uses the visual language and knows how to 'break the rules' of the visual language. Bad doesn't use the visual language because the artist never bothered to learn it. If you understand the visual language of art, you can like art you know is bad, and dislike art you know is good.>> <<@HOurWrld999 says : Jordan Peterson is admirable , but jiddu krishnamurti has all you need . Pls don’t waste your time :)>> <<@markwrede8878 says : Capitalism is extortion. Its values are fatal to human society.>> <<@ChristopherMay-ok1gj says : Thank you both for that - a couple of things came to mind; firstly re Duchamp/Fountain as Art still troubles me. It’s questioning proposition leans further into Philosophy surely? Could there not be a new category for Museums etc under the banner Visual Philosophy? Also, the idea of tyrannical commissions, Stalin put considerable “pressure” upon Shostakovich for a new symphony. The tension placed upon the composer resulted in his 5th Symphony, which in my mind is one of the greatest symphonies ever made. All best.>> <<@spellbindery1 says : "My mom didn't do anything really.">> <<@fernandochavarria9536 says : This is why it’s very difficult to design a good house for a specific client who will experience it in time>> <<@stephanielentzmorrison says : your still a little cutie though!>> <<@MsSarah32503 says : Interesting. Listening to two thinkers talk about "Art." I've been an artist all my life and graduated with a BFA in painting and drawing. I was interested in watching and listening to this because I taught art for decades in our public primary and secondary schools. I would have loved to have some one, a thinker with a love of art, like you , come speak to my freshman class HS students. I retired a couple of years ago. I miss teaching, but I missed making my art more. Note: I know who Duchamp was, Pop Art's Andy Warhol would be a more contemporary artist to talk about in relation to raising the ordinary everyday to "Fine Art." Young people know Warhol or at least recognize his art. And then did you know that Warhol owned many Duchamp works?>> <<@KomeAgbanoma says : This is an interesting conversation. Authentic and pure>> <<@caroledrury1411 says : I may be broke but I’m not poor. Something my father always told me and now I am trying to get his paintings back to the Tate gallery in London and also possibly the Hugh Lane gallery in Dublin. It’s been a trial especially shipping over from the states eight rolls of 6 foot canvases. But I just will continue to do so. His name is Harold Arthur Drury And if you Google him his website is worth a glance>> <<@velifdesign says : I admire Jordan, and I have to say that there are times when he intervenes a little too much with the interviewee, in my opinion :)>> <<@samwallaceart288 says : We can talk about provenance, prestige, intellectual themes and all that jazz, but that's art as a collector's item; that's not the thing that will stick in your kid's head and live on in their memory. My favorite painting of the Virgin Mary was an impressionist painting that showed randomly on Antiques Roadshow, that depicts Mary and the guy with her as just regular people who look like they're mid-sentence talking to the viewer, waiting for your answer. That painting had a dollar-amount slapped on it after the fact, but the reason the artist painted it is to make the viewer think of Mary as a person you could talk to over dinner, and that's the part that will always stick with me.>> <<@TtrTtr-m6s says : 神イエス様が、筋金入りの共産主義者だと、世界中、誰もが、分かる事です。昔の、アメリカ名作映画。タイトル名は、鎧泣き騎士。この映画は、神イエス様の、発言集のオンパレードです。もし、アメリカ合衆国が、共産国に成ると、神イエス様は、単なる、一平民に、位置ずけられます。アメリカ合衆国人は、こう申されます。神イエス様は、特別な存在です。神様は、平民扱い出来ません。神様は、皇帝陛下扱いするべきだと。ユナイテッド、オブ、アメリカとは。神帝国主義国と言う、意味なのです。>> <<@mysteriousmarissa says : Incredible minds wrapped in sustainable dreams!>> <<@pudina2 says : I went to an English boarding school in 1972 at age 7, straight from Trinidad, later at art school in the 80's. So many similarities listening to this episode, especially the mention early on about existing in two worlds, ritual, and living in the UK as a child growing up. Exce I think myboarents were not oi resent until my late teens. Great discussion.>> <<@bevmilward4933 says : Thank you very much for talking about the importance of art. I found it very encouraging as I listen making art in my studio.>> <<@BootyMonkWarrior says : yeah, make arts for art's sake>>