Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@CrossExamined says : FREE Download of sermon I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist!: 👉📱https://cutt.ly/cInI1eo>> <<@davidslone9776 says : A lot of people can't find Messiah Jesus, for the same reason that a bank robber can't find a cop. Read and study for yourself, and don't let tradition, or what folks believed 2000 years ago, make up your mind. Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, for He was born a Jew, lived a Jewish life. It is just the most normal thing for a Jew to believe in their own Messiah.>> <<@drumrnva says : Quoting Rush Limbaugh....Koukl's a hack.>> <<@JohnfromCro7 says : Guys please I have a very big question that bothers me alot. Cause I will probably never have a chance to ask that Frank in person. If someone can help me with this. So I have this great friend a really great friend,always there for me,for help or anything. A loving father and a loving husband. But he just doesn't believe in God and Jesus Christ. No matter what you say he can't get to believe it. He never curses name of Jesus or something like that. I even asked him when your last days come when you would know your time is about to come,would you then say "in God's hand I give my life, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour" he said no he wouldn't. So my question is will he end in hell cause of that? No matter how good and loving he is.Because he can't get to belive in Jesus,it's just no way for him. Or will Jesus give him his hand and say "so will you belive now my friend">> <<@RedefineLiving says : Well, the questions should be intentional and ideally, premeditated.>> <<@2ndPigeon says : Why woudn't you be a skeptic?>> <<@NewCreationInChrist896 says : Awake 🪔 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 “Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”>> <<@chrisazure1624 says : I once listened to Sam Harris claim we have no free will. He concluded his talk with. "We have to endeavor to do better". I asked my self how i could do that without free will.>> <<@Theo_Skeptomai says : BS. I am an atheist and I challenge ANYONE (including Frank or Greg) here to ask me any questions about my rational position of atheism and see that I will _not_ get pinned into a position I can no longer defend. I vow to answer each and every question DIRECTLY. I don't run from straightforward questions as every Christian I have ever encountered does. All I ask is that you ask your questions one at a time (one per comment) and that you don't ask complex (loaded) questions. If you don't know what a loaded question entails, research it. I will state that not one of you Christians will accept my challenge. Please prove me wrong and challenge me. I have but one technique that will defeat this method or ANY other method Christians have available. And that tactic I will gladly share with you. BE TRUTHFUL!>> <<@aidanya1336 says : If your goal is to trap someone you are not having an honest conversation.>> <<@epicofgilgamesh9964 says : *Miracles and Apotheosis in the Ancient Mediterranean World* *"It should first be noted that miracle stories are not uncommon in the literature of this period.* Ancient people believed in a world permeated by the supernatural and readily accepted stories of miracles and believed in stories of visions and visitors from the world of the divine all the time. *Even very sober and sometimes sceptical historians like Tacitus will pass on accounts of miracles that he clearly accepts and expects his audience to believe as historical.* So when we read stories of how the emperor Augustus was miraculously conceived by the god Apollo, or how his birth was presaged by a new star in the heavens, or how Julius Caesar was seen ascending into the heaven after his death or how Vespasian healed lame and blind people who asked him for a miracle, we accept that these stories represent the kinds of things ancient people genuinely believed about great men. Or we accept that they are at least told to indicate that the man in question was great. *What we don't do is accept that simply because people believed these stories they must mean that they really happened.* And this is even when the stories are presented to us by a very careful historian and given to us as verified fact. Take Tacitus' account of the miracles of the emperor Vespasian: "In the months during which Vespasian was waiting at Alexandria for the periodical return of the summer gales and settled weather at sea, many wonders occurred which seemed to point him out as the object of the favour of heaven and of the partiality of the Gods. One of the common people of Alexandria, well known for his blindness, threw himself at the Emperor's knees, and implored him with groans to heal his infirmity. This he did by the advice of the God Serapis, whom this nation, devoted as it is to many superstitions, worships more than any other divinity. .... And so Vespasian, supposing that all things were possible to his good fortune, and that nothing was any longer past belief, with a joyful countenance, amid the intense expectation of the multitude of bystanders, accomplished what was required. *The hand was instantly restored to its use, and the light of day again shone upon the blind. Persons actually present attest both facts, even now when nothing is to be gained by falsehood."* (Histories, IV, 81) Tacitus was closely connected to the court of Vespasian's sons and successors, Titus and Domitian, and so in a position to know the "persons actually present" and to consult them long after Vespasian's death "when nothing is to be gained by falsehood". He was also a very careful historian who scorned those who took rumour and stories as fact without checking them against sources and eye witnesses and who condemned those who "catch eagerly at wild and improbable rumours in preference to genuine history" (Annals, IV,11). *Despite this, I don't know anyone who would read the account above and conclude that the emperor really had magical healing powers and genuinely used his supernatural abilities to heal people.* The fact that even a judicious and often sceptical analyst like Tacitus accepted this story shows us just how readily people in the ancient world accepted claims of the miraculous. *One form of miracle that was widely believed in was the idea of apotheosis, where a great man is physically taken up in to the heavens and raised to divine status.* It was claimed that Romulus, the founder of Rome, underwent this process and later appeared to his friend Julius Proculus to declare his new celestial status. The same claim was made about Julius Caesar and Augustus, with supposed witnesses observing their ascent into the heavenly realm. Lucian's satire The Passing of Peregrinus includes his scorn for the claim that the philosopher was taken up into the celestial realm and was later seen walking around on earth after his death. The Chariton novel Callirhoe has its hero Chaereas visiting the tomb of his recently dead wife, saying he *"arrived at the tomb at daybreak"* where he *"found the stones removed and the entrance open. At that he took fright."* Others are afraid to enter the tomb, but Chaereas goes in and finds his wife's *body missing* and concludes she has been taken up by the gods." If you want to read how the resurrection legend grew over time, read the below article by Tim O'Neill who is a former Christian and has been studying the scholarship for over 25 years. *Answer* What-evidence-is-there-for-Jesus-Christs-death-burial-and-resurrection/answer/Tim-ONeill-1 - Quora You can also read the below article by a former Christian apologist on how he agrees with the mainstream scholarship that Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet. *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"* Also, how cognitive dissonance possibly explains early Christianity. *“The Rationalization Hypothesis: Is a Vision of Jesus Necessary for the Rise of the Resurrection Belief?”* — by Kris Komarnitsky | Κέλσος - Wordpress *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"* *"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? – The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 – The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? – The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"* *"February 2015 – Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53 *"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"* *"Jesus did not fulfill any messianic prophecies — Reductio Ad Absalom"* *"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple – Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*>> <<@epicofgilgamesh9964 says : *The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! – Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil – Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology – The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures – Griffin"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei>> <<@michelangelope830 says : What is the point of discussing if a particular God exists if the debate on whether God exists or not is not settled? The idea of God belongs to philosophy or rational thinking and all societies have an understanding of the intelligent creator of the creation, that atheists don't believe exists. If you believe the idea of God is fantasy is because the cult wants you ignorant believing in the impossible to hurt you. Atheism is blind faith in the impossible, the belief inmune to arguments that all reality is the universe. The creation or universe is a reality of a finite nature, beginning and end, birth and death, causes and effects, transforming. It is impossible the existence of the creation without the creator because nothing can be created from nothing, therefore a reality that transcends the universe of an infinite nature exists. God is a reality of an infinite nature that created a reality of a finite nature from self, and all is one reality, all is God, everything that ever existed, exist and would exist. God is a metaphysical entity capable of creating the universe from self from eternal existence, therefore has a different nature than the finitude of life, because there is not life without death. I know reality seems impossible but the truth is that God designed and created its own Life and Death from Self from eternal Existence to Live Forever, as long as life creates life loving having children keeping the Miracle of Infinite Possibilities of God's Life and Death Alive. The reality of an infinite nature is nothingness. Nothing that is something can be infinite. Nothing that is something can be God. Can a car go at infinite speed, have the cosmos infinite stars, have a football pitch infinite surface, start a race an eternity ago, have the universe infinite people or days? It is impossible. Therefore a reality that is eternal of an infinite nature exists, Time and Space created from Nothing the Universe to experience a life that is literally all lives, Psychology, Personality History of God. To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news.>> <<@sherriheckler1854 says : Love these 2. They are Soo wise and good debaters.>> <<@Disciple793 says : Whichever side begins an argument, the onus is on the that person to support their premise with evidence. Too often when an argument is presented it gets attacked with counter dubious claims and a whole lot of mockery.>> <<@stephenkaake7016 says : I am God Frank, Debate me>> <<@Gek1177 says : For most apologists it's best to so they know what topics to avoid.>> <<@memastarful says : I always prefer others to speak first so I can better understand where they are coming from. Understanding each other should be the goal.>> <<@thatomofolo452 says : 🤔>> <<@StruckDownNotDestroyed says : It also saves a lot of time to let the other person expose their own motives by talking. If they start up with mockery and insults, don’t waste your time with them because they have no intention of listening and are only there to vent their hostilities. We aren’t called to be doormats for the Christ rejecting world. Reason with the reasonable instead.>> <<@markreed2576 says : I just got the book tactics and can hardly put it down. I like to read it slow so that I can understand everything and I just started the Colombo tactic three and this author explained it very well; in other words if someone wants to make a fool of themselves get out of the way. BTW excellent reading>> <<@spooky6902 says : Whoever is making the claim that's being discussed is the one who should explain their claim first. The other person can't refute a claim which hasn't been made by the other speaker without assuming what it is and risking strawmanning them based on what they've heard others say>> <<@larzman651 says : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS and shalt believe in thy heart that GOD raised him from the dead thou shalt be Saved 🙌 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation>> <<@smoothinvestigator says : It's called the Socratic method.>> <<@NayBuster says : Do atheists have a response to the choice maker argument by now?>> <<@gi169 says : Thank you CE. 👍👍👍>> <<@lemuel1817 says : Some of these "Skeptics" are clearly individuals with preconceived notions and biases about the faith, they pretend to want an understanding of the faith or God, but in reality their goal is simply to debunk and mock the christian faith. Many christians fall for this trap in the name of being "open minded." and "understanding" and yet jesus himself tells us to distinguish between those that are truly enquiring and the wolves that want to demolish the faith, Jesus himself stated; Matthew 7:6 "...Cast not pearls before Swine." In other words Do not waste valuable things on people that will not appreciate them. These include Mockers and the skeptic debunkers with an agenda. In this passage of scripture Jesus warned his disciples to preach to sincere listener's and not pretenders that have an agenda.>> <<@victoriacharlesworth7099 says : Frank is like a puzzle master unravelling questions and ways in people’s minds. We give all the glory to God for the men He sends to teach His truth. Hallelujah 😊✝️🙌💕>> <<@oscartorre6003 says : As a non-believer I always thought the same, asking questions is a better way to help anyone on any topic realize if they are wrong.>> <<@DepthCharge01 says : Essentially, choosing to go second to scout and adapt. Plus, it's not necessary to go first.>> <<@jeffphelps1355 says : Jesus just reasoned with people with the truth. No need for tactics. There are people who will be filled with joy when you share the good news.>>