Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@charklikeiscool says : 1:40 The rational basis I use for morality, as an atheist, is does this action cause or alleviate suffering? It really is that simple. I’m not saying that religion’s morals are wrong or incorrect, however I AM saying that I don’t think God’s “moral”. The concept of Hell in and of itself is disgusting and cruel. A diety whom threatens a fate such as THAT upon his creations shouldn’t be beloved and trusted by all; he should be hated and condemned for such a terrible and (in my opinion) incorrect moral compass.>> <<@TheFettuck says : God is very cruel according to the observable universe.>> <<@jamgill9054 says : Atheism is neither a philosophy, world view or 'logical' philosophy. It simply is a response to 'does a god exist'. nothing more. Atheist do not deny evil exists. You just need to look to religion for that. Also, evil exists because - people have different wants, needs and beliefs. The least moral people I've ever known were found during my religious period. Why? Because I can be forgiven anything! Atheist are responsible for their own actions or at least held to a societal standard of moral behavior. The rational basis for morals is enhancing the collective good while minimizing the collective bad. It is a survival instinct brought about through evolution. Who cares what the Russian people think. That is their culture, their beliefs have no impact on beliefs in say, Mexico. Mr. Lennox is right in one regard, atheism doesn't remove suffering. But neither does religion. Religion only offers, "you are suffering because you aren't any good. You are fallen. You will never be any good". I prefer to live in the real world and realize that sometimes, bad things happen. This too shall pass.>> <<@RobertSmith-gx3mi says : Your opinion on atheism doesn't make your magical assertions about the characters in books you worship any more true.>> <<@jaycdp says : Religion, politicians and atheists all created a huge hell on earth, on the hand the atheists created atom bombs, and chemical and biological weapons. You know that hell will let loose soon when the war breaks out. It is the religious people who polluted the environment of the mind, and politicians polluted the global environment, all leading to perfect hell. So the devil and his religions from the last 5000 years since Abraham created this mess. Now this globe has to be destroyed and created again so that gods can live on this planet again>> <<@vinnymarchegiano says : Humans are moral, well some, but there are a million ways to die. That's just the way it is. GAWD is an illogical concept. Rational Justification Requires Falsification. If any claim cannot be falsified or demonstrated it is not true. Athiesm doesn't make a positive claim. Athiesm is a rejection of a claim because it cannot be falsified or demonstrated. How many claims do you believe that cannot falsified or demonstrated substantiated on faith? Faith is a fool with no reason. Religion defies the rules of logic that demonstrate objectivity because they do not comport with reality. Virgins don't have babies, the earth wasn't created in 6 days, and an all knowing gawd wouldn't allow prayer if it has volition. GAWD is intellectual dishonesty❤>> <<@alicedeen720 says : Good grief John and Frank - shoot me know. Painful people. People made up gods in an old book that says a thing. You guys make money off these childhood indoctrinated believers pure and simple. It's a con on a con.>> <<@Saturn_the_Great says : Whether there is or isn’t a God, there is a rational basis for morality.>> <<@macysondheim says : Very deceptive and disingenuous… one has to wonder what type of deprived, nefarious activities are going on between these 2 behind closed doors…. Also from what I can see the rather unscrupulous folk in the comment section here… Same goes for you ppl….>> <<@georgemonde8237 says : If God does not exist everything is not permissable, athiests don't go around doing anything they want .>> <<@georgemonde8237 says : Nobody denied that evil exists>> <<@anushkasekkingstad1300 says : Among the abject nonsense spouted forth by this ill informed individual is the ridiculous claim that “ an atheistic worldview must permit all behaviours without a way to judge what is good or evil”. My mother is strongly atheist, one of Europe’s most senior judges and has no difficulty at all in recognising evil and dealing with it appropriately. Also strongly atheist, I spend a significant part of my professional life prosecuting christian clergy, charged with rape and other heinous crimes against innocent children, foolishly entrusted to their care. The evil of organised religion is abundantly clear.>> <<@anushkasekkingstad1300 says : Unlike the religious, who form groups of similarly indoctrinated bigots, commonly claiming moral superiority to the rest of us, atheists, outside the deeply dysfunctional US at least, are simply individuals who independently of each other, don’t subscribe to the nonsensical belief in invisible sky fairies, able to suspend the laws of nature at will. Why anyone might imagine that I have some responsibility to explain why there is evil in the world, is beyond explanation. It’s interesting to observe that the moist functional and socially cohesive of the worlds nations, such as the Nordic nations, are generally secular nations where the vast majority of its citizens don’t believe in the nonsense of “gods” In contrast, deeply dysfunctional countries such as the US, Saudi and Turkey, lack social cohesion and tolerance, with poorly educated, heavily indoctrinated citizens prepared to indulge in displays of religious extremism, fanaticism and warmongering in support of their nonsensical superstition. Spending much of my professional life prosecuting christian clergy for rape and other heinous crimes against innocent children, foolishly entrusted to their care, I regard christian religions as some of the most evil organisations ever to darken life on this planet.>> <<@IncenseSnifferr says : You are either ignorant or lying if you claim that most atheists don't say outright, that God doesn't exist.>> <<@JesusmyGodandKing724 says : This Guys is Saying Facts Atheism is False And Unlogical And Know I'm Being Biased I'ma Christian So Deal With it>> <<@bobross2593 says : lennox set up his own question is such a way that benefits him and him only, What he is talking about and calling an illogical philosophy is nihilism, which is 100 percent different from atheism. Nihilism is the belief that there is no purpose to life, no good, no evil, and that since everything exists for no reason, there is no purpose to anything. Atheism on the other hand is not a belief at all. In fact, its the opposite. Atheism is the lack of belief in a higher being, so the only illogical thing about this video is lennox trying to say that atheism is what its not.>> <<@dheer33 says : He's a true Christian and also a gentleman.>> <<@TallSilentGuy says : Atheists do NOT deny the existence of evil. If anything they only disagree as to how and why it exists. Strawman argument FAIL: ✅>> <<@the_alchemy_method says : Question - is someone who doesn’t believe in creation by definition an atheist or an evolutionist?>> <<@noneofyourbusiness7055 says : Isn't it great how the biggest proponents of your movement also tend to be the biggest dishonest cretins and liars, and that's not even _just_ the countless creationists in it? It's called lying for Jesus for a reason...>> <<@asianhippy says : If the bible is true, isn't it amazing just how much god has failed humanity.>> <<@lightbeforethetunnel says : Atheists conflate their beliefs with "facts" *constantly* . They're so dogmatic they can't even recognize their own dogmatism... because they assume their faith-based Scientism beliefs ARE factual. They illogically and unscientifically dismiss the valid possibility any current scientific consensus could be wrong if any of the limitations apply. Dogmatic Scientism is a much, much more significant problem than most realize. To me, Dogmatic Scientism is clearly public enemy #1. There would be no Atheism without it.>> <<@macdona50 says : John Lennox proceeds to totally misrepresent Dawkins and many atheists , erecting a strawman that he proceeds to spectacularly demolish, congratulations on a job well done.>> <<@jaclo3112 says : Love these videos. Hysterical, irrational, illogical, lying old men showing the world why Christianity is dying fast. Keep up the good work.>> <<@drooghead says : Mischaracterising atheism in order to set up strawman arguments is dishonest in the extreme. Atheism makes no positive claims. It merely means that an atheist is unconvinced that your deity exists due to the non-existent good evidence to the contrary. Any other things you claim atheists represent is an underhanded way to make your beliefs look better despite the absolutely horrible morality presented in the bible. Shame on you.>> <<@SpaceLordof75 says : Wow. That’s not what Dawkins was talking about. Mr. Lennox, you should know what Dawkins meant with that quote. Terrible. And it’s nice that you complain about atheism being illogical, but don’t give a hint as to why you think that. Is your line of reasoning hard to explain?>> <<@kjejon1 says : Hasn't failed me...a video of intentional misrepresentations of atheism, as expected though. A dung heap of lies.>> <<@darrylelam256 says : 0:04 Not even 5 seconds into this video and they are trying to strawman atheism. Atheism is not a philosophy, it never has been and it never will be. When will these losers learn to stop attacking positions that don't exist?>> <<@cuts250 says : BUT Athiests tell me that Atheism is not a philosophy, what more sources can I get to study that it is a philosophy?>> <<@bohem5568 says : LOL,..First, it is a false assumption already predetermined and predicated by a certain belief in a God. Who is to say that a morality isn't an innate aspect of all animals? And/or an aspect merely cultivated in the human mind and civilization over time? Certainly, in history we see how people's views of morality have changed in regards to what is accepted or considered "evil". Certainly, we see different views of morality in different places. Certainly, we even see diverse interpretations of "morality" within the believers adhering to/following the same scriptures and texts and how various aspects have changed over time.>> <<@iishadowii7477 says : When I was in deep Depression the book of Eclesiastes helped me recover. It's hard to argue with very intellectual atheists and their very valid reasons to not believe in gods. But something inside me can't make sense of how our deep emotions and what we care about are simply came from 2 atoms colliding. There has to be something more.>> <<@colinmatts says : Watching these pair, I am reminded of Statler and Waldorf from the Muppet Show. Anyone remember?>> <<@teejah7785 says : I see Dr J Lennox and I click happily to listen and learn!>> <<@peterrumi2556 says : John Lennox is not so clever. A very simple man..>> <<@Nai61a says : Misrepresenting atheists and atheism is not a way to persuade people that you are honest.>> <<@DaveCarterAL says : As an Atheist, I do not accept god claims, none have been shown as true, morals come from us in our minds, how we want to be treated, and hope others treat us. Almost all Christians can be shown they obey their own "morals" over a written text, when you ask them if they Agree with Slavery and then when they say no show them what the bible says in Exodus 21, and they for the most part all say Will I WOULD NEVER own slaves, which is a better "Moral" than that their book has.>> <<@kindnessfirst9670 says : Believing in some of the estimated 8,000 to 12,000 gods is logical but not believing in something there is no evidence of is illogical? That makes no sense.>> <<@boboclown3435 says : I couldn't be atheist because i have felt our comforter i felt their arm around me that i slept for the first ever peacefully and have never had peace like that again>> <<@JustZackster says : “Atheism is a hopeless philosophy but i also see it as an illogical philosophy” at least he admits that it’s the way he sees it. Atheism isn’t a philosophy, it’s a lack of belief. It’s not even a belief system. The word itself literally means without a god. If you go from there you’ll find many different philosophies practiced by atheists. Just like you’ll find many Christians who practice different philosophies>> <<@atheist3765 says : We totally know what evil is.>> <<@babhag5481 says : Golden Rule. Did Jesus steal from other religions? Apparently he borrowed it from Old Testament..... How so? Code of Hammurabi predates OT.>> <<@brabbelbeest says : This is what happens if you debate atheism between two theists with not an atheist in sight. It allows you to misrepresent atheism within the first second of your argument and then continue on this false premise... Right of the bat Frank claims that for atheists there is no such thing as good or evil, but this statement is already false. Because for atheists there most definitely is good and evil, but these are subjective labels, where theists will claim they are objective. The whole discussion is whether morality is subjective or objective. As many appologists they confuse denying morality as a objective standard with denying morality as a whole, which simply isn't true. And this whole video builds upon that misconception.... Not believing morality is objective doesn't mean atheists cannot label things as good or evil, they still can. But when they do so, they recognize it as a personal judgement and not an absolute position. Things I consider evil, others might find justified and visa versa the same. So basically both Turek and Lennox are criticizing a position here that atheism doesn't hold, which is called a strawman argument...>> <<@Heavenly.Ministries says : Hi>> <<@Tasp-u7j says : What ignorant nonsense is said in this video... The video somehow confirms the stereotype of the theist that fails to provide good evidence for their claims and instead focuses on slandering and badmouthing those who disagree.>> <<@Pray-4-Me says : Bad idea , being an atheist.>> <<@garyb2552 says : "I couldn't be an atheist because ...XYZ , but my invisible magic man explains everything".>> <<@MajinManbhaKun says : God never created evil and suffering he created love but love comes from the heart you cannot force someone to love which is why he gave us free will, the power to choose, either to love God or not but due to this people abuses their free will and chose to hurt and hate others, it is us humans who created all the suffering in the world and yet still he sacrificed his only son Jesus Christ and by his blood our sins are washed for those who believe in him shall enter his kingdom and have eternal life>> <<@tonycallender7670 says : My lord its santa.. hear we go again xd>> <<@thespiritofhegel3487 says : No rational basis for morality without God? Why does it need a rational basis?>> <<@newcreationinchrist1423 says : Isaiah 32:17 “And the effect of righteousness will be peace, and the result of righteousness, quietness and trust forever.”>>