<<@Randomhumaan
says :
So what kind of person believes that everyone should be entitled the rules of the game? Edit: I’m talking about tax and legal loopholes that only the elite and ultra wealthy “get away with”. It seems that people only care about not relying on the government when THEY aren’t in that desperation
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<<@LeftCoins
says :
Freedom requires material conditions
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<<@JD-os2kr
says :
Cool, enjoy your delusional analysis
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<<@SODSigma6789
says :
Revolution is what is required. This will require a viable third party candidate. We can’t just keep shuffling around Republicans and Democrats anymore. George Carlin called it over 30 years ago…..”garbage in, garbage out”.
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<<@alex_rose3930
says :
Nah, the problem with so many of them is that they have no problem to allign with something incredibly statist as a republican
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<<@IlIentente
says :
Herc aspect needs the geb treatment where he smacks boulders with his club at people, replace his shoulder charge with an ability that throws his teammate, his pull with a big knock up in a line and enemies close to him get yeeted away, his stim with a stacking damage buff instead of a heal and finally... his ult should be that he can pick any character and throw them for a guaranteed crit on the enemy thrown and susbsequent targets, or if its an ally thrown, they get damage mitigation for a short duration. :)
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<<@tarotqueen9118
says :
"Revolutionary anarchy" Dont threaten me with a good time!
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<<@YirelOfDarkness
says :
And the Liberals struggle with defining what a Woman is 😭
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<<@CowboyWill3
says :
He missed on this one. Law and order, societal structure and rules that prevent anarchy are supported by Libertarian Right. We are not anarchists.
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<<@joshuamoore8042
says :
Absolutely not!!! You are 100% wrong. Libertarians do have rules. The limits of your freedom is when you interfere with another person’s freedom and the rules of society should only govern what happens when you infringe on another’s rights.
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<<@DanHBExplained
says :
Freedom has no definition without it's minimum rules. A lack of belief in the free market is a lack of belief of the concept of freedom itself.
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<<@JohnDoe-gq6yg
says :
My view is this, libertarianism is really an ideal, in practice it just means the minimum amount of government intervention in the lives of citizens as possible and streamlined, reduced government spending and by extension taxation along with the focus of said spending being on the country instead of foreign aid for everyone under the sun.
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<<@RaisonDetre96
says :
The biggest thing about libertarian detractors is that they almost always mischaracterize libertarian positions. Grifter Peterson is no exception.
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<<@alterangel
says :
No. Its not that "everything will work out for the best". It's that everyone will be more free. And what is "best" for you, may not be "best" for me. So let's have more freedom to choose what's "best" for each of us.
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<<@whade62000
says :
Oh this clown. As if I'd accept any advice from Peterson on anything
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<<@OpalsJones
says :
this is a bad take. there are rules in the free market.
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<<@Dan-wi3mq
says :
It sounds like peterson is confusing libertarianism with anarchism.
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<<@reichen609
says :
Wow... he's still alive... Why.... 😕
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<<@javierbayon741
says :
Damn people are dumb, the thing about not having a working government is that people will take advantage of the "freedom" of choice and will exploit people with less resources that's why the US is governed by big companies and Epsteins in the back and people are so dumb to blame the government. If you're government is weak it's the people's choice for it to be that way, also when you base your entire ideology on hating everything about communism, don't be surprised to eventually find yourself working 16 hours a day without weekends and if you think that won't happen to you because everything work out eventually just remember how car companies or maybe other sectors act with competitors who want a share in the market
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<<@libertarianesque8645
says :
I am truly disappointed that Jordan Peterson would stoop to this level of strawmanning. Libertarian's do not believe we should have no rules at all. Just those which prevent fraud or harm to others. We agree that unless theft and assault are punished, society is impossible. Pretending all Libertarians are anarchists is intellectually dishonest. No one is saying what Peterson here claims they are saying.
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<<@Paul_The_Beav
says :
Everyone wants to judge other parties based on the dumbest members and their own party based on the smartest members. Of course there are lots of dumb libertarians. Now try debating Rand Paul.
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<<@TwilightxKnight13
says :
What most analysts fail to acknowledge is that most people are not radical members of any political party. Even Peterson, who I generally agree with, falls into the trap of painting the moderate majority with the same broad brush as the radical fringes. Whether they be the classic liberal, the traditional conservative, or an "enlightened" libertarian, the majority of people exist in the moderate middle with "leanings." Most liberals do not believe in restricted speech even though the radical progressives want to ban so-called hate speech. Most conservatives do not want prayer in public schools even though the radical right keeps pushing it. Most Libertarians don't want open/unrestricted immigration and completely unregulated drug legality even though the radical anarchists do. The difference between people is their leaning. I lean away from liberal because their their platform is too steeping in entitlements and I believe in a more Darwinism approach. Adults do not need the government to protect them from their own stupidity. I lean away from conservatives because their platform is too steeped in religion and I do not believe in the existence of a divine being. They are too eager to foist their personal morality on others. I lean towards Libertarianism because personal liberty as the foundation of our country is paramount to me. I want the strongest possible adherence to personal freedom and liberty that we can manage. I am not opposed to some government regulation, but we have waaay too much of it. Our founding fathers did not expect the rampant bureaucracy we have due to congresses' delegation powers that has generated more than 100,000 pages of regulations most of which have never received congressional scrutiny. I am a moderate Libertarian and proud of it. I do not have to embrace the most radical Libertarian ideals to be one. I certainly do not support an utter lack of laws and complete anarchy. That is as idiotic as to suggest that just because someone is Liberal that they support Communist/Socialist USSR, or that just because someone is conservative they believe that there should be no entitlement programs of any kind and everyone should be required to attend church on Sunday.
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<<@andreosincero
says :
That's why most of the libertarian work it's to transform the word culturally. I can say that 2 + 2 is 4 but if you punch me until I say it's not what does it matter? Every rule must be comprehended and accepted it doesn't have to be imposed to make sense. What is the worst scenario possible if everyone do not violete the private property of each other? In the end, it's not necessary that everyone accept it but just enough people to protect themselves against the ones that doesn't understand it.
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<<@r.a.a.6472
says :
Yeah he needs to study the Nash Balance consequences
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<<@AntonGardner-o7l
says :
Limited government ≠ no government
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<<@CrashoutEconomist
says :
That’s why I have a libertarian Hoppean Physical removal is based.
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<<@MoehnkeMediaGroup
says :
I would honestly love to sit and have a conversation with you and discuss and debate libertarian ideas.
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<<@MoehnkeMediaGroup
says :
I would say the libertarian far-right that's why I consider myself a conservative libertarian because I believe in the fundamental role of government but I believe and see in action how the voluntary assimilation of people under shared ideas are able to be more effective and targeted with their approach at less cost. I do agree and have been cautious of the anarchist ideology that says hey you are responsible for your own safety and Security, add that we don't have a unified culture. When we have to agree to a fundamentalist ideology that allows for the free choice and determination while not allowing for evil to proliferate and to take advantage of the innocent.
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<<@stuartdarkin
says :
How can EVERYONE agree on the rules? Ever?? That’s surely impossible because we literally live in chaos and try to make order within it. Leadership should be scrutinised as much as possible at all times by all of us, that’s the only chance of a democracy. Not equality of outcome, equality of opportunity, natural hierarchy predicated on kindness as the main aim, kindness ruling overall. If it involves a case of cruel to be kind then kindness AND human affection that isn’t faked should immediately follow. Like Jordan always says, aiming up in all possible domains. The leadership we need in the world today to govern humanity should start with the questions of existence in mind, there IS standard of fairness and it’s called common sense, which is why we’re not all killing each other. And the main aim of humanity should be overall life satisfaction rising, which has a lot of room to grow right now. Peterson is right about the call to adventure, but the boredom and fear of life should be accounted for at every step along the way of said adventure.
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<<@Dermedvegy
says :
Libertarians nowadays are just social darwinist, tryint to hide their cruelty behind the mask of freedom
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<<@leeshaw6641
says :
Im leaving more Friedman on this one.
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<<@MMZKKFM
says :
There are only Libertarians. We do not see Left or Right because both are 'wrong'.
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<<@carlomalabanan
says :
That is why I support small government that could decide whatever style of governance they want to be imposed, as opposed to big government where a bigger decision will affect everyone. That is why freedom of choice and markets should not be imposed at every level of governance.
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<<@mikekell920
says :
can someone do a squeaky voice cave edit?
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<<@anarchy_burger_
says :
We need rules very minimal rules. Ya can’t kill somebody, ya can’t let’s say force yourself on somebody, and ya can’t steal, ya can’t do nothing to kids or dogs, and ya can’t defraud nobody. It’s simplicity that we need. Stay out of our lives other than these simple rules. No more obligatory rules about how your car is not inspected or you’re not wearing a helmet on your Harley. Stop them from becoming invasive and we’re all set.
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<<@celiaescalante
says :
Sounds vulgar. 🤔
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<<@bumrumblr
says :
Well yeah if you're looking at something like Hoppean libertarianism. The problem with libertarianism is that none of us agree with eachother.
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<<@arxligion
says :
To remove order is to force people to seek it out
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<<@lloydgriffin8905
says :
The opposite is true, We have chaos and lawlessness right now, we don’t have one moral standard for all. Somehow we are able to do some voodoo magic and a small group of people called the state are granted authority to be above the law and and morality. We also have endless legislation and “law” that assaults natural law on a daily basis.
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<<@LordLibertas
says :
Have you read Hoppe?
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<<@kanyinojo83
says :
The drip is crazy.
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<<@Fernando420-x
says :
There’s a difference between libertarianism and anarchy! Libertarianism involves personal freedom to do what we want as long as we’re not hurting anybody, and if you got a problem with that then u need to mind ur damn business! Anarchy on the other hand, is just a bunch of chaos
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<<@xflightenjoyer
says :
this is because your exposure to libertarians is chase oliver and not hans hoppe
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<<@thegrassisgreener576
says :
Anarchy is not a real concept, the concept is propaganda aimed to suppress anti-establishment talk.
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<<@speedb4ll
says :
they only care about taking advantage of others to maximize profits
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<<@SmartCreeper
says :
This applies to every society... Why are their no real arguments against libertarianism?
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<<@jesseward568
says :
I just don't get 'libertarians'. They support tarrifs and state violence
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<<@TyrDeer
says :
If the traitors are so illiterate they can’t read the constitution that’s their problem.
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<<@RaincloudTheDragonXD
says :
Who says I care what the outcomes are? I’m not a Utilitarian. Liberty matters more than any statistical outcome. “Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.” - Jefferson
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<<@Malikav0311
says :
Libertarians fail at the most fundamental of sociological understanding that even the romans figured out thousands of years ago. The absolute cap on the size of a community that can self police through social cohesion without an outside authority enforcing the rules is 150-200. This is so overwhelmingly studied and aknowledged that there is zero counter argument.
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