Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@pickkahandle says : It's funny when people try to take the high ground against the British, "they caused X" or "they did Y" yes because they had the power to do so? are we going to pretend every other people group are morally superior when there's no way of knowing what they would have done if it was them that held the whip? I'm not excusing the actions of the British Empire but lets be honest, most people are just bitter that they lost.>> <<@Alma-ej5kz says : White guilt is hurting everyone.>> <<@ms_publisher7143 says : One thing uniquely commending about the British empire was its ability to self correct, to improve in a moral sense. To go from being one of the key players in the transatlantic slave trade to the abolishers of global slavery doesn’t cancel out the previous moral wrong. What it does show however is the unique ability to realise one’s faults and then to correct them. This is unique and highly peculiar. The modern German and Japanese states are not peaceful and moral liberal democracies due to their own internal efforts but because both countries were occupied by foreign powers which imposed such values upon them. The British empire changed on its own and in fact due to its own desire to do so, which would be highly irrational if it was solely an institution devoted to conquest and racism as it is often accused of being. To start and end in vastly different moral states and to do so via internal pressure and desire to is a feat often overlooked and one which deserves praise.>> <<@DipakBose-bq1vv says : A Professor of Christian Ethics is justifying colonialism: Jesus will hang himself listening to this degenerated, ignorant Professor.>> <<@Hist247 says : Moral sanitisation of evil, to sell colonialism as good? Good for whom? Brutish and sadistic violence and mass slaughter of people, destruction, and seizure of other people property is presented as part of ‘…greatness…’ by perpetrators. Colonial projects before 1500 CE and after 1500 CE were all CRIMINAL enterprises, and there is no exception. No English ‘gentleman’ sitting in a comfort able living room being interviewed, as perfect manifestation of his inheritance, will change certain facts about colonialism’s inherent nature, its character and propensities, and its legacy on victims, some of whom have no surviving genetic lineage today.>> <<@Mobster26 says : The British empire caused numerous atrocities, Genocide, Oppression, murder and control, divide and conquer. The British government shipped food out of Ireland while millions starved. Us Irish will never forget it, I hold no ill will to the modern day British person. But the British people of the past have a lot to answer for. This is something that should never be forgotten and modern points of view shouldn't whitewash what was done. Our language was beaten out of us and our culture was under threat. There's still a British government sitting on the island of Ireland. John Lennon " You Anglo pigs and Scotties Sent to colonize the north You wave your bloody Union Jacks And you know what it's worth! How dare you hold on to ransom A people proud and free Keep Ireland for the Irish Put the English back to sea!">> <<@lewistaylor1965 says : It's a wonderful experience to witness this coming together of great minds when the majority of us in Britain who are deep and critical thinkers are subject to getting some hands on intellectual fibre and unemotional resistance have only the form of drunken conversation in local pubs...Do not pity us Peterson and Biggar...we are the majority and we are tough and resilliant and have learned to be physically defensive in order that we alone be the twat at the bar who questions the 'obvious' and has an answer for everything...We learn, we read, we question, we ask for source, we provide evidence, we infuriate and then at midnight we are often somatically tested by our inhebriated adversaries... but we stay strong......most of the time>> <<@MichlDeutscher says : We germans did a lot of good things in our colonies too! Read Bruce Gilleys book about german colonialisation. It was only a short periode until the british Empire robbed our colonies!>> <<@eebest says : Jesus compared Himself to Jonah. Jesus predicted that He would be rejected. (The leaders understood what Jesus was predicting and put guards at the tomb so there would be no way to claim that Jesus had come out of the deep like Jonah had) Jonah was accepted and the people repented. Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. The evil people of Nineveh (you should read some of the disgusting things that they did to their prisoners) repented and found God's forgiveness. The self-righteous countrymen of Jesus refused to repent and were judged. Psalm 51:16 You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. 17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.>> <<@eebest says : At 44:19 Jordan states, "the sailors conclude that there must be someone on board who's offended the gods or God and they go to each person and inquire and Jonah finally admits that God told him to stand up and say what he had to say" Please note that the sailors already knew that Jonah was fleeing from the God of Israel. They just refused to acknowledge that a prophet of Israel could be causing the problem. Jonah 1: 10 This terrified them and they asked, “What have you done?” (They knew he was running away from the Lord, because he had already told them so.) Why didn't they go to him directly? 7 Then the sailors said to each other, “Come, let us cast lots to find out who is responsible for this calamity.” They cast lots and the lot fell on Jonah. 8 So they asked him, “Tell us, who is responsible for making all this trouble for us? What kind of work do you do? Where do you come from? What is your country? From what people are you?” 9 He answered, “I am a Hebrew and I worship the Lord, the God of heaven, who made the sea and the dry land.” The lot fell directly on Jonah and they still refused to think that a prophet of the God of Israel could be causing this calamity. Instead, they ask him who was responsible. They did everything they could to avoid punishing Jonah (the obvious perpetrator of their ill fate). 11 The sea was getting rougher and rougher. So they asked him, “What should we do to you to make the sea calm down for us?” 12 “Pick me up and throw me into the sea,” he replied, “and it will become calm. I know that it is my fault that this great storm has come upon you.” 13 Instead, the men did their best to row back to land. But they could not, for the sea grew even wilder than before. 14 Then they cried out to the Lord, “Please, Lord, do not let us die for taking this man’s life. Do not hold us accountable for killing an innocent man, for you, Lord, have done as you pleased.” I love the fact that God works despite and through our fallibilities. It was Jonah's rebellious spirit that God used to reach the souls of these lost sailors. Jonah 1:15 Then they took Jonah and threw him overboard, and the raging sea grew calm. 16 At this the men greatly feared the Lord, and they offered a sacrifice to the Lord and made vows to him.>> <<@eebest says : Jordan seems to indicate that Jonah was afraid at the beginning of the mission. At 44:05 "because that's not going to turn out very well for him" The real reason Jonah initially refused to obey God was his prejudice against this brutal nation. He didn't want God to forgive them. They were vicious and needed to be punished but Jonah knew that God is a God of grace. Jonah 4:1 But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. 2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.>> <<@bsalter.t7572 says : if u wanna pull down the British empire for its supposed wrong doings like Slavery then at least try to pull down Islam for paedohilia in its history( and presently) ...right? if not in-congruent logic.>> <<@lauraegan83 says : I don't think ne was rigorously questioned. I know hardly anything about history but could pick holes in his arguments. Also, I note he never once mentioned Northern Ireland and the absolute havoc that remains today because of the British invasion. The violence they engaged in and invited, what they did to the Irish language and the weird, WEIRD attitude the descendants have, that they have more right to be there than the natives! No mention of that.>> <<@krisspinden says : I'm about 30 minutes in and I love this interview, thank you for the thoughtful and insightful questions and the genuine responses. One quick observation is that the presumption that "science emerged from Christianity and not elsewhere", in my understanding, is not true. Science, and rational reasoning had been playing its role on the sidelines for quite some time before Christianity and for hundreds of years after Christ. It took a more centered stage with the arrival of Islam. The teachings of Mohammed are explicit in their directive to explore the natural world with reason. And, we can see that the result, during the height of Islam, was a deep inquiry into the cosmos and all other parts of the universe. The Muslim world was the center of knowledge and the producer of technology. This only later developed in the Christian world where it became the centerpiece of the enlightenment.>> <<@Gaby000999 says : Let's be real, EVERY EMPIRE in the world exercised colonialism. It is the history of human social evolution. There were both good and bad things in every empire. Maybe we are so obsessed with British colonialism because it's closer, but we should also discuss the ottoman colonialism because the ottoman empire was dissolved after WWI. I really enjoyed this episode and I truly hope that Europe can get past that toxic guilty mentality and retrieve their identity. Europe and its people still have a lot to offer to the world.>> <<@petercharles8306 says : Ottoman and Arab colonialism?>> <<@TucNroll says : The bi-product of colonialism is globalisation. One cannot exist without the other. The driving momentum from its roots at the beginning to now, being positive or negative can only be judged by the outcome. The dystopian ideologies that govern modern globalists, even though possibly hijacked, are not positive or for that matter in human beings as a species best interests. A digital identity will create a new collar around our necks. Oblivious it closes and we are intentionally distracted by the machine designed to enslave us. A bi-product of colonialism. The aim of a system even if unintentionally designed is its outcome. If this is intentional it should be judged accordingly.>> <<@nadkachakarova585 says : So the British risk to travel thousands of miles just to civilise the native population and to build infrastructure for them. What a misrepresentation of the past. Of course, they have done it only for their own benefit and slavery was horrific suffering. All empires are evil. Why actually The British didn't let Hitler take their land>> <<@gigilolo4660 says : 1:07:07 For the first time in Western * History. Ashok of the Maurya Dynasty had outlawed Slavery, Animal Creulty, and enacted Environmental Protection Laws.>> <<@gigilolo4660 says : Basically Apologism. How to absolve the Colonizers and the later beneficiaries of its exploits from their moral debt. Quite immoral honestly.>> <<@DipakBose-ge1hm says : It is an evil and highly immoral to justify British colonialism.>> <<@Sean-p3o says : Imperial America is walking down the same path as Britain>> <<@Sean-p3o says : I’d like to see Jordan speak with Col Macgregor Ret or Prof Jeff Sachs>> <<@TheScoop99 says : Dr Biggar’s book is highly important and interesting I urge people to buy it!>> <<@FrankensteinDIYkayak says : so is what the UK is going through today payback for their colonialism? how many died in WWI and WWII? the issue died then.>> <<@shadabahmed579 says : if colonialism is good, then I'm Donald Trump>> <<@Soumava-y4e says : See i will say as an indian britishers became more violent and racist towards india at around 1900 mainly when the independence movement started gaining full steam, there was the rowlatt act where anyone could be prosecuted without court case and jallianwalla bagh firings on innocent people. Obviously who indian violent revolutionaries were tortured and hanged. People are also angry they used our soldiers for their fight against dictatorship when they themselves were dictators when seen with respect to india. I think they have swept the jallianwalla bagh massacre under the carpet and dont mention it in their history>> <<@ariadnabarajas2276 says : Darkness may have authority but not power which is a great difference For a God is the kingdom the power and the Glory Authority is granted not power Authority was granted to the ones who crucified Christ not Power Christ hold the power but denied himself for a greater reward He was even tempted to to call upon angels to save him knowing they would but denied himself>> <<@ragnarulrichson778 says : Rhodes isnt South Africa's Hitler, however Mandela and his successors have been its stalin.>> <<@howard3049 says : Great discussion!>> <<@lovehumans950 says : Yep>> <<@AntiJihadJew says : Dr Bigel Niggar>> <<@Skateboardguyskateboardguy says : Man I bet his name has gotten some dyslexics in trouble>> <<@Thugliferider1807 says : Colonialism = Evil. That’s all the analysis and the historical context the word needs. See, not that hard>> <<@CarlWheatley-wi2cl says : "You learned that there was something to admire and you realised that it came upon you. You didn't create it". That's a wonderful, profound statement. Thank you for the interview with the extremely likable and conscientious Dr Biggar.>> <<@jameswebb4593 says : In 1960 was the year that I first visited South Africa . Having a beer in a bar at East London , a local told me , that guy on the dart board whips his native workers . Being born inquisitive in later tears asked myself why are there so many Asians in Southern Africa. My earlier experiences had the answer . native Blacks are bone idle . This milliennia when I thankfully retired , returned to Southern Africa many times , loved the country , but one couldn't help noticing the locals reluctance to work. Don't get me wrong , I am not a slave driver , the words of wisdom from my mates father upon retirement said . If work was any good for you then some bastard would stop you doing it. Its wrong to generalize , as a British born farmer told me in Botswana , the illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe were better workers then the locals. I listen frequently to those like Peterson and to a lesser extent Biggar , but field experience is worth a library of books . I now live in N.E.Thailand , very rural with Europeans scattered about like the proverbial ----- in a farmyard. But no book could have educated me upon the realities of village life.>> <<@bozboz8601 says : Look at the Olympics and see how many Union flags feature and that's not including the US and Canada, the English speaking world contributes so much to the world.>> <<@FragmentedMindZ says : God bless everyone who’s writing these brave but necessary books these days.>> <<@FragmentedMindZ says : Pharaohs we’re the “ Good Shepherds” and did not pollute their magic or miracles. They stayed true to their own Personal 20 commandments , from which the modern ( relatively) Judaic religions ripped off. And created an OUTER god.>> <<@jamiedavey3917 says : GREAT BOOK DUDE>> <<@tracymichaelsen493 says : How much power does one Empire neeed. Fluffy justification for war crimes against humanity. Britain havent ever stopped stealing, killing and basically lording themselves over the world economically and forcefully.Propogander at its finest.>> <<@abdelhakkorichi5332 says : Peterson in Min 22: "which is why science emerged in Europe and not elsewhere" Are you sure it did not emerge elsewhere? the very numbers you use are Arabic numerals. The issue with the west is that they think they are the only civilisation who had something to bring to the table and the rest did nothing.>> <<@orangewarm1 says : Didn't Rhodes exterminate thousands of native South Africans BECAUSE THEY GOT IN THE WAY OF HIS DIAMOND BUSINESS?>> <<@fredyyfredfreddy says : ''it goes for them too'' no truer words have been spoken. Left wing academia need to look at their own privileges. Why are almost all professors in gender studies left wing leaning women and how does that affect THEIR research.>> <<@demiseedlings says : Christian ethics...hmmm killing people is ethical?>> <<@demiseedlings says : They've certainly is something wrong with power when you use it for bad. Look at the millions upon millions of people destroyed Because of power and corruption And greed..its repulsive>> <<@fentonwilliams2210 says : I have listened to Mr. Peterson for quite a long time. I have been inspired by his Christian perspective but this lopsided interview puts a different perspective on his moral discretion. He has questioned dr. Beggar for almost 2 hr. And has never questioned what his Colonial persective truly is. When you fight to abolish slavery then you set up a scramble for Africa it means that you take a concentration of the slaves but then you go behind their natural resources and the deformity of their culture. Dr beggar has continued to steal soldiers from his friends and jordon is helping him to sell an immoral book which spits in the face of Truth. I am dissapointed Mr. Peterson I taught your Logus was about the Truth. Atonement is the only Truth that you pitiful europeans should be selling. Other peoles things cannot be made better by a more dominant tribe. Children from different household should have been made to walk at their on pace. The pace of colonialism was not in the interest of a righteous God. Birds of untrue feathers flock together. Please becareful Mr. Peterson not to loose out on the Truth which has made you whole. I am saddened by your blunder. Its not worth it.>> <<@davegibson79 says : Exploitation is like war. We should avoid it where we can, but it is inevitable and sometimes necessary. Lenin's claim in 1911 that empire is expoitative was a double standard when all systems at the time were exploitative, especially the Bolshevik state.>> <<@VirgilioEnLaRuta40 says : Literally the most destructive, brutal and barbaric empire in the history of mankind. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging it, it is simple history.>> <<@PBandJelly7282 says : 24 minutes in and they've both already said "do do." Interesting.>>