When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their eternal security. But when that happens, what happens to our free will? In this video, Frank makes an interesting comparison between marriage and our relationship with Christ to answer this question. Check it out!
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@annmarieleclair3577 Says:
The argument is always, "once saved always saved vs loosing".
Scripture teaches we are absolutely secure IN Christ!! No where does it teach that we can "loose" it.
So, the question is, can we leave it? Scripture is replete with 'warnings not to reject'. (Hebrews 6 & 10 and others).
Just as Salvation is the finished work of God in Christ and our volition to believe and have faith, we work out our salvation "with fear and trembling" (why?), for it is God who works in you (Holy Spirit) to will and act (our volition) according to his good purpose. (Phil. 2:12-13).
We do not loose our volition once we are saved and "nothing can separate us", except ourselves. Volition or 'me' is not listed in Roman 8:38-39.
Dr. David does a great teaching on hell and how and why people are there. People choose hell by rejecting the finished work of Christ.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for those who have once been enlightened, who HAVE tasted the heavenly gift (Salvation), who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away (leave), to be brought back to repentance..." Heb. 6:4-6
One would have to do some serious semantic gymnastics to make this message anything other than what it is! (And some do!)
No! You cannot loose your salvation, but you have to ability to leave it because we don't loose our volition upon salvation. As far as the "sealed", that is, IN CHRIST! It is our position, if we continue in him...
So, I leave you with Romans 13:8-14.
@SonzOfEnoch Says:
Once i have putt my faith and trust in the Finished work of Jesus on the Cross from that very moment of repenting from my unbelief to believing that Christ is my Lord and Saviour accepting him as the Son of God by my Faith Alone' from that very moment have been passed from Death to Life' that his Sacrificial Death Burial and Resurrection has atoned for ALL my sins' and have been given Eternal Everlasting Life for it is Christ who keeps my Salvation and not of my own performance Works' i can not do anything in deeds of Righteousness to stay Saved neither can any falling of Sin such as Backsliding and walking in the flesh' can Lose my Salvation' i can not take myself out of His hands i can not Pluck myself out of his hands and neither can Satan himself Pluck me from his Hands' who ever Christ saved he Keeps and shall Lose None.
@synergy2782 Says:
Salvation is not a license to sin and sin and abusing grace to continue in sin will separate you from God. Don’t find out on the day of judgement that once saved always saved is a satanic lie.
Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.”
Revelation 3:16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
@TimFosterP Says:
Ummm... Frank didn't answer the question.
If you - like most Christians - believe you can't lose your salvation, then once you're saved, YES you do lose your free will: you cannot choose to quit being a Christian.
(Pro tip: Humans don't have Libertarian free will in the first place)
@DuaneBeliveau Says:
Boom...All about the reconciliation for Humanity is in Christ Jesus and his finished works for Salvation by faith alone. Nobody born again in Christ Jesus is backsliding out of him and his calling and gift's invitation from God for Salvation by faith alone and sealed in Christ by his Spirit of Truth ❤..Ridiculous
@theChristfollower2 Says:
im so glad i saw this i been in the scay zone a long time and it encouraged me Glory be to God
@apostolicapologetics4829 Says:
@1:42 It is not a test for orthodoxy?? How can a soteriological issue not be a test for orthodoxy?
The marriage analogy does not work because no sin separates the marriage, only physical death. And physical death does not separate us from Christ but mortal sin does (see 1 Cor 6:9, Revelation 21:8, Gal 6:7-8, Gal 5:4).
@SamuelPeter1985 Says:
You can lose eternal life by not believing anymore. You can stop believing by being cut off from not continuing in God's goodness:
Romans 11:19-22 NKJV
You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." [20] Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. [21] For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. [22] Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
@dragonsigner Says:
Free will and salvation are a gift from God..that gift can be rejected.
There are people who were Christians, and they left the faith. They rejected God. And Jesus Christ. What about them?
What if people choose to not believe anymore?
I'm not saying you lose it. But it's thrown away.
@IanBartleson Says:
It's easier to convert a Jew to Christianity than to convince someone "once saved always saved" is false.
@DannyLoyd Says:
" The Spirit expressly says that some WILL DEPART FROM THE FAITH by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrine of demons" 1 Timothy 4:1, are they still saved? Can you be severed from Christ and fall from grace and still be saved, Gal 5:4 Can a believer become an unbeliever? and still be saved? Were the disciples in John 6:66 who decided not to walk with Jesus anymore, still saved?
@stevendrumm4957 Says:
"ACCEPT CHRIST" is a false doctrine. Predestination is true.
@The_Hidden_Truth_Of_God Says:
Jesus warned His 1st disciples and believers that these terrible things would happen if we were not obedient and trust in Him by our actions, not words. He LOVED ❤️ them enough teach them the entire truth of God’s word; His Blessings and His Severity. So should we…
“For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come— and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame. When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it.”
Hebrews 6:4-8 NLT
“Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us. For we know the one who said, “I will take revenge. I will pay them back.” He also said, “The Lord will judge his own people.” It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:26-31 NLT
““Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword. ‘I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household!’ “If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. If you refuse to take up your cross and follow me, you are not worthy of being mine. If you cling to your life, you will lose it; but if you give up your life for me, you will find it.”
Matthew 10:34-39 NLT
“Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NLT
“When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 NLT
““You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.”
Matthew 7:13-14 NLT
“You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world. Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him.”
Ephesians 5:5-6 NLT
““Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’”
Matthew 7:21-23 NLT
““So why do you keep calling me ‘Lord, Lord!’ when you don’t do what I say?”
Luke 6:46 NLT
“Don’t be afraid of what you are about to suffer. The devil will throw some of you into prison to test you. You will suffer for ten days. But if you remain faithful even when facing death, I will give you the crown of life. “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. Whoever is victorious will not be harmed by the second death.”
Revelation 2:10-11 NLT
““What sorrow awaits the world, because it tempts people to sin. Temptations are inevitable, but what sorrow awaits the person who does the tempting. So if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand or one foot than to be thrown into eternal fire with both of your hands and feet. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.”
Matthew 18:7-9 NLT
““Dear friends, don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot do any more to you after that. But I’ll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill you and then throw you into hell. Yes, he’s the one to fear.”
Luke 12:4-5 NLT
“All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children. “But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.””
Revelation 21:7-8 NLT
“Nothing evil will be allowed to enter, nor anyone who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty—but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.”
Revelation 21:27 NLT
“And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.””
John 3:36 NLT
““But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!”
Matthew 5:20 NLT
@Muzicboy3 Says:
That analogy was horrible. People get divorced all the time…
@danielblair4413 Says:
Also, you have to consider the fact that the bible says that there is a battle between the flesh and the spirit and that we are a new creature.
When a person gets saved the new creature is who we truly are, and it remains loyal to God despite what our flesh does since the new creature is our immortal soul and spirit merged as one and the flesh is outside of that union.
When the rapture of the Church happens our flesh is going to be transformed into a glorified body that will be one with our immortal soul and spirit.
@fernandoformeloza4107 Says:
Frank Tureck didn't answer whether God no longer gives us the choice to reject Him once we are genuinely saved, nor does he even entertain any notion that anyone truly saved would ever walk away from Jesus. The argument commonly given for why their is choice, is because if you don't have choice, you're kinda like a robot, kinda like determinism. Believing in once saved always saved is a form of determinism once you are truly saved, and is wrong. The Bible doesn't mention apostates and "son of perdition" for no reason. Though Arminians have errors, they have a valid claim against once saved always saved
@atyt11 Says:
Matt 13:20-22 Does not Jesus speak of those that recieve the joy, but then fall away after a short time. Were they not saved during that short time??? Then fell away?
@atyt11 Says:
"When you believe, your saved". What happens when you decide, you don't believe anymore?
Faith in the One. What happens if you STOP having Faith in the One?
@osks Says:
NOOOOOO Frank Turek!!! ABSOLUTELY NO!!! For you to assert the ‘sovereignty of man’ (an unBiblical aberration) over the sovereignty of God, not only denies the Lordship of God but it also impugns grace!
What is it about “not by works, lest you have reason to boast” (Eph 2:8,9) that you don’t understand???
Rather than appealing to carefully selected ‘proof texts’ (committing the error of special pleading) to support your Autonomian commitments, I instead urge you (in fact, I appeal to you) to study the sovereign work of God in Scripture - that bit between Gen 1:1 and Rev 22:21 - only then you will see that GOD IS GOD OVER ALL (Eph 4:6), which INCLUDES THE WILL OF MAN!
TRUE FREEDOM DOES NOT REST IN THE ‘WILL’ OF MAN, BUT IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE (Gal 5:1)!
All that you’re doing, is giving your adherents a false hope and setting them up to one day hear those dreaded words from Jesus… “Get away from me you evildoer, I NEVER KNEW YOU” (as one of my own) (Mat 7:21), only because they were never brought into the kingdom of God BY GOD WHO SAVES (Psm 68:20) through the efficacious work of the Spirit (Jhn 6:44 & Rom 9:19) - instead, they are being (mis)led by the ’will’ which operates under the aegis of the god of this age (1Jhn 5:19)!
One is made righteous (not morally but brought into the right relationship with the Father again) ONLY AS AN ACT OF SOVEREIGN GRACE, THROUGH FAITH (which He grants us), IN CHRIST JESUS ALONE (2Cor 12:9)…
@gainsofglory6414 Says:
I still haven't heard a response to "what if you change your mind later?"
How can you not lose salvation? If you accept it as a gift, then lose your faith later and reject that salvation is even a thing let alone accept it, and if you reject sin is even a concept and just stop thinking at all about any of this stuff, how exactly would you still be saved at that point?
And saying "if you would do that you may not have had true faith before and weren't really saved" is a pretty lazy sounding dodge of an answer.
This seems like its just a silly word game for the sake of having BS arguments between protestants and catholics. Catholics would describe that as losing your salvation, a chronological description.
Some protestants would say you were never saved to begin with, which then creates the doubt of salvation.
Catholics do works as a way of growing and ensuring they don't lose salvation.
Protestants do works as a way of growing, and ensuring their salvation was actually real.
How long can you people really go back and forth arguing this semantic game?
I'm new to this as a semi convert. I participate in the catholic church and certainly lean that way for many reasons, but this is one of those debates that I am too new and ignorant to see the real distinction or practical difference between the sides.
Not theological difference, I mean practical difference. The actual, experienced difference.
@GiftofGrace88 Says:
1 Peter 1
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
2 Timothy 2
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
@gamefan8552 Says:
I like Franks video and agree with him on many things, but this one he did not get right. Frank (if you ever read this) even married people can and sometime unfortunately do continue to date, marriage does suppose fidelity but that only goes so far as the couple freely decide to respect that.
Eternal life just means never ending to exist, for better or for worse, those in Hell also have eternal life just that it is for the worse, that by itself does not prove salvation cannot be lost.
Not to mention the Bible is full of warnings about remaining steadfast in the faith (Colossians 1:23), then the parable of the greedy servant who did not forgave the debts of another servant after King forgave his and then the King (meaning God) revoked the forgiveness He had given him before.
We all agree God predestines His elect (initial justification), however He also takes into account the free choice of them into His salvation plan, the ones that freely chose to remain faithful (go to Heaven) and those who freely chose to reject Him (go to Hell). Sometimes they say, well if X fells off, he was not really an elect, well but then no one has true assurance of their salvation even so called "elect" because they certainly can continue to sin even doing mortal sins, sealed in Holy Spirit does not mean loosing free will, God will not fail, but we certainly can and those who fail to abide with Him by committing grave sins will not be in Heaven examples are countless both in Bible and outside of it. Only sensible approach is we must freely chose to remain with Christ so that along with those other predestined to be saved we reach our goal. God wills no one sins, however we clearly see it still happens, so just because God wills something does not necessarily mean it will happen.
The Bible warns Christians that they can "fall from grace" (Gal. 5:1-5), be "cut off" from salvation (Rom. 11:18-22), have their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life (Rev. 22:19), by committing certain sins and not repenting of them (cf. Eph. 5: 3-5; 1Cor. 6:9; Gal. 5:19, Rev. 21:6-8). Suggesting otherwise puts souls at risk.
God Bless
@SaanichtonMinistries Says:
He probably believes in divorce exemptions clauses which is also a false problems.
@courtneycombs3234 Says:
There’s a lot of scripture you’re leaving out bud.
@bikerboy9010 Says:
This is an excellent and informative video. I do agree how people can't lose their salvation. I know many Christians who believe people can lose their salvation, and I know many Christians who believe people can't lose their salvation. Going to heaven isn't based on a person's belief about whether or not they can lose their salvation. Going to heaven is based on accepting Christ in your heart and really meaning it in your heart. Accepting Christ in your heart and really meaning it in your heart means you want to repent and turn away from living a lifestyle defined by sin, and you want Jesus in your heart to help you to live for the Lord.
The main reason why a lot of Christians are against once saved always saved is because they think that once saved always saved teaches that once you accept Christ in your heart, you're free to live your life any way you want and still go to heaven, but once saved always saved doesn't teach that. When a person accepts Christ in their heart and really means it in their heart, they experience positive changes in their life such as God changing them, never living a lifestyle defined by sin anymore (they still sin at times, but they never live a lifestyle defined by sin), wanting to live for the Lord, wanting to serve the Lord, never walking away from the faith and abandoning the faith, persevering in the faith until the end, having the fruit of the spirit in their life, and not taking advantage of grace and forgiveness in regards to how they live their life.
People who believe you can lose their salvation often use the argument about people who claim to be ex-Christians. I believe there's no such thing as an ex-Christian. 1 John 2:19 is a Bible verse that is strong evidence that shows how there's no such thing as an ex-Christian. When people claim to be ex-Christians, what they usually mean by that is they used to believe in God, they used to go to church every Sunday, they used to be a fan of the Christian religion, they used to believe the Bible is true, they used to believe Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins, etc, but none of those things make someone a Christian. A Christian is someone that has accepted Christ in their heart and really meant it in their heart. When you accept Christ in your heart and really mean it in your heart, you're always going to be saved, you're never going to walk away and abandon the faith, you're never going to become an ex-Christian, etc.
Some people think Judas was an ex-Christian. I believe that Judas never was a Christian. Judas was someone that used to go to church that stopped going to church and used to be a fan of the Christian religion that stopped being a fan of the Christian religion. Judas never accepted Christ in his heart and meant it in his heart.
David did sin when he committed adultery. What David did was wrong. Adultery is a sin. David didn't lose his salvation when he committed adultery. David was punished when he committed adultery. David didn't lose his salvation since David accepted Christ in his heart and really meant it in his heart. When you accept Christ in your heart and really mean it in your heart, you still sin at times, but you never live a lifestyle defined by sin. David never lived a lifestyle defined by sin as a Christian since Christians don't live a lifestyle defined by sin. When David committed adultery, he wasn't living a lifestyle defined by sin.
Keep up the great work with your videos. I wish you the best.
@reallovemalaysia Says:
Only Jesus can give us Eternal Life. Amen. I am a 52 years old ex-transwoman from Malaysia who is living my true life. My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has healed and delivered me for His glory. Only God can do this for anyone who chooses to believe that He is able. Alleluia!
@outof_obscurity Says:
"If we sin willfully there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" Hebrews 10:26
@antorchaministries8913 Says:
Peter mentions of a dog returning to it's vomit or a swine to the mud. Can one freely reject one's Salvation and give the free gift back? Apostate? Willingly falling away from The Way after being in The Way ? Not losing the gift, but giving it back? I don't know why anyone would want to do that, but we do continue to be free will agents. Something to think about.
@antorchaministries8913 Says:
One can also ( sadly ) freely get out of a marriage... using free will ...
@brohuggie2978 Says:
NOPE, especially when it was not my will to be saved, or to follow Jesus and to try and live Godly or end up in heaven. When I had heard of the gospel I believed it, or should I say what was told to me about it. I believed it because I did not want to go to hell. But living after God was the last thing this flesh wanted or my will for that matter. If My will did not get me saved, why would I lose my free will?
Scripture teaches us that we were not saved by our free will, but by the will of God. John 1:12-13, Eph 1:5, John 6:39-40, Rom 12:2, Heb 13:21
Maybe this is why Jesus said in so many places just said to believe in Him to be saved and have eternal security; John 3:15-16 , John 3:36, John 5:24, John 6:40,
John 6:47, John 10:28, John 11:26, John 17:3
According to scripture the only way one can fall from grace is by someone being JUSTIFIED by the Law! and that is IMPOSSIBLE!; Gal 5:4, Gal 3:11
According to Scripture the only way our faith can be in vain, is If Jesus never resurrected! 1 Cor 15:14-17
According to Scripture ( IF, IF ) one can fall, he can never come back to repentance! Heb 6:4-6
According to Scripture, a believer will never be blotted out of the Book of Life Rev 3:5, 1 John 5:5
@gatfacalone808 Says:
The once saved always saved discussion can be summed up in one word (BELIEF) this is why the work of the Holy Spirit cannot and will not be done by us… it is done by a Holy And Righteous God… I can preach a sermon and someone may say they believe in that moment and very soon go back to there own ways but as our Holy Bible says in John 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
@wlonsdale1 Says:
If you believe you can become unsaved it simply means you were never savec
@andie32123 Says:
Is there free will though?
If god tells me what I will do tomorrow, can I choose to do something else?
If yes, then god is not all knowing, if no, then free will does not exist.
So which is it?
@dison513 Says:
philisopihycal salvation
@dison513 Says:
has a time travelr
@waxworse Says:
I am of the opinion that some who claimed to be Christians but no longer believe (Bart Errman for example), never were saved to begin with. I find it difficult to the point of impossible to accept that a person can be truly saved thru the blood of Jesus Christ, only to later not only stop believing, but spend the rest their lives trying to prove to everyone that God doesn't exist.
@royfriesen2889 Says:
The bible says there will be a great falling away before Jesus returns .
Only believers can fall away as the last are still in a fallen state
OSAS is not biblical
@hiddenrambo328 Says:
You can separate from God if you choose to.
@joegoodman8213 Says:
Hebrews 3 is talking to holy brethren and sharers of the heavenly calling, telling them to take heed lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the Living God.
In John 15, Jesus is the vine, and we are the branches. Those that keep remaining in Him (continuous action verb) will bear much fruit, and those that do not keep remaining in Him are cast in the fire.
In Colossians 1, He will present us holy and unblameable in His sight if we continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel.
Peter describes righteous people that return to sin as dogs turning to their vomit, and washed pigs to their wallowing in the mire.
Paul mentions he makes his body a slave so that after he has preached, he does not become disqualified (which is the same Greek word meaning reprobate in Romans 1).
He that has the Son has life. He that does not have the Son of God does not have life (1 John 5:12). This simple statement is what I go by.
In Him is where we have eternal life, and it's our choice whether to be in Him or not. That's why there are warnings and ifs attached, because we can move away from Him, but it's because we choose to do so.
@lynnstewart2326 Says:
I believe that once you truly accept Jesus you will never want to leave Him. However, that choice comes with some work. Reading scripture, praying and worship are components of the relationship. They draw you in deeper and help you stay steadfast. If you chose Jesus based on feelings and don’t the “work” then what did you chose? Easy to walk away from that. You were never saved. You aren’t saved by works but like any marriage it takes a bit of work to stay married. That’s my understanding.
@Caewrld Says:
A marriage can turn into a divorce though
@pizzarac4885 Says:
OSAS is false and Jesus words prove it. Read Matthew 25:1-12 the parable of the 10 virgins. Notice in this rapture parable
1. All 10 virgins were VIRGINS or believers
2. All 10 virgins had their lamps or the word of God (Psalm 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path)
3. The 5 foolish virgins had oil at one time (they were saved) (Matthew 25:8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’)
4. All 10 virgins were looking for Jesus return (Matthew 25:7)
BUT 5 were wise and 5 were foolish, why? They FELL AWAY (Luke 8:13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away) or ran out of OIL (Holy Spirit). They didn't know (Matthew 25:12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I DON'T KNOW YOU.’) or have a relationship with Jesus. (Hebrews 5:9, Acts 5:32, 1 John 4:8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love, John 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments).
@mblb814 Says:
Frank, we are actually in Romans 8 right now…. 3 weeks in and have only gotten the first 3-4 verses done. 😂 Pastor Jack said we’ll be parked here for awhile, said from yesterday’s (03/05/2023) sermon.
@robertdoell4321 Says:
How can you believe such foolishness as Eternal Security and "NO Changees" based on single verses. The BIBLE is a Whole Unit of GOD speaking to us and In other places JESUS and Revelations say "there will be a Great Falling Away from the Faith" or JESUS said in the parable some seed falls in the good ground but others fall in the thorns and weeds and are choked out and others fall on rocky ground and the troubles or Mocking in Life causes them to Lose their Faith. They WERE SAVED but fell into the weeds or Rocks and they LOST their SALVATION. ALL THESE VERSES TELL US SALVATION IS ETERNAL FOR THOSE WHO 'FINISH THE RACE" but many will not and turn from JESUS and SALVATION to become Atheists and Evil Enemies of JESUS and GOD and Christians and I know some of them so to believe all are Eternally Sealed by the HOLY SPIRIT through the BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT ANYWHERE is nothing but Huberous and Foolishness.
@goodness776 Says:
@1:48 John 5
"You pass death into life. From that point on you have eternal life" ok, but....
Death from what? From sin! Until you pass mortifying your carnal mind& flesh you are a believer to be saved. Eternal life comes after death to self!
@TheFberry100 Says:
"Once saved always saved" is a trick by the devil to lure us into complacency. Revelations 2:10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.
If you have to "be faithful, even to the point of death" what happens if you aren't?
Luke 9:62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.” So what happens if you look back and walk away?
1 Timothy 4:The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
What happens if you stop believing? There are those who have left the faith and become practicing atheists.
What happens if you live your life in denial of Christ and who He is? Matthew 10: 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Read the Word for yourself. Do not take my word for it.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
@KingsleyAyiviAdwenkese Says:
Ezekiel 3 is also worth looking into. If the righteous forsake their righteous ways and sin, they shall die... Salvation is like one being accepted into a school. Your academic performance will ultimately show whether you remain in the school or get expelled... Why would God spew out lukewarm people???
@e.choichs5563 Says:
Is kissing is sin?
@jeanniestaller797 Says:
This makes no sense since in marriage you can choose to leave the relationship. The same is true with Christianity.
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