[2:00] Jordan asks Iain to outline his concept of attention that he outlines in his forthcoming book The Matter of Things
[14:30] Creating the world through attention. Examining studies done to understand what we would miss without the right hemisphere of our brain. Contrasting the known differences of the two brain hemispheres
[24:00] Discussion of the function of categories and the distinction we make that pull things out of those categories
[33:30] What holes, in reality, are your values or belief structures filling in enabling you to function in the world. looking at the importance of looking at things as a whole instead of a part of the whole.
[36:30] Iain talks about paradoxes in the lens of his new book and examines them. Iain denotes the importance of understanding the significance of the left or right hemisphere when looking at ideas, structures, or projects that have contributed to society.
[43:08] Jordan creates an analogy of tiers of resolution when we are living our lives and performing tasks. McGilchrist outlines his analogy of task attention the two hemispheres as a stage with a spotlight, the highlighted portion is the action of the left hemisphere while the whole stage is the collective consciousness of the right hemisphere.
[54:50] Important schools of thought that improve culture, Science, Reason, Intuition, and Imagination. Unpacking the idea of ontological primaries related to consciousness
[1:05:35] Iain recounts the public reaction to The Master and His Emissary
[1:07:30] Iain and Jordan debate about the nature of implicit values and the idea of God, or what we use the word God to describe
[1:15:00] The failing of the left hemisphere vision of the world according to McGilchrist
[1:20:00] debating the value of industrial rationalists that ignore the co-creation relationship of the divine
[1:23:30] Iain's drive to write his books, the disconnect he sees with the rational, scientific construction of society leading to more unhappy people as society "improves" Iain's three things all humans need to be happy are to feel socially connected, being in the presence of nature, and being part of a religious community.
[1:29:30] Discussing the need for science to be embedded in a larger value structure and not simply rational and removed from right brain thinking
[1:34:30] revisiting the co-creation idea of the cosmos, Iain relates his closing argument that science needs to bring back imagination and intuition as important aspects of exploration beyond the strictly rational.
@wondersoftheword5164 Says:
The Master is the Spirit and the Emissary is the Flesh.
@sunsoar117 Says:
JP, i love you, but your sales pitch at the start had the charisma of a reaniomated corpse. I appreaciate the no-nonsense approach, but there is a difference between honest to the point advertising, and mono-tone, make you contimplate ending it all, its so bland advertising. My advise would be that you should at least appear happy about what you are presenting to us, its an amazing book, and you honestly should be happy about it.
@Susie2346 Says:
Dr McGilchrist said Mythos is more important than Logos. My definition of Logos, or the Word, is thought made transmissible. With that definition, there is no Mythos without Logos, so logos is the basis of all communication and creation.
@Susie2346 Says:
But the ancient anemone didn’t have any predators to beware of. Why did it need bifurcations.
@thehive8181 Says:
Simplified. The right is the processor and the left the memory bank.
@bettyhaines2570 Says:
Thank you 😊
@notlimey Says:
I don’t claim to know it as a Christian - I feel it
@notlimey Says:
There’s only bread in this story! That says it all
@notlimey Says:
No part of Christianity, Islam, et al. claim that humans can understand God.
@slottibarfast5402 Says:
It would be nice if perhaps every few minutes someone woud provide some real evidence for what they believe. There are people that function quite normally with one hemisphere or damaged hemispheres.
@chobij3921 Says:
So relieved i can hear Iain interviewed or speaking elsewhere so I dont have to endure JP.
@jaydoran1321 Says:
I LOVE these two together. Beautiful
@amoh5 Says:
I think there's only 2 thinking processes.
1. The mental/intellect with our physical bodies which is a more mechanical thinking process in conjunction with the body's sensory receptors sight, sound, temperature etc etc.
2. The mental/intellect with our spiritual/moral perception which is more an emotional thinking process in conjunction with our moral compasses molded by our parents, family, friends or societal ideologies.
@AzazelKarnKane Says:
🥇v🥇v
@BigSkoom Says:
I like this guy, not claiming to be an intellectual but him covering religion seems should be every intellects synopsis through the history of philosophers before his time.
@sephiroth1class22 Says:
😏🫨🫨😏
@ALavin-en1kr Says:
The West needs to study Yoga; the Eastern perspective of Consciousness; Mind; and the Centers of Consciousness in the spine. From a yoga perspective the brain is a processing center for all that takes place in the Centers of Consciousness in the spine. The Medulla Oblongata at the base of the skull and the role that plays.
In religion it is called: The mouth of God. Christ spoke of every word that comes out of the mouth of God and was likely referring to this; the Medulla being perceived as the mouth of God where cosmic energy enters the body. There is also the Crown of the head and the importance of that as the thousand petal lotus.. The West is all about the physical divided brain and the mind-body problem and not about the Centers of Consciousness in the spine. and the role they play.
@wendellbabin6457 Says:
1:20:24 Maybe Physics could explain this better in the sense that when a system comes to equilibrium no WORK can be accomplished.
Pressure flows from high to low. No pressure DIFFERENCE the turbine doesn't do anything. Or the pump, compressor and so on.
Same with heat.
If you imagine or conceive of work to be done, engineers determine which branch of physics most appropriate to harness in whichever environmental conditions the work needs to be done. Which phase of matter, pressures, pH etc a reaction best takes place as determined by chemistry and so on and builds out the appropriate machinery and systems of same it is even ECONOMICALLY AND REALISTIC AND EVEN POSSIBLE to build. At this time.
But there HAS to be an inequality of some form or other or NOTHING CAN EVEN START. It will just SIT there because it is in fact INANIMATE (unmoving and producing) matter.
@wendellbabin6457 Says:
50:48 Not only this, but this 3 degrees requires ALL the intense focus of more and more of us merely to sustain our continued EXISTENCE itself.
So much so that we are FORCED by iur life's circumstance to be this way not BY OUR CHOICE so much so that the broader attention and focus and meaningful life itself is no longer even possible for ANY but a handful of the uber-est of Elites.
Question is if this is a planned or malevolent contrivance or just a consequence of our current existence or culture?
@wendellbabin6457 Says:
45:05 Sounds like Dr. McGuilchrist's conception is Right hemisphere is CPU, software to some extent or OS and whichever program(s) are constantly monitoring, the left is actuator sub-routines and local buses that feed across the corpus callosum BUS for executive function output processing back in the right.
Input is 64bit, output is 16bit in separate buses. And monitoring and subr processing and RAM is in right and hard drive and maybe EEPROM is LEFT.
@wendellbabin6457 Says:
7:31 How "attention", which is severely limited in practically every way for "mere humans" and can only be augmented by the tools, mental physical or cultural that can even be conceived of much less built at any point in time and space by reality itself, that can be used effectively to manage or change the world and for whom it will even serve to improve anything.
So WHAT even matters that SHOULD be paid "attention" TO very much depends on where exactly said human LIVES with regards to how many and how well even their BASIC needs are being met. And the likelihood they will CONTINUE being met for the foreseeable future and that those same folks will continue to be able to do so "under their own power" so to speak.
@justinnix9 Says:
Eye patches
@brucemcgraw2265 Says:
Reading his book ( mcgilchrist) now......the master and the emissary. Its a revelation
@ianzura5552 Says:
the Matter is what matter = emergent morality !!
@HanRecon Says:
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@HanRecon Says:
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@durhamgrigg3125 Says:
TOTALLY AWESOME, mutual respectful, & incredibly thought provoking and encouraging dialogue between two intellectually dynamic and yet genuinely humanly grounded men on a search for truths! Thank you both!
@madcena01 Says:
What a waste of time for everyone involved, Iain had to answer 10 times the same question about god and a "master plan" because Jordan was more concerning in looking cool and atheist to his followers that having a conversation where he might learn something from his guest and in turn not looking as cool
@김프로87 Says:
Too much interruption.
@johnryan2193 Says:
Two people I would love to have dinner with , I'm not sure what I could bring to the table but I would taste eah mouth ful with a new found appreciateon . thanks for your contribution to understanding our complexity
@maryc9312 Says:
What is poverty? 💯 The current US nomad movement agrees
@kiefinity162 Says:
For the algorithm, may more people see this
@piripi40 Says:
The YouTube algorithm keeps pushing Jordan B on me. ‘Not Interested’ or ‘Don’t Recommend Channel’ seem not to work with this guy.
@laurafortier9295 Says:
I love how the guy is dancing around God like, well, I'm the final say in this. The agnostic Brit. It's always the same argument: having faith in the personal God is an affront to their need to be the end all intelligence. Like, we need to somehow demand something of God in His universe. It's like they all fell in love with Dawkins, made him there god and repeat as necessary. We know there is more. Everyone senses it. You stare down the immensity of His creation and basically say, meh, I could do better. 😂😂😂
@nickca6104 Says:
This guy is absurdly biased against the left hemisphere. This became hard to listen to. The left hemisphere provides structure and order, causing the prevention of chaos. Chaos is not good.
@nickca6104 Says:
McGilchrist seems biased in favor of the right hemisphere. He probably primarily uses his right hemisphere to think.
Jordan helps provide a more left-hemisphere view to things. This balances it out.
@nickca6104 Says:
This seems like a slanted interview that neglects the beneficial aspects of the left hemisphere, and also neglects the non-beneficial aspects of the right hemisphere. I personally think that Dr. McGilchrist’s proclivity to use the right hemisphere to think, Causes him to neglect the beneficial components of the left hemisphere.
@nickca6104 Says:
I wish he spoke more about the realm of chaos that often comes with the right hemisphere. The left hemisphere uses categories to keep the mind in order, thus reducing chaos.
@Thilosophocl3s Says:
Um... I'm kinda dumb here, but does being left
-handed switch the hemispheric preference, and/or affect cognitive development?
@neige4221 Says:
This is fascinating. I believe that I am more of a right hemisphere thinker, whereas my husband is the left and oftentimes I look at him as if he is robotic in nature because of the way he thinks. Now I understand why.
@JohnCahillChapel Says:
“Beyond Order >< Twelve more rules for life.” ?? The reductionism of neither of the gentlemen can result in peace with the ineffable in which we are and move and of which we are. The substance of this ineffable is not for us a goal (not teleological or theological or theoretical), it is a non dimensional state (quality) (love) upon which all dimensions depend and as which all dimensions are in a state of dynamic peace and (,if we must,) coherence. If it can be framed, it is not it. Can a man by searching find out God. The “solution” to the stress that is so evident here is, faith (I.e., not belief but trust beyond framing and all frames). The way that can be framed, described, reduced, is no way out of frames, not how we confidently dwell in and with the eternal. What’s the difference between 24 rules, to halves of a brain and Ten Commandments? None in our search for home. Hence the stress. All this chatter needs to start with the actual peace of God. Then it could be fun.
@DoubleOhSilver Says:
I think McGilchrist has a poor understanding of religions. Many of them, especially Christianity, do not say they know everything, they openly acknowledge that they don't.
@TrollMeister-s6n Says:
"A brain divided against itself cannot stand." Abe Lincoln 2023
@conniehayes4957 Says:
Left side your education. Right side the events of your life
@helenbostock2350 Says:
Great god have rule and measure meaning he wrote a book. Please take that's on face value
@cheri238 Says:
This was a serious, intense discussion today between Jordan Peterson and Iian McGilchrist.
I love Heraclitus, "One cannot step in the same river twice."
Thank you both with the deepest appreciation and respect for your expertise. However, in all the discussions I have see with Dr. Iian McGilchrist, books with all his many deep thinkers , I missed more of his laughter and giggles. Otherwise, I learned more.❤
Oh, it was nice to see Jordan Peterson crack a smile just now.
Don't forget the dance between the the spheres. Cultures traveling for centuries 3500 hundreds of years ago, the Gilgamesh Epic, Socrates, Plato ,Aristotle so many. Philosophy, world histories, sciences, religious divisions and wars. Music, art, literature, poetry, languages mixing, and wine and opium traveling for centuries. Indigenous cultures traveling and they their ancient wisdoms. The Universe is the stories.
A mind that learns that has not been damaged is always growing.
Carl Yung's "The Redbook" Libra Novus that he wrote and thought it would never be published, but I am glad it was published after being hidden in a box in a bank vault, that the estate of Jung's allowed to be edited and with an Introduction Sanu Shamdasani.
Goodnight sweet gentlemen. ❤
@margaretwinson402 Says:
Love that painting on Dr McGilchrist's wall.
@Igna-z7i Says:
1:40:00 It is to expect that biology would narrow itself, because there is money to make in pharmacology. So if you get a bit funny your research goes nowhere. Physics is another story because there is no dough to be made there, but you can brag about your fancy discoveries and make everybody feel they don't know sh*t
@Igna-z7i Says:
1:36:00 talking too much about God will make the whole thing unassumable. What is needed are FUNDS to carry out research on psychology and learning, not with a business frame of mind, but rather with a humanistic heroical one. This man has been investigating other people's research. Well, give HIM the funds to lead the research to begin with. That's the way to go.
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