Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@brandwijkgg says : It takes a lot of faith to believe these arguments are anything but worthless.>> <<@kregorovillupo3625 says : Frank, oh Frank. Atheism cannot be "true" or "false", in the same way theism cannot be "true" or "false". Atheism exists because theism exists: if there's people believing in gods, and there's a word to call them, we need a word for those who don't. Atheism fits the role. And no, it need NO faith to NOT believe, as I need NO money to NOT buy a car. But please, don't stop lying and making a fool of yourself, He Who Debates Only Preteen Schooler and sometime fails there too because the occasional thoughtfull teen mops the floor with your "reasonings". You are the perfect tool for having more atheists in the long run. For me, I've not enough wishfull thinking to be a theist.>> <<@cosmefulanito5933 says : The only thing a believer can do is project his thinking and believe that others work in the same way. Because they lack logical thinking. Something that is totally evidenced in this video.>> <<@oscargr_ says : @1:55 "Atheists believe everything is made of molecules" Christian chemist making stuff out of non molecular "stuff " winning the Nobel prize. atheist Physicist: we have passed that notion a century ago Frank.>> <<@oscargr_ says : Atheist don't have a materialst world view. They simply don't accept your evidence for your god.>> <<@Templetonq says : Frank. Again you are conflating atheism with materialism. Again you assuming there are only two options: God or chaos. There can be order without a transcendent mind behind everything. A calculator has no free will but gives answers that are exact and more reliable than a human can. Having free will would actually make the calculator LESS reliable. What do you make of Romans 9 that says explicitly that we do not have free will?>> <<@Templetonq says : Frank. What would evidence against the Christian God even look like? If you can come up with a falsifiable hypothesis, THEN we can talk.>> <<@Templetonq says : Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed." John 20:29 That's what the Bible says about faith, Frank. Where are you getting your definition? Note that even in this case, evidence WAS given. They didn't use the cop-out "even if we did give you evidence you would still not believe">> <<@Seticzech says : Turek is lying... again. How new and surprising. 🙂 Atheism canNOT be true or untrue, it simply is or isn't. Also there is ZERO actual evidence for god(s) or anything supernatural no matter how many times apologists say otherwise. Repetition doesn't turn lie into truth. BTW you're doing good job, numbers of believers are dropping faster and faster so, continue please, you have my blessing. 😀>> <<@MrDanAng1 says : 0:50 So... the TRUE title of Frank Turek's popular book is, according to his own definition that I have nerver seen anyone else use, "I don't have enough trust in what I have good reason to believe to be an atheist"! It... make sense, actually.>> <<@2l84me8 says : Incase you’ve forgotten, an atheist is someone who does not believe in any gods. It is the literal absence of faith, not abundance of faith that leads to that conclusion. There currently isn’t a shred of evidence for any gods, much less the gods of the bible. You are the ones that defined faith as the belief in things hoped for. You’ve got this completely backwards.>> <<@derpionderpson1424 says : If I were to say that Frank is a mass murderer who eats his victims and primarily prey on his own followers who trust what he says, and that I know this because a voice from the heavens told me it was true and you don’t have a better explanation for the 6 million disappearances or the voices I heard, is the fact that there aren’t even a single disappearance connected to Frank in any way less credible then the claim I’ve said was told to me by a voice? That’s what it sounds like to us when you tell us there is less evidence for atheism then for Christianity… you’re claiming a god exist, we not believing you, saying we need to prove our disbelief is like saying Frank has to prove he haven’t eaten 6 million people… This is why atheists calls this kind of reasoning dishonest and Frank have been told this enough times that he knows this, he just don’t care.>> <<@zeddicuszorrander3599 says : From personal experience, telling an atheist "You have more faith than I do" only adds confusion to the conversation. The atheist doesn't know what you mean by "faith" because despite how the Bible defines the term, that's not how it's usually used. So then there's a list of follow up questions. And if you use "faith" "as trusting what evidence you have," it's less confusing to just provide the evidence/arguments.>> <<@badideass says : Atheism has no use for the useless position of "faith">> <<@thosewhobelieve122 says : Thank you for this Dr. Turek. How do you answer an atheist who believes that existence has always been infinite and this is why they believe God doesn’t exist?>> <<@Doc-Holliday1851 says : Atheists all say the same thing “I don’t believe or disbelieve, I simply lack faith.” But then you probe and inquire and they end up revealing that they actually have a deep distain for the concept of God. They end up saying something like “if he does exist he’s evil.” And/or “I wouldn’t follow him.” So when you get right down to it, atheism is a hatred of God. It’s impossible to lack belief in a world where references to God are everywhere. They have to have formed an opinion, and in the case of atheism it’s hatred for the divine.>> <<@silverdakota-250 says : Faith is only as valid as the object in which it is placed. The object in which the atheist places his faith is his brain and its capacity to reason and understand the world around him. The world can largely be understood and described in a scientific sense through mathematics and logic. And yet the atheist cannot explain why this is so - why is it that the universe can be described and understood through mathematics? In the Christian view I would define faith as confidence in the character of God. God - being the creator of the universe - is the grand mathematician - among many other things- and designed it such that it can be described in terms of mathematics. Being made in His image we have the capacity in our minds to exercise reason and logic and comprehend much of the universe - and most importantly- see it as His handiwork. The atheist uses the very logic and reason God has endowed him with to deny Him. He sees the creation but not the Creator behind it. The Christian understands that he cannot fully comprehend God any more than an insect can comprehend calculus. But because the atheist cannot comprehend Him, he assumes God doesn't exist - even though he's immersed in His presence like a fish in water and every heartbeat and spark between his brain cells is on account of Him.>> <<@silverdakota-250 says : Many atheists reject the Bible and the miracles described in the Bible because they violate the "laws of physics". And my question to them is where do they think the "laws of physics" come from? Humans may have discovered them - maybe not all - but we certainly didn't invent them. And even more fundamental- how did logic itself arise? Unfortunately however for some people no amount of evidence will persuade them - no matter how compelling. Remember the words of Jesus in John 6:44 -" No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. " God may use us in the "drawing" process but ultimately I believe He must do an inward work within the person - prevenient grace. Ultimately God chooses us - we don`t choose Him. Also Jesus said to the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees in John 8:47 - ""He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God." And as He said in John 3:19 some people simply do not come to Him because they love darkness rather than light. So sometimes you simply have to give up trying to persuade and leave it up to God.>> <<@sillybilly7467 says : Atheism has no evidence by itself. What it does is rejecting other beliefs’ evidence. But rejecting other point of views does not make yours true. What makes it true ? It’s not the absence of evidence of others beliefs. What if one day you find one religion that explains everything ? Will you drop your atheism and adopt that religion ? Is then your atheism only based on lack of reliable (according to you) evidence? Then it has no evidence by itself. If we were solving a crime scene, you still wouldn’t know who the murderer is. You have no theory. You are no detective. You didn’t solve the mystery. All you did is discharge other detectives’ theories. All you say is “I don’t believe anything”. How life came to be? Whats your view on abiogenesis? What’s your view of intelligence arising from un-intelligence? What’s your view of irreducible complexity? What are your answers atheist friend? And on what evidence are they based on? Because all you’ve told me right now is what you don’t believe in. What do you believe in? I don’t care if you don’t believe in my evidence but at least I have something to justify by belief. What do you have. Atheism is empty. It doesn’t give you anything. It doesn’t explain anything. It’s only full of excuses and lack of belief. It doesn’t solve anything. It does so it can’t be attacked by anyone. You say the burden of proof is always on the other beliefs. Not true. What’s your burden of proof, atheist. The body is still dead and the killer is still running around free and you have no idea who that is.>> <<@sillybilly7467 says : It’s funny to see the word games atheist play in order to not having to deal with their illogical Belief and to try to deny it. Please Consider that God is not within reach of our 5 senses simply because he is not made of stuff of this world. IF he made the world, the universe, and since matter and time go together and had a beginning - as Einstein theorized and science has recently proven - then God must be outside of Matter and outside of Time, in order to be able to create it. At least from our temporary and very limited point of view. Right ? Fun fact: even you, just like any other atheist, must believe in something eternal and supernatural: Namely the forces, or initial conditions, which lead the Big Bang to happen. Those initial conditions/factors which lead to our materialistic appearance, were outside of our time and space, very powerful and apparently very intelligent as to set laws and boundaries, have some sort of ethic that originated our moral values, etc. and yet, you believe all of that process was CAUSE-LESS, RANDOM, UNINTENTIONAL, UNGUIDED and PURPOSE-LESS! You HOLD THAT (absurd, illogic, irrational, counterintuitive) BELIEF. Period. Frank makes fun of it by saying that it takes more faith to believe that nonsense than to believe in an intelligent God who created us. Stop hiding behind your finger! We Christians simply believe it makes much more sense to believe in a sentient “entity” (we really don’t know how to define it) which we call God , whom created the universe. And since the universe has its laws, and laws don’t come from randomness and chaos but from logic, he must be very Intelligent. And since the Big Bang required a lot of energy to expand the galaxies He must also be extremely powerful. We already agreed he must be eternal, immaterial and supernatural because he’s outside of time (therefore he has no beginning and no end) and He’s outside of our nature (because our nature didn’t exist yet). And we could also reason that he is Personal, and Ethical, and Loving, and loves everything beautiful like landscapes, animals and humans - because He created them that way. We “instinctively” know right and wrong, we need to love and to feel loved, and we are attracted to beauty. (Believers would very reasonably state that God has “written” these things in our heart, aka mind. Anthropologists would agree that even though society affects us in different ways, humans do have an internal ethic law and know right from wrong) Yes, all these things are good reasons for God, and God is also all of these things. But there are not PROOFS that you are looking for , because you are looking in the wrong direction. You are looking outside and not inside. So now please explain to me. What is proof to you? A picture of God? A video? Do you want him to appear in your room? Please explain what you define GOOD , unquestionable third-party evidence. Because you are asking someone ELSE to give YOU good reasons to believe. God can be known and perceived, not through your physical senses though, but through your spirit , heart and mind. And all it takes it’s will. If you say “I’m open to the idea of God, if God you exists please let me know” I ASSURE YOU , dear friend, you will experience God by what we mean God revealing himself to you. But to experience all of that , it’s not sufficient that you write on YouTube that you want to see God , you have to seek him with your ACTIONS - that’s the only proof to know that you REALLY want to know God (if he exists) and not simply making up excuses of “oh well you god didn’t show up, it’s your fault!” Or “nobody gave me good enough reasons to believe!” Like you are doing right now, unawarely childishly. So my suggestion is (hoping you are being sincere and honest with us and with yourself): set apart some time during the day to say “OK God, if you exists, as BILLIONS of people all over the world so strongly believe, so strongly believe that they are ready to lose their lives and being killed for that belief , so sure that they bet everything even their lives on your existence and on what you did for them - THEN I want to know you. I want to EXPERIENCE you, WHATEVER you are, I want to feel your presence, like all of them to, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. I set apart my disbelief . Please help me God to believe in you by listening to this prayer”. After you proclama that out loud , to yourself, THEN you open up an online Bible and start reading the Gospels with an open mind. You then read apologetic books. You then Start listening to preachers on YouTube. You then start talking to God as if he was real and he could listen to you. Do this for one month, open heartedly, empty minded, bias free. Then tell me what happens. Only then you will be allowed to say to yourself that you truly tried to seek for God and couldn’t find him. Otherwise, it’s all just an excuse to not even try. Otherwise, you are not on a real quest for Truth, whatever that is. Otherwise, all you seek is confirmation of your comfortable view of life that doesn’t require accountability. If that’s the case then admit to yourself that you are not really seeking the truth and this conversation is useless just like any other will be because you have already made up your mind without even trying to seek.>> <<@Steven-ki9sk says : What incoherent nonsense! Do you think leprechauns exist? If your answer is no and you cant prove it, then you have faith that leprechauns don't exist. If you replace 'leprechauns' with 'god' you're left with something which is just as silly>> <<@dougbaker2755 says : Dr. Turek is so succinct and yet eloquent in his response to atheists' worldview. Atheists do indeed have a lot more faith than we Christians have! Praise God for His existence and extraordinary goodness!>> <<@Matthew_Holton says : If someone ask you 'do you believe in god?' and you answer 'no' then you are an atheist. The word structure is a-theism - without theism - without a belief in god (or gods). That is all. Atheism implies no actual belief system and to say otherwise is dishonest. there are religions that are atheist, such as certain forms of buddhism or confucianism. Faith , by definition, is belief. Most commonly defined as belief that does not depend on evidence (though that is not exclusive). Hence there is no definition of atheism that can include faith.>> <<@jasonroelle5261 says : So, no atheism is not a World view. And actually theism, or antitheism are not worldviews. Theism that has worldview attached to that God they believe exist would be a world view. Again you can be a atheist and not believe that everything is attached by molecules. Yes there people that atheist that believe that, but that is not part of atheism. No saying that every thought we have is the laws of physics does not mean, or saying we don't have free will. We might have free will, but not understand the brain enough to explain how the reaction in the brain allow us to have free will, or free choice. So no even if only physical things exist, that does not make reasoning impossible. That is just a argument from ignorance. Your argument is we don't know how free will arises from the chemical reaction, so a God exist, or there must be something non material.>> <<@jasonroelle5261 says : So yes you can use the word faith to describing, trusting in what you have good reason to believe. I think what you really mean to say is, being confident a statement, or concept match reality when you have good reason to believe it does. Using the words, trusting in, with the rest of the sentence is nonsensical. But the main issue is, the good reason part. I would say the only good reason would be having evidence. And I would say confident confident a statement, or concept match reality, would be believing a statement, or concept match reality. The only reason I have ever heard why theist believe a God exist, are bad reasons. So even if I take the claimed usage of faith, from you, which is nonsensical, I still have never heard a good reason to believe a God exist. But I would say your usage of faith is believing a statement, or concept match reality when there is evidence, it does. And you are missing the Good reason, which would be evidence.>> <<@jasonroelle5261 says : So atheism is not a worldview. You can be an atheist and besides things that are not material exist. And believing material things exist, and not believing non material things exist. does not mean you also believe non material things do not exist. So you have not provided evidence that there is any evidence a God exist.>> <<@jasonroelle5261 says : Atheism is commonly used to describe not believing a God exist. using common usage of the word atheism, saying atheism is true or false is, nonsensical. And for as long as Frank has been doing this, He should, and believe he does know this. So this, along with watching other videos of him, make me believe that he is being dishonest. Antithiesm, strong athiesm, or hard atheism are commonly used to describe believing no God exist.>> <<@hamster4618 says : What evidence is there that Christianity is true?>> <<@drutten73 says : Wonder if he has a lot of faith in not believing in the Easter bunny?>> <<@markh1011 says : "Faith to the atheists means if you don't have evidence you just have faith" - Actually that is one of the definition of faith. It's not something that evil atheists invented. "Atheists have very little evidence that there materialistic worldview is true" - Firstly, you're making an assumption about atheist worldviews when they are all actually different. Secondly, everything we've worked out so far has been consistent with a materialist worldview. We haven't confirmed the supernatural. So when you say "very little evidence" you're simply wrong. All confirmed scientific theorists are materialist ones. "because we're not reasoning to conclusion we are reacting to conclusion" - It amazes me that Turek has been doing this for so long and still blurts out such nonsense. This is a bizarre dichotomy. Can't you react *and* use reason? "..and there is a lot of evidence that the christian worldview is true" - Nope. You have a lot of bad arguments. "The true definition of faith" - That's another definition. Words have more than one definition. "we are compelled to believe because physics tells us to do so, so the atheists have made reason impossible"....huh?! Total non sequitur. Turek's argument is a mess here. He seems to claim that if materialism is really behind our brains that makes it impossible to reason. He provides no support for this. He just asserts it. Then he leaps to it taking faith to believe it's all due to the laws of physics. .... this isn't something all atheists think. This isn't even strictly atheism, he's conflating atheism and other subjects. Then he claims that "you have no warrant to believe it because you're not reasoning freely"... this also makes no sense. He is confused about the reacting vs reasoning dichotomy he set up. So pretty much everything Turek said was nonsense.>> <<@samuelrodriguez9199 says : Of course there is God. It cannot be more obvious unless God step down and reveals himself. That is the only way that God can reveal himself more than he already has.>> <<@avafury4584 says : Atheism never really made much sense to me. I've always had the sense that there was a God. I just didn't want to follow him.>> <<@Scorpion-my3dv says : Thanks for sharing brother Frank! God bless as always 🙌>> <<@peteraguilar7600 says : At just 40 seconds into the video when he says, "Atheists have very little evidence that their materialistic world view is true", I had to shake my head. Being an atheist is an answer to one question: do I believe that a God or Gods exist? You can be an Atheist and believe in ghosts or faeries. You can be an Atheist and believe in chakra or reincarnation. The moment he or anyone says that a materialistic worldview can be applied to all Atheists, the argument becomes a strawman.>> <<@DeconvertedMan says : Is faith good or bad?>> <<@imcintyre01 says : Just from reading the title without having watched the video yet, I am reminded of the centurion. Mathew 8:5-13 5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.” 7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?” 8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.”And his servant was healed at that moment.>> <<@Max_Doubt says : According to Turek's outlook, since flat-earthers have reasons for their belief, it's not faith. But most atheists are _nonbelievers._ How in the world can this position of neutrality be called faith?>> <<@Max_Doubt says : Turek doesn't understand. Many atheists don't either. Atheism isn't just a lack of belief. I'm living proof because _I firmly, positively believe no gods exist!_ And there are even a few who say they _know_ gods aren't real. Are _they_ not atheists too? Of course they are! Consult Wiki! But that's no help for theists. Knowledge claims inherit a burden of proof. Beliefs do not. Beliefs only require some substantiation; some justification. I _believe_ no human ever ran 100 MPH; that I won't die tomorrow; that Bigfoot isn't real; that neither the Jets nor the Browns will win the 2023 Superbowl; that if I draw 4 aces in a poker hand, I'll win. And I believe no gods exist! I can't prove any of these beliefs but I can justify all of them. The same goes for the belief that a god or gods do exist: no proof required if your arguments are sound. But there really are no Xian believers. They are all _affirmers;_ who _claim_ their god exists and thus have a burden of _proof!_ Why is this so? For the same reason this statement is illogical: "I don't know if an 8'6" tall woman exists but I believe she's a good person who likes opera and dislikes popcorn." See? The beliefs _assume_ prior knowledge or else they're just baseless speculation. And Xians are always bloviating about how they believe their god is "good" or "just" or "jealous" and likes/dislikes or loves/hates this or that. Such familiar beliefs about their god's _personality_ puts them squarely in affirmer town. Proof required! Can they? No! So they may be kindly asked to shush until they can. Ipso facto Xians have a burden of proof whereas atheist disbelievers need only justify their belief that no gods exist. But what about the Xian vs the rare atheist denier? Neither can prove their claim vis-a-vis the existence of gods so it's a tie, right? No. What does the denier claim? "No gods exist." (This is like the claim that no ghosts exist. It's not a religion or a worldview). But it's just _one_ claim. Xians, alternatively, claim their god exists and lives in a supernatural realm populated by angels, archangels and the souls of the saved. And there was an angelic rebellion that failed and the insurrectionists and their leader were confined to God's custom made torture chamber along with the souls of the damned and blah blah sin...blah blah apocalypse...blah blah millennialism. _That's_ a worldview! Yes, the claim that no gods exist, if it cannot be proved, is a faith claim. But Xians make many _more_ unproven claims so for them to challenge the atheist denier for proof is just throwing stones from a glass house.>> <<@incredulouspasta3304 says : _"If every thought we have is the result of the laws of physics... no free will... no moral accountability... we aren't reasoning to conclusions, we are reacting to conclusions"_ 1. You are confusing atheist with naturalist. I can be an atheist and still believe in non-god supernatural concepts. 2. You are assuming a supernatural idea of reasoning, free will, and morality from the start. Obviously supernatural concepts don't exist under naturalism. There are conceptions of reasoning, free will, and morality that are entirely compatible with naturalism. If you are unwilling to abandon definitions that assume the supernatural, then you are just engaged in circular reasoning. 3. It doesn't take faith to be unconvinced by an argument. Does it take "faith" to be unconvinced by Islamic apologetics? No, of course not. The same applies here.>> <<@BerishaFatian says : Atheists will say there is no god but when you challenge their claim, they'll just try to redefine atheism in order to get rid of the burden of proof.>> <<@whynonbelieversareidiots8543 says : when the time comes atheist will be placed inside the snake to be tortured>> <<@andrewthomas2353 says : Thank you for clarifying this. I was wondering which definition of faith applies to the book's title.>> <<@swastiksingh5225 says : “Atheism is true” when a sentence is nonsense, it’s hard to get evidence for it… Only a proposition can be true or false. Atheism is not a proposition, it’s the denial of one. You can only support a lack of belief in something by pointing out the inconsistencies in said thing. So you can only support atheism by pointing out that theism is not true. (Or is not reasonable enough to believe) Not by “proving your lack of belief” that’s just a nonsensical statement. I mean prove to me that A-bigfoot-ism is true. Prove your A-unicorn-ism true. Does that make sense to you? Not to me…I just see him make this fallacy, on purpose, all the time, that’s why pointed it out. He is deliberately trying to shift the burden of proof from Theism to Atheism, which in fact is completely non sense. It’s like saying do you believe in Bigfoot? If no, then prove that your lack of belief in Bigfoot is true. Not by saying that the idea of Bigfoot is ridiculous, but by proving that your lack of belief is true. That reasoning doesn’t even make sense.>> <<@johnrichards6080 says : God is a metaphor. Obviously there is no actual entity. That kind of God only exists in the minds of believers.>> <<@Tammy-7cup says : THE DISCOVERY OF DNA HAS SHATTERED THE MYTH THAT IS ATHEISM INTO A BILLION PIECES.>> <<@Spirits_And_Swords says : Rest in peace Atheist>> <<@DruPetty42 says : It takes faith to believe evidence.>> <<@desmondbishop5808 says : The belief of "most" is not the belief of all. Christian leadership ought to know that good Dr. Turek. Unlike Christians who may be different but ultimately share the belief in single God at the end of the day, not all non believers are Atheists and non all Atheists agree on a single answer or what's closest to the unknown Truth. I have faith the sun will come up. I could be wrong, a number of things may prevent this but there is a consistency there that I find reliable. I have faith. What you call faith does not align with my beliefs and that's ok, it only has to work for you. Sometimes if you misunderstand something, you might be closer than you think. I wouldn't say you don't believe in God just that you don't believe in Atheist.>> <<@jhmejia says : I’m a “functional atheist” in the sense that I don’t believe in any of the major world religions. I guess then I might be a functional deist as well, or even a Christian… except I reject one more religion. I suppose there might be something out there, but I really have no clue what. I don’t believe it is the God as described in the inerrant Bible, though…>> <<@dannyc9903 says : Even by Frank's low standards, this is a new low! He is getting battered for this rubbish- even christians are saying 'come on Frank you're joking right?'>>