Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@sandravaldez5041 says : I looooove how you 2 complement 😎>> <<@mikes3703 says : Why can't she just get to the point? She's all over the place. Tangential thinking at it's worse.>> <<@bradleyriddell4745 says : Our brains are prediction machines. Our brains are a part of us, but they are not all of us; they influence us but they don’t define us. We are also motivated too, & the same equation applies to motivation as it does to cognition and/or prediction. But to chuck expectation away in favour of motivation is a juvenile mistake born of impatience & intolerance. How can a man of your education & intellect chuck the baby out with the bath water like that? Unless you’ve never had to take a tin bath in a cold bleak dwelling & share the bath with a huge family with baby taking the last dip by which time the water is opaque with previously washed off grime, soot, dirt & filth? Maybe that’s it? But you were clear on the difference between equality of outcome & equality of opportunity & yet now you fail to see the difference between expectation & motivation? That’s quite a surprise to put it mildly & politely. Or maybe I’m the fool? I certainly don’t have your academic credentials but they’re not counting for too much in this interview thus far if you can’t distinguish between motivation & expectation? We can desire outcomes aka expectations AND be motivated to believe dreams because of the rewards they would bring if they did come true, but that’s fantasy not reality but the motivation is there but not the expectation, unless we’re delusional? Which is also possible. But frankly I can’t believe you would make such a basic philosophical error by conflating desire with expectation & confusing motivation with expectation aka outcome. One can expect equality of opportunity but NOT outcome, remember…?>> <<@someone1212-y2s says : one of the best and most important episode of a podcast ever recorded!>> <<@MathieuDumais says : my focus left my nervous system when Dr. janoff-bulman go left wing level 1000 open mind. Openess is a gift, too much lead to communism.>> <<@Gregorios says : You can observe trauma in parallel to the beginning of Job’s story – a story of a devastating loss, and you can observe trauma in parallel to the ending of Job’s story – a story of blessing as a result of a victory over the trauma. But either way, the trauma just highlights how victory is unreachable without God the Messiah Yeshua. As a sequel to this episode, I encourage you to invite professor Freyd and discuss the subject through her betrayal trauma theory.>> <<@aaronsmith2942 says : After an hour she just yap and yap about nothing. Things peterson already know.>> <<@Mitral_valve says : @ 31:00 actually faith must be confirmed in reality but isn't founded in reality.>> <<@curiouscorvid3 says : Bernardo Kastrup has important takes on this. Essentially, I think he would agree that illusion at the very base layer of our implicit understanding of reality is ALL we can have and it's exactly the right tool for the task. He calls it flying an aircraft having only the screens and controls to do it, never direct knowledge of base, outside "reality".>> <<@curiouscorvid3 says : Love watching JBP impersonating a blind guy playing an invisible instrument 😅>> <<@jessee.2681 says : She lost me at : "I am not speaking now of the MAGA movement which is a movement in support of a lie. I am talking about a true Conservative like Liz Cheney who has proven to be moral. I could enjoy sitting down to dinner with Liz Cheney and having a conversation." What a way to set the definition for a " moral person " incredibly low.>> <<@m-lbunny2276 says : That was a very interesting conversation. I enjoyed it very much. Please invite her again.>> <<@Brickhouseacademy says : It’s is disappointing that intellectuals side with z Democrats and say they are more open . I had a customer an intellectual educated woman very proud of the feminist movement and I can agree on much of it but was trying to exsokjn the pendulum shift in the current outcome of decisions made years ago / she was correct in many things an they were very feel good obvious moral behavioral positives , based on a religious upbringing that exalted Christ and yet in the same frame the woman wants a socialist utopian world that abandons that same difficult sifting a biblical worldview and paraments and boundaries provide- things that make it a sort of battle having restraints and yet breaking them and ignoring them maybe doesn’t immediately reveal why this subtle trajectory change can eventually make things way off course and off rails . This woman had 4 children but demanded at their certain ages she determined that she also must work full time and not be the typical house wife due to that old oppressive system - yet she firmly believes in a nuclear flaming and had a military husband so financially at least in part she was getting money and stability from that greater war American military and that world military complex fights - so already many MAGA people aren’t typical on board with Republicans in that regard but both parties seems to embrace that global system anyway - we want to abandon that global reliance and it doesn’t make economics any easier even if we tried to do some sort of equal outcomes leveling all to start the same that system will still be the model - so that needs to come down - which seems impossible at times - but anyway before i go off track this woman similar to this conversation would say she is for this socialist taking care of everyone and that responsibility she self proclaims she is liberal and a feminist and a democrat open minded but she actually lives another way form outside looking in she has boundaries and doesn’t believe in unfettered ambitions - here the woman uses a few examples that seem contradictory but to me the left in America has been glaringly doing and saying the same contradictory things at a macro level of implementing policy(ies) - back to the woman I had dialogue with , she lives in a gated walled in village with a guard gate and yet feels open borders are good and humane and that politically that’s a good and shows compassion- and yet if you wanted to just climb her village wall and say hey we want to live here and get can we just work for you ? And camp out awhile ? I doubt she would feel the same in her own backyard. And an intellect like this would and should know this - so bravo JP for challenging the constructs and allowing your guests to reveal thier cards a way of the mess of the West being slowly under tyranny is to use them at their own words. Idk it might not work that simply think they are more virtuous and won’t own the baked in tragedy that leads us to the source and the way to grow in faith that is evidences in the reality of the struggle it’s predictability - there’s a calculated sort of plausible potential expectation to anticipate things work out is necessary to not collapse and to lean into the best yet to be of faith yet reveals in what can be seen sort of mystery unveiled at the darkest blind spot - so what we become must be the rock and anchor - although certainly not all will have the same encounter with the tragic - there’s really aspects of no rhyme or reason that effects many - some things are self inflicted and can increase the chances of harm by our will but random things happen - she affirms that so that she wants perfect equity is frightening because that’s a lie that many buy into and politicians love to use them as they manipulate reality with illusory terms that can influence it emotions and feelings to motivate and that’s not sustainable and not the real strength and truth that gets us through the fact that the world in this paradigm is a miracle but also collapsing - too much illusion there will never help us as humans collectively or individually->> <<@Brickhouseacademy says : 34:50 why the lame ? Because the what ifs - we really don’t know where to go with our free will we might have it pragmatically but we maybe could have made a few turns toward our destination and maybe make a left or a right instead of waiting at a light and then that decision lead to being in the wrong place at the wrong time even if it’s not our fault why we got shot or it was a random event unintended victim we still feel responsible due to free will in many ways maybe we debated the re route . The nternal mechanisms of this conversation are baked in evidence of what faith is and why it can be rational— By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. And Paul wrote amazingly ::: For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse So the rock of it all is baked in to our afore not our desires or motivations or expectations and JO is correct in taking the time to sift through those nuances because you find some healing and get the source of all that is life and true and good and divine despite the decay and randomness , chaos and all splintered in the great order and plan of this supernatural existence>> <<@Brickhouseacademy says : At 31:00 im disappointed she is very smart and yet somehow is saying faith is without proof - wow - i mean I guess I always knew awhile secular intellectuals have an absence of truth but I didn’t think that could be that blind to the obvious that faith has evidences>> <<@LaxmiKumari-f3p says : Nice>> <<@asonofapriest says : These nuns>> <<@ptbird1961 says : I just started reading a book and wonder who and how many people have read: Sex and Culture by J.D. Unwin, M.C., Ph.D. Oxford University; Cambridge University. ""Originally published by Oxford Press in 1934, J.D. Unwin conducted this landmark study of 86 civilizations through 5000 years of history and found a positive correlation between the cultural achievement of a people and the sexual restraint they observe. The evidence is that human societies are free to choose either to display great energy or to enjoy sexual freedom; it appears they cannot do both for more than one generation. The whole of human history does not contain a single instance of a group becoming civilized unless it has been absolutely monogamous, nor is there any example of a group retaining its culture after it has adopted less rigorous customs.>> <<@GRiZZY_801 says : As soon as she said “MAGA conservatives” I turned this off.>> <<@lesliehorwitz5483 says : She really exposed her bias by her generalization of conservatives. She also indicated that liberals are more moral because they believe in helping people. I guess the basis of your morals matter. If it’s in what you believe then liberals are moral. If your foundation of morality is based of what Gods Word says than those who try to uphold those people can call themselves moral. She also had a hard time listening to his examples he gave from the Bible. She did seem to appreciate them as being valid sources to consider as we examine the human condition and the basis of our belief system.>> <<@Realblest says : Just a thought.... if you were to have faith that you would learn to swim once you jumped in the water. Wont you actually learn and isn't true that most things we have learned throughout time. Is because someone took that leap of fait??>> <<@deathtdow says : Hard to listen to someone belonging to the most intorant religious group in America (the self disgrived 'left') talk about how 'open' they are.>> <<@chrishughes6164 says : The DW side is similarly interesting. At the end, J-Bull asks conservatives and progressives to all come together and adapt a superordinate American identity. How? Conservatives should become progressives!>> <<@chrishughes6164 says : J-Bul’s portrayal of prescriptive and proscriptive morality temperaments was awesome right up to the point where government compels prescriptive morality… that is immoral. I give to help the underprivileged get a leg up. We know from the data that Conservatives in general are personally more prescriptively moral than progressives. It is easy to be prescriptively moral with someone else’s money.. that isn’t morality. J-Buls understanding of left-right economics is similarly counter to the data: The right doesn’t trust great power in any form. It is conservatives not progressives who want anti-trust laws to be engaged in regulating the power of the googles apples amazons facebooks etc. The guest should have been better prepared with the obvious data to avoid looking like an MSNBC talk show host echo>> <<@Elias2293 says : Archetypical postmodernist. Part takes on the idea that "imaginary orders" or l illusions as they call it) are a viable cornerstone to build your system of beliefs on. They get to chose what and when something is ma>> <<@myshadow6693 says : She is a communist 🤮>> <<@myshadow6693 says : And Independents decided elections, who are being ignored.>> <<@elizabethshanklin4969 says : The trauma event robs a person of security in society. The shattered assumption is that individually we and our loved ones are protected or we can protect ourselves. That's the bed rock assumption I think the author is referring to as a shattered assumption when struggling with grief.>> <<@dainironfoot102 says : I'm sorry Dr. Peterson, but I wouldn't pay a dime to hear this intellectual lightweight utter another word.>> <<@dainironfoot102 says : If you think MAGA is based on a lie instead of morality, you are a moron.>> <<@jakeqport1069 says : This was just an amazing video almost like Peterson throwing ideas to female Peterson>> <<@grizzlyfray7355 says : Hard to listen to her.>> <<@hisdrizlnes says : I wonder if her views on MAGA are ignorance or willful blindness. How can someone so blatantly biased be reliably objective as a Social Psychologist?>> <<@JesuschangesEVERYTHING-b7w says : This conversation is so about me..maybe I understood 10% of this…MAYBE 😂>> <<@adrianarellano4615 says : I really love this conversation, the last part was intence but having the first part with a pleasant conversation was what gripped me in the argument and disagreement of the second part. It was pretty interesting, and I would like to see the second part of this conversation in extension in the future.>> <<@Machiavellian1503 says : This woman completely lost me when she declared, a priory, that “MAGA republicans,” are amoral actors. She cites Liz Chaney as a moral actor, a woman who sat on an illegally constituted committee, to attempt to remove a president from consideration to hold further offices, and thereby disenfranchise huge amounts of the American electorate because she had a grudge. As if that wasn’t enough, she was complicit in destroying evidence that committee had obtained that was exculpatory to Trump. So DON’T TELL US SHES A MORAL PERSON! You like her because she’s willing to disregard the will of her constituents and adopt YOURS! This woman has NO CREDIBILITY. I’m not even gonna finish this complete farce of an interview. I think it’s important to engage with people you disagree with, but, she dismissed me from all of her consideration as a moral, politically minded person when she stated down this road. She prefers republicans who bend easily to her parties demands, well, that’s not me. I expect more from the people I elect to office. You know, TO REPRESENT ME, OVER SOME DEMOCRAT IN SOME CITY ON SOME COAST THAT I SPEND NO TIME IN!>> <<@AndyRefugeinFaith says : I really love intellectual scholars who are open, and at least aware of their own flaws and bias. This guest I found so difficult to listen to. The bias against conservative thought, even though she philosophically had some connection with it, was so clear. It devalued her concepts for me.>> <<@blissedher says : Smart people can be stupid too! I wish she would have stayed out of the political realm here. Talk about illusory assumptions that don’t serve reality, huh??!!>> <<@grandmasterchody says : Human are just a bunch of robots that are gathering information to relay it to the next model robot until we decay>> <<@grandmasterchody says : His is literally explaining political theater>> <<@mattmccreless2714 says : Once this turned political and she suggested Liz Cheney was a worthy conversation bc of her integrity, this lady proved herself a fraud. Her ideas are a fools errand leading to totalitarianism. I wished JP hadn't been so decent and called her out for what she is.>> <<@drakeandreko4058 says : That was awesome>> <<@davidcosborn1 says : This lady is delusional. She doesn't understand conservatives. "Maga" Republicans are the majority.>> <<@darthgentlyy says : She lost me around 1:11 when she quite clearly defined maga as extreme while having an apparently huge blind spot to the incredibly overt extremism loose on the left currently.>> <<@mansiondave23 says : 1:11:02 define ‘moral’ in this claim. Why is Liz Cheney considered moral, specifically?>> <<@orangeswell1469 says : Very engaging discussion. Thank you both!>> <<@Anni.things says : Thank you , Sir. 🙏🥷🏽☀️ .>> <<@evgenykonolev6108 says : Amazingly brilliant discussion. Thank you very much. Enjoying watching it!>> <<@williaminavanbottle9297 says : Using phantasy to support a psychological theory, is in my opinion... Flimflam.>> <<@clarkrocks13 says : I finally caught the second half of the dailywire portion of the conversation. This woman is even more delusional when she finally answers the question, when the left goes too far. Talking about how peaceful the college protests have been and the police are the instigators of violence/force. I guess the police were the ones blocking Jewish students from going to classes, right? She mentions the defund the police as when the left goes too far. She does add that, “by the way, there is not that much evidence that more police make a difference.” I guess the people living in high crime areas asking for a larger police presence don’t know as much as the white liberals living in the suburbs.>>