Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@beeceebc says : This is over my head.>> <<@buildingthefarm says : Donald Hoffman is brilliant and has a bottomless patience with these people questioning him, and makes it all about themselves. As a viewer, I’d like to hear Donald Hoffman explain, in his very pedagogic ways, his theories without Jordan Peterson cutting him off every 10th second to explain his own views of a questions he just asked. Also, Jordan claims to make this talk ’easier’ for the viewer to grasp.. Yet he is the one using flashy words and zoning out.>> <<@saylorobama says : "Conscious Agent" = A Soul>> <<@jeffreyluciana8711 says : GR is a cult>> <<@mikesom3209 says : Ok, i am thus watching my body through a headset.But if I am being filmed while sleeping. I am asleep, my conscience is off, yet my body is obviously still there. As Mr Peterson says, there is still an objective reality which in this case is not a projection of my conscience. Otherwise I would have disappeared from the bed. There is a flaw there in the sense that the camera filming me is not conscious yet it collapses the wave function to materialize me sleeping? I don't think so... I know that it does in the double-slit experimented, but cameras have no conscience... Or is it that my sleeping body on the bed only appears when I look at the film but wasn't actualy there otherwise? I think that conception of projected reality does not add up.>> <<@rayhan3654 says : Is Peterson interviewing himself, with Hoffman as an audience? Jeez. Asking a targeted question should not involve spouting a lecture and flailing about.>> <<@mhmtsoylu1928 says : Why does Jordan Peterson talk more than his participants in every episode?>> <<@KajsaS-eo1mu says : Donald hoffman has such interesting facts. And he explains it in such a pleasent way. Fascinating. Thank you mr hoffman!>> <<@Exod365 says : Mark This Well 100¹⁰ As Human We Will Never Be Able To Break This Construct. We will only ever exist here. 2d drawn stick man cannot get off the paper. 3d humans will never escape 3d. Only the GOD THE CREATOR. JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE..>> <<@Youtubeissokewl says : All souls are connected>> <<@talon5902 says : Unfortunately, assuming the absolute cannot be done, the illusion of creating narrative is the only alternative>> <<@SeiroosFardipour-l7s says : The virtual distance between those Decoration permutations and reality is like to compering inside out with outside in and say their are one it is just another dimensions.>> <<@Yesurra says : Know Thyself & Thy Shall know GOD and all His Powers! This is why Jesus sugessted to look after the least of these poeple in the Kingdom. We are One being and so how do we get everyone to share this world, so that no-one is left out? These two gentlemen are uncovering some Spiritual awareness of the truth. Our Social contract is broken and we all need to reset it now.>> <<@robweissman5952 says : Wow... Really glad I could watch Jordan talk AT Hoffman for an hour... It feels like for much of this Hoffman's theory just went over Jordan's head, because he was so focused on showing off a what ever notions he's had in his head since his Map's of Meaning days... Hoffman has many other great interviews where he really gets into his whole UI theory of reality... Lex Fridman's is actually really good.>> <<@PistasSophia says : I wish with all my heart I’d have had Peterson as one of my professors. I could listen to his external processing of ideas all day. Sometimes it annoys me because he talks more than his guests, but usually I just go with it and enjoy the ride.>> <<@nancykisich3263 says : Hoffman’s model of conscious agents does not grant the agents access to “truth.” It is a predatory model rooted in survival of the fittest. I believe Peterson is gesturing toward something more like “truth” — a thread of deeper wisdom woven through our evolutionary narrative, a win-win rather than zero-sum dynamic. Furthermore, Hoffman’s entropy-based account — in which conscious agents associate solely to discharge entropy — cannot explain why conscious agents would collaboratively come together for creative, higher-order purposes, such as “building a bridge.”>> <<@nancykisich3263 says : Hoffman begins with a bias that consciousness emerged from consciousness. This assumption fails to account for the physical matter that emerged from the Big bang. I can listen to him all night. He reminds me of Carlos Castaneda’s cosmology. Hoffman “takes the headset off.” Don Juan “moves his assemblage point.” Both cosmologies bypass the limitations of space-time. …Is this a predatory self-aware universe or is there an unknowable ruling principle? “The most important question facing humanity is: Is the universe a friendly place?” — Albert Einstein>> <<@l.rongardner2150 says : Check out the mind-blowing recently published book "Nonduality and Mind-Only through the Prism of Reality," which makes mincemeat of Hoffman's "case against reality" and Bernardo Kastrup's analytic idealism.>> <<@xlargetophat says : Space time Space time Space time Space time>> <<@Imfromfrankston says : Can you get out of the matrix using the matrix though? I mean Maths is a language born from conventional reality isn’t it? Can reality only really be experienced through meditation because it is just emptiness. Anyway it was frustrating listening to Petersons Abrahamic and Darwinian arguments….I just wanted to hear the science.>> <<@DJRen-UK says : Awesome! I'm looking forward to the follow up interview of these two amazing avatars of the 'One' infinite and eternal consciousness... aka the conscious Self, Life, God! 🙏🏻>> <<@petecampbell6117 says : Why have an interesting guest on your podcast and instead of letting him explain his ideas to you, you keep interjecting with your own ideas and asking him to either validate them or not? Donald Hoffman has extremely interesting ideas and it would be nice to hear him talk about them.>> <<@bobs5624 says : If Jordan didn’t need so badly for everyone to know he’s smart, we could’ve gotten a much better view of Donald’s theories. Jordan again turned his own guest into a canvas for his own ideas instead of creating a good interview of the guest.>> <<@michaeldavidson9630 says : Everything is about something else. Something more fundamental. Consider the 'symbol'. The symbol is potentially a portal but is only as efficatious as the interpretive powers of the person viewing the symbol. Being good at interpreting symbols (think dream interpretation, for 1) is a kind of intelligence that brings depth to understanding (meaning). There is also the possibility (distinct, in my opinion) that humans contain innate (below conscious levels of) understanding, ie. certain symbols, mandalas, dream symbols, etc. 'Life is short but it sure is wide'. And if you can think symbolically, perhaps endlessly 'wide'. 'Things are not as they appear, nor are they otherwise'.>> <<@bigboss-tl2xr says : Seriously ugly jacket bro🤢🤮🙄>> <<@hungarianjumper-eToTheX says : 15:19 "You made the case that perceptions will not map one to one on reality, and I suppose that's partly because reality is infinitely complex." (Peterson) The question is, when someone makes such a statement about what mappings are possible and what are not, do they need to see both sets to make the mapping? I think they do, because they can only make any statement about whether a one to one mapping is possible if they see both sets. However, if they see both sets (and here comes the twist), then their perception is 1.: experiencing the infinitely complex reality, 2.: the mapping, and 3.: the other set. In other words, the operator sees reality, because if they didn't see it, they wouldn't be able to make any statement about any mapping, either for or against.>> <<@MrJes3141 says : I love to watch Donald Hoffman interview fascinating people like Jordan Peterson.>> <<@DuaneOnAFlatPlane says : Jordan Peterson has no idea what this guy is trying to explain. Hence the reason he over compensates by trying to be to clever. He needs an ego check>> <<@RobertCMize says : Right now, I found think I just prooved I am not in a simulation! I was sleepy just before starting this discussion between two of my favorite thinkers I took a Magniam Oxide capsule, Which was priscribed by an MD. after an eposode of irregulat heart beating. Anyway the daze sort of disapated and I realized that the canversation between these two Intelects was becoming more and more foggy. I have written about simulations, programs are ones and zeros. When you put a four leaf clover under a microscope you see clumps of vegetable matter Not ones and zeros! The great Greek minds invisioned the things we used like a hammer were made up of smaller and smaller particals. And it may be that Muons and Electrons and other particles, are what comprises matter, but where are the ones and zeros?>> <<@nyworker says : 23:25 You can walk away from this discussion of a red Ferrari or no red Ferrari with one basic paradigm. Every single thing in reality starting with the most fundamental physical particle or physical field is that everything interacts with something in its environment…right up to a supercomputer that “represents a Ferrari as voltages”….>> <<@ikaisoha2700 says : Thanks you Dr. Donald Hoffman and Dr. Jordan B Peterson what a great Avatars >> <<@ikaisoha2700 says : We Love you Jordan, don't worry about comments 😘 Hug>> <<@ikaisoha2700 says : How can you manage that? question is longer than answer? wtf Jordan? :D>> <<@ramr1038 says : Jp talks to much>> <<@rajferrell1726 says : Love 1:27:03 "our goal is to find the limits of our current theories and transcend them.">> <<@ramblingwreck12 says : WHAT? YOU ASK? MATH? SCIENCE EXPLAINS GOD? PHYICS EXPLAINS WHY HE IS REAL? YEA! NOW THINK OF AN EQUATION? IT CAN BE SIMPLE OR COMPLICATED? BUT EACH EXPLAINS? PROVES GOD IS REAL? BUT IT IS BY THE PERSOECTIVE OF MATH? NOW A SIMOPLE EQUATION EXPLAINS ALL? 2+2=4 NOW THIS EQUATION EXPLAINS GOD! BUT IN A PERSPECTIVE OTHER THEN GID'S WORD? IT IS PRRFECTION! NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO 2+2=4! PERIOD! BUT WHAT? HOW? WELL EACH TIME YOU WRITE THE EQUATION 2+2? YOU GET A SINGLE PERFECT ANSWER! 4! NOW US IN THE REAL WORLD? WHICH ISN'T A SIMUALTION! BUT HAS TWO FACTORS (THAT DOES NOT EXIST INPERFECTION)! THAT IS THE VARIBLES OF TIME? AND HOW YOU REPEAT (ATTEMPT TO THE SAME THING THRU TIME)! BECSUSE THAT EQUATION 2+2? IS NOT REPEATABLE THRU TIME? EACH TIME YOU REPLACAIT IT? IT CHANGES? THE VARABLES CHANGE? WE CANNOT REPRODUCT? A REPRODUCTION OF THE PAST ONE! THE VARABLES CHANGE! NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY? YOU REPRODUCING THE FIRST ACTION? IT TAKES TO REPLICATE IT? IS INPOSSABLE IN REALITY TO DO! THUS WE ARE NOT A SIMULATION? AND EACH ATTEMPT BY ACTION WILL NEVER REPRODUCE A PERFECT ACTION OF THE FIRST! BUT THERE IS A CYCLE A BELL CURVE OF ACCEPTABLE ACTIONS! THAT ARE CONSIDERED POSITIVE OR OK! THIS EXPLAINS OUR UNIVERSE (ALL INPERFECT)! BUT THAT EQUATION? IS PERFECTION@ WHICH EXPLAINS GOD! BUT MATH USED IN PROVING A THEORY RIGHT WILL NEVER PRODUCE PERFECTION IN REALITY? BUT IS THE STANDARD TO ACCEPT AN ACTION OR BEHAVIOR OK! ACCEPTABLE? AS OK! THAT IS LAW@ BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS TO HELP INPERFECTION RESPOND ACCEPTABLY! NOT EVIL OR WRONG WHEN DONE! LATER I EXPLAIN HOW YOU MUST HAVE A KNOWN ANSWER GOR MATH NOW? BECAUSE WE HAVE CORRUPTED? WHAT BY THE STANDARD? THE CRITERIA AND OUTCOME OF A EQUATION? PRODUCES A KNOWN ANSWER? THE.PROFFESSOR TEACHES YOU? INSTEAD OF AN ANSWER BY IT TRUE CRITERIA AND OUTCOME THAT PRODUCES THE PERFECT ANSWER! THIS IS HOD'S WORD? OR LAW? DISTORTED BY CRITERIA AND OUTCOME (TRUE DEFINTION)? TO A DESIRED ONE BY A PROFESSOR? AUTHORITY? MOB? ELITE OR ENTITLED? A FALSE KNOWN TRUTH?>> <<@rmad1311 says : Darwin's theory doesn't apply to human evolution (Homo sapiens). It's an obvious fact that is largely ignored by scientists.>> <<@tysenblixt4106 says : This is amazingly entertaining. I love Dr. Peterson but... wow. These two are talking right past each other--fun to watch.>> <<@NeterRafi77 says : The Ancient sages knew this>> <<@valmyburgh2811 says : This interviewer talks far too much. It makes it thoroughly boring!>> <<@Honestly_Mobile says : Jordan ruined this convo with such a GREAT MIND that is Donald Hoffman by talking WAY TOO MUCH !!!>> <<@WhiteNorthStar1 says : Jordan seemed excessively hostile and aggressive in this interview>> <<@dynexhobby says : Gotta luv Jordan so passionate!! I'm an engineer, and he typically says that engineers miss social cues. I think Jordan is embodying the engineer at heart in this conversation. Great topic, and so much to unpack here, well done :)>> <<@TINA-k8f says : Einstein also said there was a God. I believe I remember reading a paper. Someone interviewed him like 2 years before his death. They asked him what was the one thing that he learned for certain that is true. He stated that the only thing he concluded was that after studying his entire life, was that the more he learned, or "discovered " made him certain that thee "must be a God".>> <<@TINA-k8f says : The question I have is, doesn't it say that somewhere in the Bible? That it will be impossible to figure out everything, all of the answers, or the beginning of time. It seems to be true since science is constantly proving itself wrong. I really enjoyed listening. And I never get tired Of listen Dr. Peterson speak. I kind of have to since I cannot understand his books😂. Thank you Dr.Peterson and thank you to your family as well. I give 1 heart to you, 1 heart to Mrs.Peterson, one heart to your daughter, and 1 heart to your mother & father. Where is your son? Well, one more for your son, too.❤❤❤❤❤❤>> <<@chromgoog3141 says : We do not even understand leave alone know for sure about our own bodies -E.g. how a certain food benefits or not across space time (not immediate). So not sure how we can claim we understand universe, reality and consciousness. Dr Hoffman helps puts that in perspective. He is great.>> <<@lucianstefan says : Can someone please, land me a couple of IQ points, so I can better follow this interview.>> <<@p.j.simpkins8324 says : 🎉>> <<@p.j.simpkins8324 says : 1:31:44 everyone should be a scientist the science I am doing is proving that you can't ultimately lie you can make your way around the truth.>> <<@p.j.simpkins8324 says : 1:19:54 it is natural and prudent to give credit to good works it is natural to be non contradictory.>>