Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@mikep4216 says : Circumambulating>> <<@GrinchMode1989 says : I cant really speak. But I can tell you to look into the word mnemonic, make the opposite demonic. Original sin. Its all polarities. The equilibrium is you. Between Light(Lucifer)and the primordial dark(god). Made in our image. Reverse engineer genisis chp 1. Easy. Understand who you are. Be Authentic. Walk in Authority. Do the work. Bear the fruit. Subjectively relative to the equilibrium that is you and not you. Recognize it in everything else. Love.>> <<@russellalfonso2962 says : Peterson should speak with Dr. Peter Hershock on consciousness, especially his recent book on consciousness.>> <<@Abel2C says : You are over thinking basic.>> <<@Abel2C says : Sin "peccatum" is also a basic Latin term. Error.>> <<@Abel2C says : Feel free to steal my common sense theories..>> <<@Abel2C says : Let me educate you on anxiety. I will propose that creates PRIDE.. Pride is a very negative emotion. So what created pride in a person? It was an embarrassment moment. So to simplify as I don't like to waste time, embarrassing moments is the seed that creates pride. And then comes anxiety. Again, this is common sense to me.>> <<@Abel2C says : Information big bang is the true science. And we need to study 2d mathematics to understand hive mentality. Both to understand insects and to create better AI tools and quantum computing. It amazes me how academia is so lost and can not see common sense>> <<@Abel2C says : And I as sure these same people do not understand that information is what creates matter and energy. Information is the true big bang. This is silly that these people do not understand this.>> <<@Abel2C says : Its just impossible for us to view reality as it happens. But this is common sense right? Why do some PhD's try to complicate common sense?>> <<@Abel2C says : This is common sense that our mind is limited and not capable to view reality yes? Why is this even a question?>> <<@mrwhitemantv says : jordan peterson is unbelievably stupid but tries so hard to sound smart. he should speak less and listen more to the guest he invited>> <<@AzazelKarnKane says : 🥇v🥈v>> <<@jeremycancelo9113 says : So one of the ideas that need to be looked at to mimic human consciousness is how many details are relevant pertaining to all sensory input, as opposed to the amount of details that are available within the totality of sensory input? And how we tend to determine what details we focus on at an individual level?>> <<@LindseyAndrews-h9j says : This is my absolute favorite Discussion from this podcast, so much insight and such a fascinating topic.>> <<@jamesgarcia1045 says : Tor Nørretranders "The User Illusion" is a highly recommended book. Had a big impact on my understanding of consciousness.>> <<@joseph-2323 says : Jordan’s podcasts keep getting better and better, everyone is better than the next!>> <<@SS-hc6sp says : It was Henri Bergson’s idea of the reducing valve, not Huxley’s. Huxley even credits Bergson for it.>> <<@DevInvest says : How far ahead of the curve, was Terrence McKenna. 🍄>> <<@blackmithkashic8998 says : JP delivering an in-depth discussion about consciousness and perception with Arnold Schwarzenegger is quite a treat>> <<@blackmithkashic8998 says : JP delivering an in-depth discussion about consciousness and perception with Arnold Schwarzenegger is quite a treat>> <<@shemayisrael4292 says : DR, PETERSON, IS WANDERING ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH HIS STRANGE SUPPOSITIONS, AND ANALOGIES, PETERSON MISSES THE MARK, AND TORS' FACE AND POSTURE REFLECT THIS, PETERSON OFTEN SOUNDS LIKE KAMALA HARRIS AND HER WORD SALADS, THE CORE OF THE USER ILLUSIONS, IS PERSEPTION AND CONSCIOUSNESS, TOR USES JULIAN JAYNES WORK, OF THE BI-CAMERAL MIND, AND CONSCIOUSNESS, THIS BOOK IS A TUFF READ, FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON, ITS ASSUMED YOU KNOW A THING OR TWO, BUT PERCEPTION, IS AT ITS CORE, ...ALSO SEE THE WRITINGS OF PATANJULIES,...>> <<@DeepSouthern_Outdoors says : Hamartia...missing the mark. BUT what most misunderstand about that is this.. Preachers preach that it's "missing the mark....of your moral behavior". Oh no no... it actually is missing the mark of your ontology. Missing the mark of who you truly are in God's eyes and who you are supposed to be in relationship with. Nothing to do with missing a mark of moral perfection but instead missing the mark of being a trusting child of God that is made in His image and designed to live in relationship with Him. When you live according to this relationship, you don't have to focus on trying to behave morally perfect....because your behavior will fall in line automatically without effort because of your closeness and relationship with God>> <<@MaydayMaydayCanada says : They have really done this with architecture. Developers have demolished beautiful old buildings and homes to put up boxes!>> <<@ALavin-en1kr says : Our minds are triune; Consciousness (fundamental) Mind (elemental); plus the elements macro and micro that make up our physical bodies and the physical world; also elemental and emerging with quantum events as does Mind. To say conscious is anything other than fundamental is bogus. Materialists do not like to think of it as fundamental as that posits it having a Self, or what has been called God over the ages.>> <<@ALavin-en1kr says : Language is a given; Sanskrit; the origin of most Indo European languages has an alphabet that is based in actual sounds.>> <<@ReflEchoFractal says : "I find that a ducks opinion of me is very much influenced over whether or not i have bread." Mitch Headburg :) love you guys, great talk & I'll be more present for the next talk sirs>> <<@BrianMcGuire-u5s says : I believed in God. Believing Christ was the son of God was not possible for me until I had a spiritual breakthrough on psilocybin. A 3.5 gram dose.>> <<@tricycleaccident says : 28:34 Jordan merges with all the AI systems but graciously decides to return to humanity>> <<@pastorjeanna says : Why would transformation be valuable enough to attend to? If we only have such a narrow bandwidth of consciousness?>> <<@thomasomalley7619 says : Learning to be like a domesticated version of man is required training for every generation. 2 generations from now I would suspect this gap between tame and wild will be more broad, but possibly escape from knowing what shapes happiness.>> <<@thomasomalley7619 says : Right!>> <<@thomasomalley7619 says : Well, Yeah yah So, proclivity to seek relevance has shaped a rabbit hole to get stuck in by reducing the spirit of man to a remnant, by that we are domesticated apes made in Gods image, per say.>> <<@rjblacketer says : The danger of high intelligence is that a person with high intelligence and who is very glib, can make anything sound profound. And then others who are like minded, jump on it. What I hear, to some extent, is that Jordan and the other guy, are basically following Kant. Ayn Rand, who criticized Kant would say, that because we have eyes, we can't see, or nose, ears, touch, etc.., we can't depend on them.....Now, I am just a dumb ex-logger, who barely finished high school, and who scored as a INtP on briggs/myers, and who scored weirdly on the big 5, so, I probably don't see how their intellectual debate is just another way for intellectual mental masturbation.>> <<@herrDOS says : I am 3 minutes in and it already sounds awesome. Added the book to my list.>> <<@SK-le1gm says : Ok that was amazing. New fan 👏🏽>> <<@hopefull2070 says : In reference to the expansion and disorientation of our perception. This happens with snow blindness also. I remember how freaked out i felt when i first experienced the power of going blind to pure whiteness. If i was to remember my own birth it would properly feel like the severity of that brilliant white light.>> <<@beagle878 says : Please check out my book "Don't Give Up!" By Austin beagle this kind of thinking about consciousness is a lot of what it covers but I also believe it may expand your understanding of how and where our consciousnesses and our knowledge (at least part of it) actually come from>> <<@cliftut says : 21:56 - Kayak anxiety: I wonder if this ever manifests in the other direction, with positive emotion or a feeling of being at peace, and maybe a revelatory or exploratory type hallucination, and if this correlates with the emltional or trauma load of the experiencer. I just have the i stinct that if one were "ready to meet oneself" the experience could be very different - if one had a secure and trusting (not necessarily naive, though) relationship with "the world/universe". I've wondered for a while whether there are individuals that might have an exceptional ability to endure isolation like solitary confinement, for example. I'd guess that barring the possibility of a buddha-like state, everyone has their limit, as perceptions seem necessary to to the mind like a kind of "food". But, I suspect that some individuals might be exceptional, like some lifetime monks accustomed to meditation and deep self-exploration. Does anyone know if this has been discovered or explored? I'd imagine there might be clues in stories of people who have survived extreme isolated imprisonment, maybe in the gulags or such.>> <<@cliftut says : 24:41 - I suspect a prediction model and a motivation model can coexist to some degree because they might describe different levels of what's going on in the brain or mind. The brain has to build a model of the world, and that model is partly characterized by the ability to predict the next moment in a general sense. So hypothetically the right brain takes in perceptions without filtering them and looks for patterns which help the left brain build its model of the world. The left brain filters perception aggressively and tosses out things that don't fit. (See peterson's talk with Ian McGilchrist.) So the idea I had is that the right brain perceives while the left brain filters and predicts in a sort of presumptive way - it simulates. Well, when the left brain and the right brain disagree - when there's strong enough evidence of an anomaly in the simulation, either die to overwhelming or repeated disagreement, this registers as surprise, drawing attention and updating the model/map. With regards to the basic automated process of unconsciously developing our general mundane model of everyday reality, I suspect the "computation-like" prediction model might apply - information preceeds emotion. But on the more abstract level of needs, instincts, relationships, cognition, and (in humans) conscious experience and goals, the motivation model fits better, maybe. Not sure if this makes sense. Like, when we have a motivation, the general predictive model of reality gets sampled and a map is constructed from the pieces our mind has abstracted over time. Thus we get a motivated prediction - the map - with all its parts and emotions are associated with those parts in accordance with their relationship to the goal. Anyone follow? Just playing with the ideas that have come together over time watching these talks and combining them with other thoughts I've had, for what it's worth. Thanks and best wishes.>> <<@jakescott618 says : Target audience: landed. Filled with gratitude and awe after hearing this conversation.>> <<@maddorox says : Please Dr Peterson, talk to Teal Swan, i think many of your questions will be answered talking to her.>> <<@mikepinkerton5496 says : It's great to hear Peterson talking about something that he is qualified to speak about. His political musings are, in my opinion awful.>> <<@PlateArmorUnderwear says : Liberals love psychedelics because it is a feminine spirit that will make you feel better without having to forgive and open your eyes.>> <<@PlateArmorUnderwear says : Psychedelics can’t save you. Only God can. Psychedelics can help, but ultimately it depends on God’s light in your heart.>> <<@tonyar952 says : What role do senses play if we are not consciously aware of the information they provide?>> <<@brendanash2844 says : The rock, giving life giving water, could be a representation of Jesus Christ. So when Moses lashes out at the rock, he lashes out at Jesus and disobeys the Father at the same time. I believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is God, not as three entities, but one, like we humans, being made in His image have a body, soul, and spirit.>> <<@zrienkersh1475 says : Imagine how the autistics must feel everyday with their sensory issues.>> <<@Spacepirate13 says : THANK you 👍 Both and JP 🙏. What a wonderful time in life to be in to share the world with JP and making this information free!!!>> <<@brinleymccully says : I loved this one. So cool.>>