Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@thecarlitosshow7687 says : Jordan Peterson makes a similar argument!>> <<@dcdreamwake7 says : Frank Turekis a demo promoting the Occult.>> <<@sarah3759 says : Good Fight Ministries does a true biblical exposé called “Marvel & DC’s war on God”. You can find them on youtube or there website -marveldcexposed 2Thessalonians 2:11-12 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.>> <<@whhehejjwhwhwh4794 says : “there was only one Christian, he died on the cross” "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.">> <<@glang5154 says : Only soccer moms are concerned with these types of depiction of powers in media; magic is NOT real, especially in fantasy. What, because a character can fly or throw a hadouken doesn't mean they are drawing on satanic powers to do so – or that we can do the same – each fiction has its own in-universe law and explanation for its "magic". Magic in the real world is a form of made-up ritual for a person to feel in control of their lives; it doesn't have any real effect other than placebo on the user's head, or nocebo on a suggestionable receptor. Here where I live we have many sects of voodoo (among other things) each of them thinking they have the power to do a certain harm or good to individuals, and each using their own distinct ritual and explanation. It is forbidden in the Bible because it confuses the user, making them think they can control their fate, or the elements; in a way making them feel they can save themselves and be God. If you cannot enjoy a movie or a book for what it is without having it overlap with real-world convictions and ideas, you just make the rest of us Christians look bad.>> <<@glennjohn3919 says : I would recommend watching Good Fight Ministries Marvel and DC exposed. It promotes the gospel while exposing the evil behind a lot of these hero characters.>> <<@LeonKerkdijk says : If you're against Cross Examined using movies as a springboard to evangelize the Gospel, you would also have to be against Paul using a pagan altar as springboard to evangelize the Gospel on Mars Hill. Speaking at the Areopagus, he says, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you” (Acts 17:23–24).>> <<@LeonKerkdijk says : Still not a big fan of Harry Potter, but they do have a point. The problem is not the word, it’s what the word might mean. What most people call “witchcraft” or "magic" and what you see in movies or read in books is actually foreign to the Bible. Harry Potter’s version of magic, for instance, is more like the Force from Star Wars or the “bending” abilities from Avatar: The Last Airbender. It’s explicitly NOT something involving demons or Satan. These kinds of “witches” are totally different from what the Bible means when it refers to sorcery, magic, and divination. Now, that doesn’t necessarily mean all of those stories are A-OK for all people at all times. It’s fair to say that if a person’s not careful about such things, they can get confused about what’s real and what’s not. If someone had that issue, these kinds of stories could potentially affect their faith. But it is a matter of conviction more than anything else. The Bible definitely condemns all kinds of witchcraft, sorcery and spiritism (Deuteronomy 18:10-11), but that is a rule for real life—not necessarily in entertainment like books, movies, plays, etc. Still, the things we watch/read can have a pretty powerful effect on us, can't it? Movies and books can make us laugh, cry, or even believe in things we normally wouldn't. Harry Potter books and movies also don't have a very morally-positive worldview. The lines between good and bad are often hazy. For example, in the books, Harry, who is supposed to be a good guy, is one of the biggest liars ever, and most of the time, it turned out that lying was the best choice in that situation. Not exactly a good role model for life. Still, that doesn't mean that there is nothing positive to say about Harry Potter. Friendship, courage, loyalty, justice, and self-sacrifice are all themes that get explored throughout the stories. In fact, Harry's own mother died trying to save him. (Spoiler: That's how he got his famous lightning bolt scar.) Also, as bleak as things get for our heroes, good always wins over evil in the end. Harry faces his darkest fears and learns to be courageous and selfless. These are definitely godly traits (John 15:13)! We could go through every popular fantasy movie and give you a breakdown of the pros and cons, but what it really comes down to is this question: Are you personally able to distinguish between reality and fantasy, right and wrong, or good and evil? Would exposure to stories that involve magic or the supernatural leave you confused about God's views about the occult and/or demons or enchant you enough that you become desensitized to occult lifestyles? If you're not sure, then it might be good to skip magical or supernatural books and movies—at least until your faith is stronger. If you are firmly grounded in your belief in God and you know how He feels about the themes in fantasy books or movies, then it is possible that you could read/watch movies like Harry Potter as mere entertainment and still know in confidence that it will not influence your faith in God. Unlike much fantasy, such as the realm of Harry Potter, Narnia is another world—a separate creation from ours. In Narnia, what we would call "magic" is simply part of the created order (the wardrobe is actually from Narnia too, as you can read in The Magician's Nephew). Thus, the mythic elements are used as a vehicle to tell a bigger story, not to promote falsehood in the real world. And the wizards in The Lord of the Rings actually represent angels.>> <<@frankcardano4142 says : Jesus is no more real than any of these other superhero’s that the human psyche aspires to. We’ll make an atheist out of you Frank. You are on your way there.>> <<@monkeyandtangerines3621 says : Harry potter movies promotes witchcraft and black magic and sorcery, occults and many form of witchcraft.......... Some people actually got into black magic due to these movies Im pretty sure these movies are a no no Hollywood is sinful and wicked Always taking the Lord's name in vain and cursing him and cursing Even pg 13 movies have strong curse words.....>> <<@Ke-na-le-Moemedi says : This is very disappointing..When satan tried to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, satan quoted a verse from the Bible. False prophets/teachers quote from the Bible. Point is, if the overall theme is not biblical (e.g. the occult/homosexuality/transgenderism/lust and sexual immorality) - it doesn't matter how many Bible verses are quoted in that book/film. That's like saying if a porn film has Bible verses and teaches that good wins over evil, then it's okay to watch it. Given a choice, would you shop for food in a supermarket or a dumpster? Looking for traces of godliness and God's word in occult themed books/films is like going to a dumpster. Quoting 2 Bible verses in an occultist themed book/film doesn't mean it's good for teaching about godliness.>> <<@joshuakohlmann9731 says : What is this with some Christians and the "occult"? The Bible is the most occult book ever written!>> <<@temporaryaccount5307 says : Ur guest doesn’t know whatevs talking about. Rowling admitted theres a large fraction of real spells are in the movies.>> <<@jessebryant9233 says : Anyone seen the series from Good Fight Ministries...>> <<@SharpCats371 says : What he described is how sexual predators operate in conditioning others to an ideology, belief or behaviour which then opens the door to acceptance thereof and then acting on it and or disregarding Christian/Judeo principles.>> <<@LK2.O says : This is wickedness! Anything out of Hollywood should be avoided.>> <<@aperez3638 says : Y’all should watch Good fight ministries. They actually talk about the truth about these superheroes. Aka false gods. Also little light studios. I appreciate this ministry but this is not it.>> <<@ladyhumblebee2784 says : "If it's not real what are we so afraid of?" If you look at a woman with lust you commit adultery in your heart. You don't have to really be with this woman to sin. You don't really have to be doing the magic to want to do it or want the entertainment above God Fantasy, thoughts, entertainment, these things lead to sin and can be sin in themselves. Stop treating sin like it's no big deal. Or that you don't have to fear it or God. I'm not saying to hide in a corner and never watch anything, but read the Bible more and use discernment. I don't think people do this enough to handle this type of entertainment maturely>> <<@ladyhumblebee2784 says : Of course no one says this directly but they're glorifying it. As someone who used to be a witch that read Harry Potter before Christ redeemed me, wake up people! Wake up sleeper and Christ will shine upon you! Love for the world is enmity with God. I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember the verse. I strongly suggest we all read our Bibles more than entertain ourselves with TV, YouTube, any other social media, and especially Hollywood that loves to sneak in any nasty detail they can and make it seem okay for our eyes.>> <<@ladyhumblebee2784 says : The more I hear Frank and the more I listen to him downgrade I'm extremely disappointed.>> <<@ladyhumblebee2784 says : I HIGHLY RECOMMEND WATHCING GOOD FIGHT MINISTRIES DC MARVEL ANTI CHRIST AGENDA>> <<@MartTLS says : This is hilarious. Creationists lack the capability to differentiate between supernatural nonsense and reality .>> <<@nikokapanen82 says : A born again Christian would never distinguish Harry Potter from Lord of the rings or even Star Wars, it is all of the same spirit, same Godless black and white magic, so i have no idea what Zach is talking about. There is no Godly stuff in these movies, Gandalf is a wizard, an enemy of God, Yoda or Jedis, are a New Ager white magicians and no Christian suppose to like it or enjoy such movies.>> <<@cypresse1620 says : I never read the HP books but have watched all the movies. My knowledge of HP remains limited but the films have strong and clear Christian narrative. It’s imperative for kids to know that the world will always be dominated by both Good and evil, and that they will learn to choose, act upon their choice and sometimes make sacrifice for their choice. Most importantly is that Good triumphs in the end.>> <<@W34KN35S says : A question that needs to be asked and what I believe one of the points of this book presents is “are there any righteous or good moral values in these stories ?“ the answer is a resounding yes. Where does good come from ? God , so anything righteous or good in these stories mimics the nature ,righteousness and goodness of God. It’s really that simple. Some parents block their kids from anything dealing with fantasy, while others will be more open BUT actually discuss the good values presented and lead them towards God. Sean McDowell was having a discussion with Frank Turek earlier about a speaking arrangement he gave to kids and how he used superheroes like Spider-Man and his values to show how Spider-Man and similar heroes borrow them from God. Bottom line is , EVERYTHING good and righteous is Gods, when you tell people that broken people who also may exemplify some good moral values and righteousness are completely evil , you then come off as confusing , unbelievable, or misinformed. Evil doesn’t own the entirety of someone (good&bad)because they are broken , God owns all that is righteous and good, so let’s start teaching that and quit letting the world dictate who the owner of righteousness is.>> <<@Eric-si8ep says : There are few among Hollywood made stories that are not laced with the occult, freemasonry, kabbalah, etc. The harry potter triangle symbol is a classic example. The people who make these movies are supporting the androgynous rebellion against God. I don’t like harry potter but I confess, these things are often entertaining. Hollywood isn’t helping lead anyone to a saving knowledge of Christ. They need to be exposed, not defended.>> <<@johnjones393 says : Wow Frank, I'm really disappointed that you are promoting such a wicked book. Superhero movies and comics teach people that we don't need Jesus Christ but instead we should rely on false gods (Iron Man (the mixing of iron and clay), Batman, Superman (a gnostic version of Christ), Wonder Woman, the Norse god Thor, etc) to "save humanity." Star Wars uses the Force which is white and black magic. And Harry Potter is a Jesus figure? Really? Potter is a literal WIZARD that openly promotes witchcraft. Come on Frank! There's absolutely nothing Christian about movies or books that promote wicked trash like superheroes and wizards. What ever happened to teaching kids straight from the Bible without filtering it through something else to make it "interesting?" I thought you were better than this.>> <<@johnfroelich8554 says : In the storyline, Iron man is the son of the devil>> <<@Vintage_Tales_Studio says : Ask a 10 year old if magic seems real when they watch it on the screen. Some of these movies and shows can be a gateway. Do you know what a gateway is? It is a gateway to make magic seem pretty benign but a step toward this occult later in their life journey. Bewitched and I dream of Jeannie lead me into the occult. You need to be discerning before you advocate for something you don’t know anything about.>> <<@SI00000 says : With the resources available today literally for free, a Believer with a few million dollars can make a movie with CGI that rivals the first LOTR trilogy and even the Hobbit. Unreal Engine is a company whose software is behind the most advanced games and visual effects today. They offer their resources for free to anyone to use and only take about five percent of any profits over a million dollars. You can do today with a small team what Peter Jackson needed a hundred to do. You just need to network and make it happen.>> <<@kevinclint7588 says : WE LIVE IN A FALLEN WORLD,……….THE ENEMY DOES NOT HIDE ANYMORE,………HE KNOWS HIS TIME IS SHORT,………. AMEN>> <<@andrewdavis8076 says : One questions, "does it have to be presented as real for it to lead those who watch it away from the truth?" Why would one mix truth with lies, light with dark, good with bad. That is how one then begins to question what is truth. What was it that pilate said to Jesus in John 19:38 before walking out?>> <<@piegros says : Good>> <<@gordo191 says : Blessed SABBATH EVERONE !!!>> <<@JamesRichardWiley says : You are kidding, right?>> <<@CLDJ227 says : This is a good discussion to have. I think too many christians get legalistic and too strict about forbidden something like this without first looking into it to see if it's even as bad as we may think.>> <<@davidsinclair47 says : Phillipians 4:8 leads me to avoid many things in this world. We need to be extraordinarily careful with what we fill our minds with so be careful what Hollywood puts out and truly compare it to God's word.>> <<@sowingbird8845 says : Christians should read about the life and beliefs of JR Tolken and CS Lewis. Read some of what CS Lewis wrote. He did not sound like a born again Christian nor JR Tolken. The decernment is way off on a lot of the christians. Praying that their eyes will be opened and their hearts filled to overflowing with the word of God. When king Saul went to the witch he was going against God. Doing the things God said we should not do.>> <<@hansdemos6510 says : Isn't it just a generational thing? Some fundamentalist parents will always object to something that is not explicitly devotional and that has become so popular that they fear it will make their kids stray from what they believe is the right path. Perhaps they also fear that if their kids can understand that the magic in Harry Potter is fiction, that they will soon start to understand that the magic in the Bible is fiction as well.>> <<@Truthseeker-2023DA says : Who cares about allegorical humanistic and superhero stories when you have JESUS -the way, the truth, and the life. It’s a waste to theorize and delve deep into such lore. It only promotes the corrupt depraved minds of this world in relating some sort of moral lesson to the reality only born again believers know as fact.>> <<@gkardz4602 says : Magic isnt real. GOD is real.>> <<@Godlimate says : Okay but…. What about that bit where it’s not quite fiction but instead, it’s “demonic” and that “demons” are what drives these movies into hindering people’s walk with god? Especially movies like Harry Potter since it references a similar kind of sorcery from the false gods of the bible. I mean, even if it references god himself, some might interpret this as idolatry. I’m certain this is how Christianity treats other religions as well. They wouldn’t say “Islam is fiction” or “Hinduism is fiction”. It’s all under a demonic influence that idolises false gods. What’s the threshold people? If you like Spider-Man, bad luck it’s demonic?>> <<@anthonypowless1052 says : The occult is magic, "hp" is about teaching kids that 'they too' can learn magic and have 'fun adventures' it doesn't warn of the dangers nor tell them where this power comes from...the supernatural is real...read the Bible>> <<@Yipper64 says : Oh *this* debate. Yeah I agree with everything that's in here. Fiction is fiction. They are making these movies and such as portraying it as fiction. If it was like some kind of PSA then that would be a different story. Like a genuine "join the occult kids you can have real magic!" thing. Not that it doesnt *kind of* happen sometimes. there's this one show called Hilda that actually uses ideas from pagan beliefs and that's like, on the line imo, but its still portrayed as fiction.>> <<@festushaggen2563 says : "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:32 I've heard "the truth shall set you free" maybe more than any Bible quote in film and TV. Of course they usually use it for lying, telling the truth or something else but it is Jesus who is the truth who sets us free from sin, death and Hell. Jesus said He is the truth, the way and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. Amen.>> <<@TheMrSONIC4 says : Say what you want about Spider-Man 3, but I think the storyline provides a very good analogy for the gospel. Peter shedding the black suit representing our repentance from our own arrogance and pride.>>