Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@TRUTHHURTS4X says : What people don't want to cope with is violence is the only way we fix this 😢😢😢it's sad but as humans it's the only way we get real change and even then it doesn't last forever>> <<@giulia885 says : Loved it! Why can't I talk more like this? Impressive conversation>> <<@jnbfrancisco says : Salem witch hunts fizzled out because fingers were pointed towards the leaders family members. Sorta like how the classified documents case fizzled out when fingers were pointed towards Joe Biden. All of a sudden classified documents possion wasn't a problem.>> <<@marayoung says : When you don’t believe in God, you’ll believe anything!>> <<@ryan4327 says : I like Tim Poole's definition of Woke: the cult-like adherence to far left social orthodoxy. What the left claims to be fighting for in their title, namely for justice for so-called marginalized groups, is just a thin veneer covering a far left economic motive. Virtually all of these movements are really agitating for some form of Marxism, whether it's feminism, BLM, transgenderism, or climate change activism.>> <<@ryan4327 says : Now we have the new term TERF that anyone who belongs to it is ostracized from the LGBTQ+ community. I've also seen articles from lesbians who write about how they are being pressured to have relations with trans women, many who are still intact, but really don't want to, and how they're now being ostracized as well>> <<@ryan4327 says : A big part of the problem was that those in positions of power and authority caved and gave in to the absurd fake grievances and demands made by activists, rather than stand their ground and push back. This is true from academia to political organizations to corporations. It seemed that it happened either out of ignorance over who was making the demands and why, complicity with those making the demands, or simple lack of willpower to resist. Many were so anxious not to be seen as anything other than an "ally" to the ostensible social justice causes that weren't really about what their titles denoted, that they simply went along with it. I recall the man who landed a probe on a comet for the first time and got a lot of publicity for it. But, he also got a lot of publicity for a Hawaiian shirt he was wearing that had a few women in bikinis on it, which raised the ire of online feminists, a shirt that was gifted by a female coworker. Instead of defending himself, though, he caved and resigned, and the agency threw him under the bus.>> <<@davidjager23 says : Lol I love how he says he considers himself left-wing and says he's for the welfare state, and then says immediately after that he's all for the welfare state. Which is it lol are you for people working or for people not working and getting money from the government instead it's contradictory, if you're just against rich/successful people just say as much, although I have a feeling he himself has a lot more money than the vast majority of us.>> <<@rorkgoose1774 says : Doyle's opening was painful to listen to. By Doyle's reasoning in his opening, neo-marxism has substituted identity for class, and supplanted old marxism, which divided everyone into class identities (there's that word again), This means the new marxists are leftists, and thus the old marxists (they are still with us) are no longer on the left. Do leftists ever think through what they are saying or what they believe? Or, is it so engrained in them to lie that they don't even know they are lying? Identity politics isn't new. The novelty of the new leftists is what identities they focus upon. Also, there can be, and have always been, opposing leftist views. Leftists don't all have to agree with each other.>> <<@jackiekunovska8405 says : This conversation is such a breath of fresh air>> <<@jackiekunovska8405 says : Cross legged in their caves discussing😂😂😂>> <<@jackiekunovska8405 says : Why should ppl allow themselves to be herded in anything....gov religious political scientific.. and be very often abused by the authority of such groups>> <<@jackiekunovska8405 says : One can listrn to it....agree with it or reject it......without any drama....>> <<@jackiekunovska8405 says : What happened to the mature (emotionally and socially) individual giving a view /critisizm>> <<@diogenesagogo says : At about 52 mins: describes the Greta Thunberg situation perfectly.>> <<@colinstewart1432 says : Probably the most reasonable and relevant conversation I've seen in the last 3 years. Excellent work.>> <<@smartsailinsinbad8707 says : Any self respecting sciencetific minded person wouldn't be so stupid as to fall for the million gender ideology nor the identity politics ideology. And as am athiest I refuse to be lumped in with the athiests they are tlaking about because I think it's a terrible idea to replace a lack of religion with those types of fundamentalist ideologies. I think as an athiest I feel similarly to the gay people who have disdain for the activists that claim to represent them. They get lumped in with those idiots and I get lumped in with the idiot athiests and they aren't represented of the athiests like myself who view things very differently I don't replace my lack of religion. And I'm not a materialist athiest at all. I just live responsibly and morally and i find more value in nonmaterialistic things that materalistic things . And I've been plenty able to find our pose and meaning to life. U fortunately I agree that most athiests do do exactly what they were tlaking about. And I agree that it's a huge mistake. I as an athiest do get incredibly frustrated with other athiests for similar reasons to what they talked about here.>> <<@spencergreen6980 says : I fell to sleep watching something else and woke up just as this video was starting. Can't believe it has taken me a year to become aware that a conversation between you two existed on here. Great talk. Perfect balance of profundity and conviviality. Thank you both.>> <<@omitomiti4198 says : I can listen to Professor Peterson for hours and hours, and I won't get tired or bored.>> <<@JosephSmith-ex7du says : Doyle and Peterson are more public speakers who believe free speech only belongs to comedians and public speakers. That groups who are mocked and ridiculed by comedians should just take it. Why?! Those idiots need to be reminded that groups who are mocked and ridiculed also have free speech rights they can use to challenge those comedians and speakers. By the way, based on what he says, Peterson certainly sounds like a psychopathic narcissist.>> <<@Jamesisplotthelost says : Interesting point about gatekeepers in artistic industries all being captured including the critics. That’s why Hannah Gadsby’s Nanette has a 100% critic score versus a 26% audience score. Truth is us commoners just don’t buy into woke.>> <<@Darko1.0 says : Lol, listening to this I'm just thinking, can the left do anything right ?>> <<@guypotvin6943 says : It’s about the conscience. The licentiousness is a large part of this. The canceling that occurs when it is talk about negatively, is avoidance of conscience. We all have one. The psychopath too, they just don’t care, they know they are not normal. The left screams that we must accept everything and not only accept but AGREE with it all. And I would propose the reason for the rage is related more to a troubled conscience making them uncomfortable. Which they misinterpret.>> <<@hezkyden says : ''You’ve heard the caricatures. The Puritans are “haunted by the fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” They are the “killjoys,” the joyless “frozen chosen.” That’s the modern view of the Puritans. The very words Puritan and puritanical are slung about as bits of verbal mud. The word “Puritan” was coined in the 16th century as a term of abuse. For the average Englishman, there was the Roman Catholic “Papist” on one side, and the “Precisionist” or “Puritan” on the other. The term suggested a nit-picking, holier-than-thou party of men who considered themselves purer than the rest. It was certainly not a fair description: Those it was applied to strove to be pure, but never thought of themselves as pure, as their constant testimony to their own sinfulness and imperfection demonstrates. Puritanism was a Bible-based movement. Doctrinally, it was a kind of vigorous, joyous Calvinism; experientially, it was warm and contagious and rejoiced in fellowship with God and with the saints; evangelistically, it was active and urgent, yet tender; ecclesiastically, it was centered on the triune God, his worship and service.'' Dr Joel Beeke.>> <<@arctichodag says : I'm a bit surprised that Mr. Peterson still believes that the Roman cult DIDN'T establish rat-lines for Adolf and high level Nazis to escape to South America.>> <<@whirloffire says : 22:45 Religion is the call to be a shepherd. Catholicism tries to Shepherd the masses by centralizing, and many sheep are lost because of the size of the flock Protestantism calls each person to be a shepherd, and the sheep gather around the Good Shepherd In a world where good practices are so individually discerned you will know a good shepherd by their fruits. It is a poor Shepherd indeed who leaves his flock when the wolves come to bay Thank you Jordan for being a good shepherd. A joke: Generalization is the true evil>> <<@whirloffire says : 22:45 Religion is the call to be a shepherd. Catholicism tries to Shepherd the masses by centralizing, and many sheep are lost because of the size of the flock Protestantism calls each person to be a shepherd, and the sheep gather around the Good Shepherd In a world where good practices are so individually discerned you will know a good shepherd by their fruits. It is a poor Shepherd indeed who leaves his flock when the wolves come to bay Thank you Jordan for being a good shepherd. A joke: Generalization is the true evil>> <<@whirloffire says : 18:31 in my belief Cis is a slur My preferred word is hetero At its core a slur is about the intent And the intent of Cis is to shame>> <<@dawnbaldwin5919 says : We just need to teach children why free speech is important. ❤>> <<@PP-th4ft says : There is a question I have not managed to sufficiently answer for myself: Is the modern leftist movement the first large-scalwe collectivist movement or is it the opposite – hyper individualistic? I feel there are arguments for both sides, with mandated diversity inevitably leading to a new form of homogeneity across various aspects of life. On the other hand, however, the concept of intersectionality is also hyper individualistic in its approach. Maybe it's neither or a combination of the two?>> <<@ChelleMEis says : Jesus is the answer.>> <<@LordLanceLotLegacies says : TLDR People are expressing gratitude for Andrew Doyle and Jordan Peterson's ability to articulate views fearlessly, and are calling for more discussions like this to address the pathologies of woke culture.>> <<@cavscout62 says : Traditional “left and right” have been missing since the end of WW-II. Anyone with a functioning brain knows this to be factual and the real question is simply this, do you have the Guts to stand up and call out the insanity of the prevailing “conventional wisdom” that’s anything but?>> <<@t3tsuyaguy1 says : I think the reason we seem to require some kind of spiritual and religious framework, is connected to the role emotion plays in our understanding of the world. Emotion seems to be regarded by many as disconnected from our reasoning. It's thought that emotion is "in the way" of precise and accurate thought, that it is a biased and almost dangerous phenomenon, that must be accounted for and corralled and, if possible, eliminated from our analysis. I think this may be catastrophic to our ability to properly understand the world around us. Why? Because our emotions are actually a critical part of our perceptual apparatus. I find it useful to suggest that emotion is to rationality as the sensation of heat is to vision. It is quite useful to perceive what we call the visible light spectrum as vision. The way those wavelengths of light interact with the environment, makes them particularly useful for perceiving as gradations of "color" _and_ to understand the relative distance between sources. So, we evolved eyes to see. Infrared light is different. It is _not_ particularly useful, most of the time, to perceive infrared light as part of our vision. But it _is_ useful to detect the intensity of the infrared light that is passing through our skin. So, we evolved sensory neurons that report infrared intensity as "heat". We would never say that our sense of heat is useless, simply because it doesn't do a good job of providing us with vision. We understand that it serves a particular purpose. I think our emotions similarly serve a specific perceptual purpose. We are perpetually bombarded with sensory information, far more than we can possibly pay attention to. As we receive that information, it interacts with our memory, producing myriad points of compare and contrast. Again, there is far too much of this to experience all of it, in real time. I believe our rational mind serves the purpose of experiencing and interpreting the output of our brain which is best understood within a logical framework. That part of our minds was thinking in syllogisms long before we had a name for it. But our emotions deal with the output of our mind that is _not_ best understood within and "if then" style of comprehension. Instead, it provides us with broad conditional understanding. We experience anger when we have detected injustice. We experience sadness when we've detected loss. Anxiety signals danger that is possible, whilst fear signals danger that is certain. Every emotional state can be understood this way. But I believe that is only the surface. I think the emotional centers of our minds play a pivotal role in how we comprehend deeper more esoteric questions. Anything that can't be simply expressed in a logical framework, perhaps because the scale or the scope is too vast, is instead processed through the same part of our mind that provides emotional experience. Systems of structured thought, like logic and maths, do a fantastic job of augmenting and externalizing our ability to rationally reason. We have not developed similar systems to augment and externalize our ability to emotionally reason. The closest thing we have to that, is religion. Spiritual beliefs are essentially the nascent form of systems like logic and maths, but for the emotional perception of our minds. I don't believe that the ability of religion to satiate this part of ourselves proves that religion is true, nor suggests that one of our religions _might_ be true. Instead, I believe we have a need to better understand how religion serves our comprehension and our sense of well-being, so that we may develop more deliberate and evolved "spiritual" tools.>> <<@ydatwrh5999 says : I'll just leave this here: yadayah>> <<@dermotfitzpatrick5045 says : The greatest con by Mainstream Media, Governments and Corporations was convincing wider society that everything is either “Left” or “Right”. By getting you to see things through that prism it stops you from seeing things as they should be seen which is either “Right” or “Wrong”. This then allows them create divisions where there shouldn’t be and get away with the greatest atrocities which they can then pass off as the actions of some imaginary foe.>> <<@NotNowCato1254 says : Andrew's clarity of thought and ability to articulate this clearly matches that of Jordan, making for an absorbing, thought-provoking and thoroughly entertaining discussion. Bravo gentlemen 👏>> <<@deyemeracing8795 says : It is said that using fear and compulsion is wrong or evil, but that's not necessarily true. When dealing with a young child, you can't just rationalize why not to stick a butter knife in an electrical outlet, or why not to pull on the handle of a pan on a hot stove. First, you force speech ("say you're sorry") and action ("don't touch that!"), and later, you can rationalize with the child. Many of the elite believe that the idiot masses are like small children that will never grow up, in that they cannot be reasoned with, but must be forced to say and do what they imagine is right. And they, the elite, are the only ones strong and smart and wise enough to do it, and so they must. They are the gods among men, and are morally obligated. And even more fascinating is that many of their worshippers believe it, too, with a twist: that in their own mind, they aren't one of the idiot masses, but everyone around them is.>> <<@bevs9995 says : Jordan Petersen says that the single biggest predictor of left wing authoritarian political beliefs is low verbal intelligence, "In our study." Well, where is "his study" ? How large was the sample size? I want to read it, but I dont want to watch all of this.>> <<@JesseKanner says : The best way out of intellectual hubris is a pig-headed dedication to curiosity. When smart people stop being curious, they rot intellectually.>> <<@justletmecommentprz says : My family has extensive stock assets, over 100k personally of my own, and the markets are doing better than they ever had in our entire lives since the Great Recession under Bush Jr. Please stop listening to this Trump doomsday shit about the markets. It is literally designed to destabilize the markets so they can point at the democrats and say it’s their fault, instead of trying to make it work under both circumstances. These record highs have happened in spite of wishing for the downfall of the US and world markets just because a certain party isn’t in charge in certain places.>> <<@hulkjelly6876 says : Rogan is NOT on the right.>> <<@broimp says : What shear joy it was to hear this discussion. I am so lucky and grateful for these great thinkers.>> <<@lickspittle1 says : Wait.....Doyle voted for Corbyn? ........were you intoxicated on whiskey or hard drugs at this moment>> <<@plankman6408 says : Check your notification bells. The eye of Shadowban is upon us!>> <<@Button-Masherz says : Yeah funny how we’ve forgotten the behavior of the left totalitarian regimes during covid. Hmmm. And no, i don’t think so…woke is NOT right wing. Gimme a flippin break. Regarding the repentance at Salem, well does anyone seriously think any liberals will repent from their actions during covid? Ha yeah sure thing>> <<@billanderson1075 says : 1) Hitler was a Communist and later a National SOCIALIST. 2) Religion is the acknowledgement and consequent worship of a divine being - Social Justice is not a religion. 3) The left/right dynamic is a Communist construct. The world is a triarchy between a) INDIVIDUALISM, b) COLLECTIVISM, and c) AUTHORITARIANISM. In France in 1905 there were Republicans, Socialists and Monarchists. Monarchism largely disappeared after WWI. It is now the DEEP STATE bureaucracy - the uniparty - Bush, Chaney, and Clinton. They are people who think they are smarter than everyone else and should rule thru an enlightened bureaucracy.>> <<@yosolonopuedo says : This is pure gold>> <<@CJB333 says : I've been seeing a lot more people referring to woke as a secular religion>> <<@cantasar3212 says : Dear Dr. Peterson, I'm from Hatay, a city shattered by an earthquake. I've lost over 100 loved ones, and we're struggling to cope. Your teachings have been my anchor, helping me improve my life for long years. But now, facing this immense tragedy, I'm lost and unable to help myself or my community. I desperately need your guidance to regain clarity and function effectively. Sincerely, Can Tasar>>