Jordan: "What happens to managers quite frequently is that they spend the majority of their time with their worst employees."
Me: What happens to the majority of the best employees is they spend the majority of their time with the worst managers.
@ibelieve3111 Says:
Thanks
@LilaSilk Says:
Thank you gentlemen for this interesting conversation. All the best for your communal endeavours.
@rong-rongzhang1484 Says:
Love your videos and I'll continue to watch them now I've figured out how to find them on youtube.
@DownhillDr Says:
At around the one hour mark, you inquired of Mr Cooper why he feels his move to work in rare illnesses was not a narcissistic power grab, in the manner described by the post-modern thrust. Unfortunately he took a very broad answer to capitalism as a positive force, rather than focusing on his own motivations personally. When discussing things at a system level, or meta-level, there is abundant room for opposition to sneak in arguments, such as any post modernist could easily do with his assertions about capitalism being good (in fact shortly after this when describing parentage into familial lineage, you stumbled down the Dawkins selfish gene line by accident when concluding too quickly.) It would have been great to hear his personal take .
As a physician, this is one of the questions asked day one of med school interviews: Why be a doctor? Inevitably people answer 'to help others', which is a bit hackneyed, but true. However, the cynic might say that 'helping others' is just a good mask for entering a profession that pays well, is publicly supported and instantiated(particularly in Canada) and generally has a high demand. To become a doctor is a great way to guarantee a decent job and paycheque, and, cards played right, correct specialty pursued, it could become a very high paying job indeed. However, when one lives this life, one gets to see both sides of this coin, and the answer becomes evident.
When a person pursues medicine for selfish greed and financial wellbeing (which sadly is happening more frequently in my estimation), the results are written in the person. That doctor's care gets worse. Their lives start to fall apart. Bitterness quickly creeps in, as every opportunity to make money that doesn't go fluidly (sometimes illnesses are complex with complications, or complaints come through regulatory boards) causes discord. Interactions with colleagues from other specialties become strained as they are seen as incompetent, bumbling and pesky. Patients become a dollar sign, not a person. The job becomes very lonely, and whilst one might be able to pull the wool over their own eyes, those around them see the strain. High divorce rates. Failed clinic start ups. And in the end, an appearance quite like narcissism or psychopathy. The data show that surgical specialties have more of both of these personality traits, but where that correlation lies is the question. Is it that all others get crushed out? Does the higher proportion of those drive up the same characteristics in others? Is there protectionism in the institutions? Is it a failed economic model and whittling away at safeguards around someone's partial proclivity to those personality traits that finally lets them loose?
The other way I've watched this is in those who then intentionally deny all the capitalistic aspects of medicine to their own detriment, and that of patient care. These physicians resent that money is included anywhere on the chain, and particularly in Canada, believe that everything should be free, and to expand one's offerings offends the provision of care above a certain low bar. I have watched this destroy a colleagues appreciation for offering care, who, now as part of a business entity larger than herself, finds the added pieces of care to be burdensome and offensive to a 'free' system. It seems very soviet/communist minded to me, and the visible downtroddenness of this person is saddening.
So why then is it that we have a goal that is not just power and hedonism, but also not complete foolish altruism? Because it feels right. I believe Dr Peterson will touch on this in 'We Who Wrestle with God', as he did in 12 Rules 1+2 and particularly the Genesis lectures- the importance of the sovereignty of the individual and that as the starting point for interacting in the world (and building the world as we know it). When we do the right thing (in the case of Mr Cooper, pursuing treatment of rare illnesses), following our conscience in that activity, but also then in how we build that activity and our relationships out into the world, the fruits of success personally and broadly are borne. At its highest level, our conscience, in alignment with the Holy Spirit (or for the atheists and non-believers, maybe the Socratic daemon) acting in fullness sows the seeds for this success. I personally believe that done completely by everyone, that we would watch the problems of the world melt away (which is the calling of Christianity to evangelize). And we know, at the individual level, that when we do Not adhere to this highest conscience, which is our human proclivity, that we feel wrong. In the case of the first physician above, a mindset that I personally have briefly inhabited, the wrongness of that guiding spirit comes forth quickly in the fruits of resultant actions. When the Delphic maxim 'know thyself' is exercised, most well meaning people in that situation will recognize their own faults that have come to bear on the situation as a whole. It is very hard to exercise this maxim in our hyper-distracted current societal mindset, which also combines the post-modern argument that nothing can be known, and the post- Nietzschean God is dead, will to power, me-first conclusions. When one loses this sense of self, and is told to do so at a societal structural level, it is extremely disorienting. When, as per the second physician above, these arguments prevent one from seeing the good in doing better, the resultant actions to break down the system from within lead to personal chaos. I believe this is the predominant personal struggle penetrating society, which continues to be fed by fear narratives that have hijacked our innate anxiety systems, and a 'systemic' focus that has broken down the very physical embodied local, where we should be acting.
So the answer I was waiting to hear from Mr Cooper, and what I imagine he would have answered if asked again, is that he followed the voice inside that guided him to a higher calling than investment banking (not that investment banking is bad or wrong, it was just not his highest calling) where he could utilize an expansive business skillset from his previous successful exploits to now approach and successfully tackle a complex problem. When we act wrongly, we know, and the rotten fruits of that become manifest rapidly. When we take the time to look deep within ourselves, and be guided by our daemon, or our conscience aligned with the Holy, our steps are righted.
@jefftooley9389 Says:
I am reaching out to you guys in hopes you might have already been exposed to a disease called Pompe. I am helping raise a baby that will be 1 years old this month and will also be starting enzyme replacement therapy. From what I understand there is only two medications and his body can reject them. Any info would be great
@maryshepler3543 Says:
Jordan thank for not only helping other in your private practice but now you are helping the world in the same manner. Listen to the needs of humanity and then speaking to it . Using experts in to have a open teaching to the world. Bless you and keep following the holyspirit with in you
@grazynkatodisco4916 Says:
And I thought Jerry Seinfeld movie “Plan B”.. was a myth about bees just for kids 😂.. But as I remember they do talked about some of this stuff in that movie as well 🤔 Eureka moment came when I saw a movie Antz 😉
- the legendary Insectopia and Ant Z that doesn’t bent to the rules. Political and hilarious at the same time.
It’s very empowering 😁
@jackdeniston59 Says:
Was thinking about Tit for Tat recently. Seems to me feminism has destroyed this between men and women. Women still get Tat (from men via govt) but only a very few men get Tit.
@ShoutAtMeElmo Says:
The Chaos and Prey response topic was one of the most interesting things Ive heard in quite a while. Mr Cooper is one interesting guest, thanks for bringing him on!
@user-ub4id6ip5m Says:
Quit your religious beliefs, you are desecrating the sacred words of secularism you preach.
@westonmook7280 Says:
I know this isn't much, but a million times two allows a good person to reach other intelligent goal oriented individuals. May the memetic agent that is Jordan win society the culture war and bring the many varied and disparate pieces caste adrift together. There are so many individuals left by the side of the road by all major cultural and political groups. Go and be the one who picks up the good ones. As Jesus when he chooses his disciples.
@rajchowdhury3006 Says:
"the only thing that matters is what a man can do, and what a man can't do"- Captain Jack Sparrow 🤠
@liamx6636 Says:
You were gifted discernment from your creator. You are righteously fulfilling your duties. Bless you and your family, Jordan.
@user-qw6qw9gs6n Says:
-directed sacrifice- : * GOLD * with analogies to biology, religion, science, business, human behavior, predator, prey, order and chaos ... wow high flying abstractions so relevent to just being...
@zgamer9466 Says:
I've been told my whole life nothing I do works and I don't deserve anything
@waterbabe759 Says:
Wonderful ❤🎉
@jibfgrih1ewrbfihwerfdbqwei919 Says:
John 14:6
@user-jr6ff5zy7v Says:
Trees are full of fractals. Individual species are identified by their fractal patterns. Bark, types, branch patterns, patterns of the leaves and veins in those leaves are all fractuals. The grouping depth structures like evergreens and oaks identify similar higher resolution patterns. While the deeper smaller factual levels like veins on a leave identify more specific subgroups and species. Details in their seeds or cones are another fractal depth levels identifying groups subgroups and species
@dontfollowthinkforyourself Says:
Jordan B. Peterson can you interview David Icke ?
@theBaron0530 Says:
@57:12 There is satisfaction in a job well done, true, but getting paid well for your skills is satisfying, too.
@terranhealer Says:
Great talk and excellent guest. Here is a far out idea…our inner machinery mimics how we navigate through the macro world. And we in turn mimic the angels or spirits
@thelatestgreatest8082 Says:
PLEASE ADD A HAWAII DATE TO YOUR TOUR!!! Pleasssseee!!!!
@halo2bullseye922 Says:
Love you Jordan! Thanks!!
@user-Rocket-Fest Says:
Very few people explore that vast Universe inside their Minds, take a voyage into it some day
@amincamus6337 Says:
Thank you🙏
@JasonBower-ql3cd Says:
Intellectual types, or in the words of the primative commoner's like Everyone Else!
They live in a make believe in a world, full of Bubble Gum Candy and Fancy Things and where One Size Fits All, when infact, It's BS. Or perhapes in a more subsequential termology? It has unanticipated, substantial diminishing returns.
Jason B.
Lincoln, Nebraska
@allen4758 Says:
I have started reading ( Beyond good and evil ) , even though it's way beyond my vocabulary, but since JP talks so highly of it , i will finish it 👍
@drj3334 Says:
I had to type jp whole name now to find him... usually it popped up fast. YouTube trying to commit.
@janeenguynn8810 Says:
Please interview someone working on the Texas border.
@michalkratky5203 Says:
As a son of a beekeeper, well-versed in working with bees myself, I hereby confirm all the facts stated about bee behaviour in this podcast d(^ ^)b
@cexploreful Says:
JORDAN runs for PRESIDENT 2025❤❤
@vibrationoftheone Says:
There's an invitation to excellence
@dapv144 Says:
I am convinced that these two were trolling us the entire time or at least Dr. Peterson was. There was a whole hour of analogous discovery, which just was an excercise of creative futility.
@scottbrown9535 Says:
This is Dr . Peterson at his absolute best. I have some issues (like anybody cares:) with some of the political pandering he does, but I get he has to maintain a loose grip on the part if his audience that love the ideological dopamine feed. So many nuggets here.
Kudos to both men.
@ChrisOgunlowo Says:
My heart lifted with joy at 01:47:00 at the mention of Iain McGilchrist. Such a brilliant way to capture Iain’s conclusions about the danger of a world oriented around left-brain perceptiveness, and the robust benefit of a proper liberal education. I’m currently reading Iain’s Master and the Emissary and have watched his videos religiously. I’m very excited to hear from a CEO who espouses Iain’s notion of the importance of a fecund mind based on right-brain assimilations and expansions. One can only imagine how Derek’s managerial style impresses positively on his company as to make it distinct from one that relies only on a left-thinking orientation.
@kingceasar666 Says:
Im confused about your licence issue.
I consider a psychologist no longer valid when they persue unethical sciences which gets into self justified pilling.
At that point i consider their careers through
This became more prevalent in ww2 nazi sciences, scientology unethical sciences, and unethical bio chemical sciences
But you, you kept going after your caved in your family struggles.
Thats how you know your an honest faith, your an honest emotional worker, and honest psychological resolver.
The fact they want to take your license is unethical and makes 0 sense
Just the short time i met you through media i trust you more than the rest and know your more real than a pile of insight traps playing with bio chemical manipulation like fools walking off cliffs
Their afraid of you, your going to realize something.
Their weak and your strong, the only difference is their book of keys is bigger
If anything you should be one of the heads of the department.
@Gamerallday2012 Says:
My own original words: Self doubt is a subjectively personalized interpretation of hell. Let me know if it could be refined.
@rollinronin8125 Says:
What a shame that we have a public figure like Joel Olsteen here in America that commands the attention of a prophet. He amasses the fortune and pretense of.a greedy King, while gaslighting us with the bible.
Whereof you Dr Peterson do the work that is unprecidented in modern times.
There are too many dealers of dreams out there. You sir serve up a fresh dollip of reality.
@jay-tl2un Says:
Jordan Peterson, you have worked on our behalf for a long time. You carry the burden of many and have helped guide us in the direction of a better future. We are eternally grateful for this. You said in a recent interview that you're getting tired, I could only imagine so. I want to let you know that you have many good Canadians, more than you might realize, who would be willing to help you out, in any way possible.
Thank you for all you've done for us Dr. Peterson.
-James P
@CabaasmahamedMahamuud Says:
thank you pro
@autumnleaves2766 Says:
I remember a series of "The Apprentice" about 16 years ago where a young man had described himself as a property developer, when he only let out rooms in a house which his parents had bought for him. He really talked himself up there. Interestingly enough, this young man went on to win that year's series, earning himself a job in one of Alan Sugar's businesses. I have never been able to exaggerate like that. I've had no career at all and now concentrate on playing the piano, composing music, doing artwork, and reading. I'm enjoying slowly working my way through Dr Peterson's reading list. Just finished the remarkable and mind-blowing "Memories, Dreams, Reflections" by Carl Jung and am now devouring the brilliant "The Gulag Archipelago", having read "Cancer Ward" and "One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich" years ago. Dr Peterson's two 12 Rules For Life books have had a profoundly positive effect on me. Some of the rules I am working on include trying to be more precise in my speech, befriending only people who want the best for me (I have wasted too much time in the past on some people who actually wanted to harm me), pursuing what is meaningful and not what is expedient, treating myself as if I were someone I was responsible for helping. They are wonderful books, a joy to read. I know I will re-read them in the future too. Thanks for all you do, Dr Peterson. You are a brilliant star shining in the firmament.
@Sharkofwatches Says:
Jp can hit a nerve in your psyche & it changed my opinion of self in a painfully truthful way...my behaviors were defined clearly...i most certainly had improved as a human but id just scratched surface..this dude has been more effective than 30 yrs of therapy...5 different shrinks...when i admitted id been a sadist was painfully effective..
@Sharkofwatches Says:
I noticed the auto fil wasn't as fast entering Jordan Peterson...I had to spell most of it ..I wonder if searches are dropping?
@cexploreful Says:
Haven't you got any video about Javier Milei? 🦁 we were inspired by you Jordan! We Argentinians are a product of your teaching lessons!
See ya! stay well!
I'm particulary interested in your considerations about LIBERTARIANISM.
(if you do so, please apply subtitles, your voice has to be heared further!)
@StrikingCrayon Says:
Id love to check the dynasim of navigatable sacrifice against and/or within Assembly Index theory.
@user-eh3ib4gd2c Says:
Watching honey bees for a defensive ball around a predator is incredible. The interactions between nurse bees and the queen bee are also highly sophisticated.
@jillfearing4610 Says:
Can’t find the podcast on Daily Wire Plus?
@hernan9749 Says:
The content is very interesting, please subtitle in Spanish, I am from Argentina
@irfangullbhat Says:
My opinion is in these times we (muslims as well) should cherish, celebrate and take maximum benefit from DR JORDAN B PETERSON...the man is crammed with wisdom..not confined to pleasure taking effect only but the wisdom that actually works & can with enough impact help to navigate with the ever stressful, unfamiliar, rapidly changing modern world and it's twisted and perverted ultra-modern dwellers that have the ability to bring even the best of liberals into astonishment with their sick stances. These WOKE people are in fashion and it's unfortunately a fashion to have an opinion on every social, political and whatever issue and try and get as sicker as possible with their stances & agendas.
Me starting from a traditional, fundamentalist islamic sort of, maududi cheerer, a die hard Dr israr fan saw my journey from one extreme of calling everything sin to the other of modern, agnostic, hedonistic, atheistic, a fastly growing WOKE & finally a suffering nihilistic where I called everything pointless. I was into people like sam harris (still like him though on other issues), dillahunty, Richard Dawkins, Hitchens and betrand Russel. When I say pointless, I went for almost half a decade without bothering to brush my teeth, just to name one. So I have had a first hand experience living with both extremes.
Long story short, with time I could experience Allah teaching me how important it is to be spiritual, praying regularly, work being worship, being tolerant, loving people of all religions, somewhat sufism, helping poor, not being haughty & self-centred, avoiding womanizing, not being overtly paternalistic, but also not going out of the way in support of women & keeping it fair, staying away from stimulants, nicotine & substances, meditating, remembering Allah, not running after money, taking wisdom from all good people from whichever backgrounds.
When I decided to follow these principles, i revisited Jordan B peterson, oh boy, he was telling this all along, only difference is earlier I would listen to him more for leisure and viewed him more as a psychologist but I can tell you this guy is so so right. Over the years some of his gems I can recall are:
Start by correcting what's next to you
The simple things that you do daily make 50 percent of your day so they are the most important things in life
It won't hurt to brush your teeth
when belief system collapsed in the modern world not only did the belief system collapsed but the belief in belief systems collapsed as well (so true)
The above void in spirituality was filled by and gave rise to ultra nationalism that followed in Europe (now in our part as well). Scintillating observation. Tells us how important religion is, especially spiritually & ritually as well to keep you in satisfying action.
Pick your sacrifice. You don't get to choose it as it's going to occur to you anyway so pick one before it gets to you
Peterpan stuff was 🤣 & embarassing at the same time
His views on how non- religiousity can lead to nihilism. Being nihilist can feel worse than depression and anxiety. Once you see everything as pointless, it's hell.
West is getting filled with it pretty rapidly especially new generation. This again signified how important religiousity and spirituality is. Unfortunately it will eventually affect us as well like everything comes from West and settles in east. Nietzsche was so right.
I really like how he sticks and tries his best to take beneficial and meaningful takeaways from the Bible. Authenticity doesn't matter to him, if the thing is good and helping him accept it. This is a monumental effort, sitting in west, being famous, and doing all this in the face of tornado of criticism and denunciation of biblical literature & mockery modern Christians make of biblical stories
His condemnation for wokism is really attractive for we muslims.
I loved him when he famously said I act as if God exists. I could understand this statement. He was catering to the mindset of atheistic / agnostic, anti religion and liberal forces, and at the same time articulately teaching them how arrogant & silly they sound when they explicitly keep stating "God doesn't exist" without much clue to back it up and here is a man who knows how his belief in God has helped him all his journey yet he stays away from saying explicitly " God exists" or not even says " i believe in God" so as to not sound arrogant and distinguishing between people.
WHY I AM POSTING THIS
It's about a lot of Muslim brothers and sisters who have to their peril and unfortunately turned away from him after him showing his right-wing tendencies in his political views, particularly on Israel, & sometimes on Islam. I personally overlook his recent views, particularly at the age he is now, and am ready to forgive him for these utterances. These come & are mostly attributed to his commitments with DW and alliance with people like Ben Shapiro, which could have been helped & developed from sharing traditional values. Anyways at this age one can be more vulnerable to get swayed by agenda driven people who want to use him for their benefit.
We can and should continue to benefit from his wisdom as a clinical psychologist, traditionalist, socialist, spritual, philosopher, anti-left and anti woke and a person who actually cares for a lot of evil that prevails in this world right now. As a package he is wonderful and awesome with some opinions that we won't like of course. But we can't afford to discard him altogether and play in the hands of those people who couldnt stand his huge muslim following and want him completely in their camp.
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