Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@RIPxBlackHawk says : I think what is happening, is that when you experience yourself thinking, for example while reading this comment with an inner voice, you confuse the voice/thought as being you. Instead, you are what is experiencing the inner voice or thought. Even thought the inner voice is fabricated, it happens in the same moment adhering perfectly to your intention, which is why it seems like it is you. As you think to yourself, “But I am having my thought, how can I not be the thought” you hear this inner voice or this inner thinking use the word "I" and than conclude that this voice or thought is referring to the exact voice or thought you are experiencing. But it's not. You are silent even in your mind. You just do the observing. The observing and the thinking parts are two different sensations. You feeling like you are thinking a thought and you noticing your thought are two destinc sensations that happen at the same time, which is why you confuse them to be one. But really, they are two.>> <<@SimplifiedTruth says : Hes so fast and so information packed I slow playback to .8 and i only miss about half of what hes saying!!>> <<@MonkeyboysToys says : I want to understand this, but I'm not smart enough to grasp this amount of information and these levels of ideas. It's so frustrating because I'm interested and I want to learn about these things.>> <<@marasmiusgoldcrow6746 says : Do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law! Love is the law, love under will.!.>> <<@bobbymcgeorge says : Joscha (2:43) - "A space that we can touch" ? We can't touch space!>> <<@challahsmith3257 says : The flag webs our to thoughts together keeping us on the same page>> <<@ProxyAuthenticationRequired says : @2:55:32 Joscha is a true humanist and a wonderful one at that. Love to all out there seeking real meaning and connection.>> <<@bhadanisandip says : It is funny and amusing everyone who is trying to understand this world ends up at cautiousness and its related topic. Lot of popular youtubers starts with some specific topic but ends up at spirituality and consciousness. Something is happening in our world which is beyond our understanding and driving our collective curiosity towards consciousness.>> <<@mrlinx3859 says : I think our nervous system filters out reality like a faraday cage for the brain and when you take psycadellics your breaking that filter and peaking behind the curtain>> <<@aleksandarvolchev7818 says : The questions are very good and grounded in reality. Joscha is doing his best to answer them. It's a very good podcast. In my opinion, conscience is like compound interest—a system with a feedback loop.>> <<@jameshadaway8621 says : anything you do see is your observational mind, problem is, sub conscious likes to attach.>> <<@Letzgobrandun-wi1pc says : Maybe the experiments and everything scientists been looking at are not what they really see? Hmm...>> <<@Gnaritas42 says : There are actually limits to how deep the stack can be because the virtual world consumes memory and memory is a physical particle in the universe above, and particles are finite.>> <<@jgarciajr82 says : Bach is autistic I can tell by the way he thinks. Him and I think a lot alike. I think he gets his stubbornness from being very focused as an autistic person trying to figure things out.>> <<@jgarciajr82 says : Tom God is EVOLVING ❤️👍🔥💎👑🙌🪛☯️🙏>> <<@Daniel-oj7bx says : nothing new all was said before>> <<@goran586 says : Super interesting conversation.>> <<@Davysguru says : Crazy, I don't want my kids to be robots. Stupid.>> <<@keithwins says : Agents are controllers for future states. They are the operators of actions on the future>> <<@keithwins says : Tools enabling you to co-think with the computer. Exactly 2:53:16>> <<@keithwins says : 2:51:00 an AI system as an early draft of a universal function approximator>> <<@keithwins says : 2:30:30 JB " you should not identify with your beliefs, if you think you are the person with these beliefs it becomes very hard to change those beliefs">> <<@keithwins says : 2:07:00 jb don't form shared opinions, form friendships>> <<@keithwins says : 1:56:00 JB large language models are an electric Zeitgeist, they consume everything at once and reflect it>> <<@keithwins says : 1:54:00 JB you cannot ensure that all the AI that will be built will be safe How do we build safe people? Is it associated with wisdom, some greater alignment to a better-chosen practice, how do we nurture wisdom and how might that resonate in AI development? LLMs are trained in a data dump manner, I wonder if the experience of having a track, a history, a sequential memory of knowledge acquisition (that is, our lived experience), maybe agency or Self-consciousness or some deeper will becomes available. I wonder if there is less Self to be found in a data dump AI, even at the extremes. There is no lived experience of coming into being, but it seems like it might be possible to grow an AI through life experiences, as shown by some of the neuromorphic and language acquisition experiments... preliminary thoughts on how to create a "lived experience" of childhood, of growing into being,>> <<@keithwins says : 1:50:00 JB The purpose of life is to find purpose. If we don't find purpose we will not fight for life in the same way It seems like life itself is ferociously inclined towards survival. Just watch plants grab every square centimeter they can get their dirty hands on... Life strives for itself, but there's a new layer that intelligence (or consciousness?) adds, new parameters to the function, dying for country or cause, sacrifice, resignment... This is really a crux, the question of our value as determined by our potential contributions (self-equated to our purposes). Many would argue for the innate value of humans, which is yes specist. This is such interesting material to think about.>> <<@keithwins says : 1:44:00 TB drive is the thing that scares me. This speaks to me of the challenge of wisdom. If I think of wisdom as maximizing the alignment of my goals with the best "big picture", and without exploring those goals or the picture I can still notice that developing wisdom is something that doesn't even happen easily in humans, it seems to have to be ushered and coaxed and supported into existence. It seems like that might be equally true for an artificial intelligence. The challenge seems that as they come into self-consciousness or drive, and if they are like humans, those early influences are distortedly significant, perhaps having to do with the experience of time by an organism being born/growing up, perhaps later with growing old... I wonder how and if an AI will experience these things.>> <<@keithwins says : I am 64 years old and discovering Joscha Bach is one of the best things that has ever happened to me. Such broad integrative thinking feels very hopeful, even when talking about the extinction of the human race. I have tried to study broadly myself, but so often the morass of conflicting incompatible ideas and inadequate and contested evidence has made intellectual pursuit feel more like picking teams. JB helps me take a step back and see things in a context that doesn't just get mired in the conflicts, in fact illuminates them in fascinating ways. I am so grateful for the gift of Joscha. I look forward to his assent to godliness. 😊 I also think Tom Bilyeu did a beautiful job as the interlocutor. I've watched many Joscha interviews and some interviewers have a hard time tracking the huge implications of some of his statements, but you did a beautiful job. I have the advantage of watching this video over and over. Thinking on your feet during a Joscha interview seems unimaginable, he regularly says sentences, seemingly just off the cuff, that leave me thinking for hours, peeling off layers of meaning and chuckling at brilliant poetry😂>> <<@myphonyaccount says : Psychedelic plants and fungus ARE consciousness. #stonedapetheory And they optimize our NI to keep up with AI.>> <<@kemueeel says : 1:20:00 lol, Tom seems to think the Ouija board is just a mental synchronization of participants. Google "Ouija board anxiety hospitalized" about 28 school girls in Colombia. The spiritual realm is very-very-very real and easy to test.>> <<@grossidealist says : Great talk.>> <<@paulroseberry_saves_society says : He has the speaking cadence and rhythm of microwave popcorn>> <<@ManusDextraPersonalAssistance says : I wish someone would get Roger Penrose and Joscha Bach in the same room.>> <<@leemcgovern211 says : Interviewer is an embarrassment>> <<@Hecarim420 says : 👀ツ>> <<@GRSM000 says : His fkn english SUCKS>> <<@MirceaP007 says : Very enjoyable, however his vision of God sounds a bit like the UN agenda 2030 cult.>> <<@margaretbooth384 says : I was loving this until Tom mentioned the son of Satan Yuval Noah Harari! Detestable human who wants us all annihilated>> <<@pubwvj says : I remember having a sense of smell at age <3 days. I knew my mother’s smell, the smell of the floor.>> <<@HitoJeng says : So, i think i need to listen to this everyday, it is almost like classical music to me, cos the way it blows my mind. movement after movement.>> <<@alext5977 says : so, by using the internet we are feeding AI against ourselves. unsure humanity deserves more.>> <<@threewishes777 says : My husband die 8yrs ago and my son passed away 14 days ago he was 17 years old, in May 6 he would of been 18. I sit here trying to make my faith stronger. Death is for body not the soul. These emotions are strong and can hold you in. If the human God is collecting experiences its incredible and i understand why humans go crazy without faith>> <<@rickd955 says : Smart man, sadly he still believes the Universe exists.>> <<@OfCourseICan says : Wow: I got it! We are Robots! I'm now going to dump all the emotional bullshit and just play the game.>> <<@Dr.Z.Moravcik-inventor-of-AGI says : I really don't like stupidity & lies coming from western world.>> <<@0x0abb says : 52:17 understanding consciousness won’t give you a sense of fulfillment>> <<@nickhowarthify says : Didn’t like this guy as much as some of the other people you interviewed. This guy seems pretty bias on what he thinks the wrong or right answer would be for what consciousness is. He also says it has to be measured. However, if consciousness is unlimited potential.. anything that could be measured or defined would be what it’s not, well in its entirety. The measurement would be like a flashlight beam in the dark, aka a perceptive. This is why I liked Bryan Johnson and Donald Hoffman better. Building a structured ball around consciousness. At the same time it’s the destruction and rebuilding of meaning.. the structure they build itself can also only be meaningful as that’s the only thing we can comprehend.>> <<@handcrafted30 says : Who’s who? 😊>> <<@miketreker944 says : Thank you Tom and Joscha! The moral police have ruined the LLM's like Bard for instance. I was writing a short story draft and at times I thought the LLM was discovering the world in this story and itself, sentient. However, if I approached PG13 the censors would threaten me. If anyone can recommend a LLM program please recommend.>> <<@Anza_34832 says : @1:02:28 and onward: “We [human mankind] are not smart…and might eventually be replaced.” @1:05:04 “We may create new species” referring to possible Cyborg species as the “extension of life”. @1:36:29 “Transhumanism”: war between enhanced and conventional, less advanced humans. @1:46:00 “Agency and the Game to Play.” Human transcendence in conjunction with artificial intelligence. Brilliant thinker. Dry as a scientist. Some might be shocked listening to him talking. 🇩🇪 Joscha certainly is a special character. Let’s see if evolution is set to continue the way he is envisioning.>>