Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@JasonGwynne says : Dawkin's analysis's are prematurely assessed through a filter of ignorance and ego>> <<@Ti12747 says : 11:55 So he knows exactly what he’s being asked every single time and he continues to pretend to misunderstand. This is why I can’t get with JP. He’s intellectually dishonest.>> <<@Breadbread69 says : 3:52 "im more aware of the things he knows that i dont know that he is of the things i know that he doesnt know" ....... turn that into your college professor and see what your grade is>> <<@Giovanni-33 says : The Old Testament is Law, the New Testament is Love. When handing down laws, the historicity isn't the crux (pun intended) of the issue is not objective fact. The message is true which makes the story also true. But you can't play loose like that in the NT. If the resurrection isn't objectively historically accurate, then salvation is not guaranteed and we might as well forge a golden calf.>> <<@surfwriter8461 says : A meme is not the same as an archetype. So starting with a faulty claim leads to more faulty claims.>> <<@huntercorrow6117 says : What did he mean by a “metaphysics that is not Christian” exactly?>> <<@HerrHaller says : Too much talk : towards what end purpose ? Intellectual exercise to no useful end...>> <<@sownyp9980 says : So.. no it didnt happen but i dont want to say that>> <<@BaoChiSandival says : Petersen needs to read Susan Blacthorne's Memetics if he wants to learn about memes. She argues, reasonable well, how religions are "memeplexes" or the meme equivalent of genomes. The memeplexes are "selfish ideas" that work with and against genetics.>> <<@nyob4938 says : 15 minutes to pry an answer from Peterson. Say what you want, but Alex is patient.>> <<@nyob4938 says : “That’s not my problem” hahah. It felt like Alex guiding a child. I don’t know what the implication of this is though. Sucks being average.>> <<@adamm3492 says : Why are so many arguing about the "truthfullness" or a book on fairytales.>> <<@ovarianbarbarian4186 says : So the jews are saying they were enslaved bc the Pharaoh was a hater?>> <<@ilqar887 says : If the stories are not benile then how can u derive moral truth from those stories …and also why do that¿why would they be an example for us then¿>> <<@joshualup9529 says : Alex is actually really good. Very impressed with his growth>> <<@nemis123 says : You really have to have a backround with Jungian philophy to understand JBP>> <<@goodvibekidd696 says : There’s a clear distinction between healthy skepticism and the pursuit of disproving ideas. It appears that Mr. O’Connor is more focused on dismantling arguments rather than engaging in the opportunity to broaden his own viewpoint.>> <<@allanhindmarch7323 says : According to Christianity, the bible was meant to be the word of God for all to understand. Why would it be necessary to have a Jungian education in order to understand it's nuances and metaphorical undertones? 🙄 Seems to me if it was meant to be understood by all people, it would be taken literally more often than not. We aren't accustomed to reading instructions and guides metaphorically. I reckon Jordan really over thinks religion. From a person who grew up Christian. The bible was never described to me as a set of memes, or a metaphorical text that needs great education to understand. It was described as the guide to how we should live our lives, so from that perspective, it's a book about an evil, totalitarian, narcissistic, childish god.>> <<@mikebirminghamnz says : astonishing that jp actually thinks he looks good in that debate! alex was in a completely different league. jp had nothing but his usual avoidant word salad trope to lean back on.>> <<@abbieschmidt1986 says : If Christians viewed the Bible more like a collection of philosophical texts and guidelines instead of hard truths I would be a much happier atheist. Unfortunately most of them don't, they view it literally. Same goes for every other religion. Peterson could be a force for good for everybody making Christians see the value in not being so literal, unfortunately he's pretty bogged down in insisting on the existence of a higher being. Viewing the Bible and other religious texts more from historical and philosophical stand points even makes me as an atheist interested in revisiting it again. But people in the 21st century still insisting on the truth of ancient myths makes it hard for me to not look at those texts with a sprinkle of contempt for the harm they're still causing, which is a shame.>> <<@Homo_sapiens_sapien says : I had a Captain who was reenlisting me in the military years ago tell me I had to say “so help me god.” Even worse was his explanation, claiming everyone believes in god…Weird, I always assumed no one truly believed in god.>> <<@LevLandau3 says : I don't mean to boast knowledge in the presence of God, I can be wrong, but my sense is that Truth is a fractal that spreads across all layers of reality. In that manner, the story of Christ is manifested at all levels of analysis and the fundamental truths of The Fall and Salvation apply metaphorically, but the Truth fractal manifests into the physical layer of reality as well, and Christ did rise. The Shroud of Turin is physical evidence of Christ's presence on Earth. It's also in this manner that the truth was manifested in the form of a book, representing the greater fractal across reality. The story is beyond our capacity for abstraction to understand in general. Notice how intelligence and knowledge is also a fractal. In your mind is a representation of the outside world, and predictions are simulations of it. I believe Christ rose, even if it's beyond our mental capacity to understand in what manner he resurrected and how.>> <<@dresinss says : You missed out on "Did Gump ever actually shake JFKs hand?">> <<@TahirKhan-dh2vz says : Are you the strongest because you are Gojo Or are you Gojo that's why you are the strongest? - JP in an Alternate Universe in JJK>> <<@tweegeTX3 says : 9:10 “Even if you don’t like the question.” Peterson: Thrives on the question, all the more because of it>> <<@sethmichelson556 says : Why does it matter 😂😂 damn>> <<@sethmichelson556 says : Probably 😂😂😂>> <<@sethmichelson556 says : Ur conversation about truth and natural selection towards self preservation just got me thinking. MONOGAMY to women since before sex men are almost blind it's safe to say that it's more beneficial to women to sleep around but what makes them do this in discretion is the fact that once men know what and who you've done it with. In our minds you have become a one for all and all for one kinda girl and that devalues said Woman. This will later prove a problem later when she needs to secure a man for roots since women need security.>> <<@4runninsgv says : Alex just destroying these religious apologists 😅>> <<@DavidGeorge-nm5ri says : “The tiger in the bush could be one of those times that believing something false is justifiable”. The thing with this comment is that the scenario involves you as an outsider deciding what “truth” is to him. How do you know there isn’t someone with a higher consciousness above you telling you that you’ve got truth wrong? It’s regressive!>> <<@laborkawplecy says : Matthew 5-37 "But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.">> <<@jenniferlechner4154 says : As an atheist, I have to say that the statement "it doesn't matter whether Christianity is literally true or not" is absolutely absurd. It's the opposite of the truth. If Jesus died for our sins, and we get either an eternity of bliss or an eternity of torture depending on what we believe about that, then NOTHING else matters. A successful life, prosperous family, saving the world from war... none of it compares to an eternity of consequences. Both his wife and his daughter are strongly-believing literalist Christians. I don't see how he can be so blind to the reality of how people think about Christianity.>> <<@lencoia7214 says : Science has verified miracles. Atheists refuse to look at the science or simply reject it because they can't explain it. The greatest and most fascinating miracles of our lifetime are the Eucharistic miracles of the Catholic Church. Unleavened bread turning into human heart tissue that show signs of extreme torture.>> <<@tatelindley9005 says : Having a clear understanding of objective reality is maybe THE necessity for survival in an objective reality, though.>> <<@kazhemian says : I didnt really respect Alex O'connor much before this video, I always saw him as someone with an opinion that would not accept anything else but his own opinion before this video, BUT after this video, I see him as a very reasonable person trying to "get to the bottom of" one of the most important and influencial questions/ideas of our age. This was a great video and very eye opening for my own opinion development on such an evident subject. Thank you to you both.>> <<@mladenstific2459 says : Many of the stories absolutely change in meaning depending on whether they are allegories or witness accounts. Especially if they are written down in the form of a witness account. If somebody told you the story of the Red Riding Hood in the format of what they witnessed last week, would it not have a dramatically different meaning than it does as an allegory? Somebody tells you something utterly incredible happened in the same language in which they would describe a regular event, and you find it irrelevant if they are telling the truth and focus on its allegorical aspect?>> <<@ambinintsoahasina says : I don't know anymore at this point whether JP actually knows what he is doing and just ignoring it or he actually is not aware about how unnecessarily convoluted he talks when answering a simple question.>> <<@robert1982x says : J.P uses all his intelligence to not answer clear questions>> <<@Mr.Jam222 says : Is the carnivore diet driving Jordan insane? He seems agitated>> <<@MattBronwyn says : Whatever your feelings on JP or Alex, it is nice to see thoughtful discussions being had on substantive topics. More of this please, algorithm.>> <<@duncanwalduck7715 says : at about 5:30 ...and reflecting on "What does it mean?": religion as "meme" /(or is it and/also)/ truth - I aquired and memorized this phrase, which I believe came from a [non-excommunicant] Episcopal, or more likely Magisterial source, that: "The first three chapters of Genesis do not contain a historical account in the modern sense, but rather... convey the essential truths pre-supposed for the economy of salvation. \" I'll leave the Google-fu (and the parsing) to you. [And, btw, I'm delighted to have been reminded here of the name Terry Eagleton, who wrote a book I once had in my (known) possession which I have been hankering after re-locating to re-read (and if not, armed with that knowledge as a seed, there are still book vendors who could re-furbish me with a fresh copy, I hope.)]>> <<@jamesb3289 says : This really shows the intellectual madness or ignorance of Peterson. He goes too far in deconstructing the biblical stories as mythological meaning. And the last comment about Christians having s meraphysic that isnt Christian is utterly false. Such a meraphysics is Christian because it comes from the true God who made this world and has revealed what is and is not real. Peterson cannot face the truth of these historical events because it woula ala Romans 1 shatter the follish illusion he is living under and force him to face his sibfulness before a Holy God. He is the very prime example of “in claiming to be wise thry became fools”.>> <<@willwerly5600 says : Former Christian. 23years of truly believing. And no ill will towards religion. With that said, for Christ’s sake…I love how convenient it is for JP to just casually redefine what religion is according to him. Again, no dog in this fight but to my former self, the convicted believer, what an insult and a slap in my face and every strong follower I knew. Must be nice to be on the pedestal he’s on to preach his gospel. The gospel according to Jordan Peterson. Ya gotta give it to the man, it sells. But ain’t no gospel Im familiar with over decades of following. Just like Dawkins speaking on religion, JP is a great educator in psychology, but has no business in this field either.>> <<@angryretailbanker5103 says : “Why does it matter if it’s historically true or not?” Because all the rules that Christianity wants its followers (and the rest of us, whether we like it or not) to follow stem from the credibility of the rule giver, God. His credibility comes from his alleged infallibility; the idea that every word, action, and dictate from him is unquestionably correct. The stories and texts of the Bible, collectively, are the argument for God’s infallibility. They are, to put in court trial terms, the facts of the case. If nothing in the Bible (or Torah or Koran) is true in the sense that it historically took place, then what argument is there for God’s infallibility? And from there, the credibility of his rules and commandments? And from there, any reason I should follow any of it? If they’re not historically true, they’re just stories. And stories have value, don’t get me wrong. But anyone can make up stories at any time.>> <<@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 says : i disagree with the initial comment about intelligence and evolution: in order to achieve the best surviveability, it makes perfect sense for intelligence to give you the most "real" conclusions. if you don't know how things are, how can you prepare for them?>> <<@theDanishMermaid says : Alex is brilliant, wow❤>> <<@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 says : a rare highly intellectual video on youtube! i like it, and i got here completely by accident!>> <<@gregrice1354 says : Mr. Peterson, please refrain from speaking as an authoritative Christian apologist, without even having the knowledge of the name or category of evidence Christian apologetics. You reveal yourself to be a self aggrandizing, publicity seeking narcissist - which necessarily betrays any possible mature relationship with the God of the Bible. You present yourself here as an ass. Your motives are not clear, except as attempting to pursue continued public discussion with the young anti-Christian, Alex O'Connor. In this situation, you appear to be fawning or patronizing and manipulative figure, seeking more public discussion time, by means of extending discussion, whatever the rationale you use. Basically, you have already established that you are deceptive if not intentionally dishonest and misrepresenting your familiarity with the well established forms of scholarship related to God and His Scripture. It has not been established that Mr. O'Connor even has completed a bachelor level college degree, yet he presents himself as authoritative or well-studied voice of credible challenge to evidence based resurrection of Yeshua the Messiah, foretold from the oldest Scriptures, Job and the Tanakh.>> <<@JonathonKreinberg says : The last point about Christians misunderstanding metaphysics has some truth and some error to it. If we were to conflate history to material, then surely it is true that's its meaning is insignificant. But just as I am not mere material, so as well is not my beloved. In other words we know that other people literally exist in the same way we exist. Love which fits like a key into our nature requires that. Hence, the significance in Christ historically walking this earth is that he actually exists in the same way our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends, etc. exist. It is not a question driven by materialism. It's like looking in your father's eyes and wondering if he exists. He exists, anyone who has common sense knows he does.>> <<@moscafantasma_play says : Someone give this Man a dictionary!😂😂😂>>