Obviously, no one alive today witnessed the resurrected Christ, so how can we trust that Christ was resurrected? The disciples saw this, they knew Christ, they lived beside Him. It makes no sense that the disciples would suffer and die to perpetuate a lie of a resurrected Christ. Of course, we can believe wrongly in something and die for it, but who is going to die for what they know to be a lie? Check out the discussion Dr. Mike Licona and Frank had regarding the differences between Jesus' disciples and other religious martyrs.
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Bad news is the embellished martyrdom stories come from fantastical 2nd-3rd century+ sources, like the apocryphal Acts. There are historically credible 1st century statements about Peter's death (1 Clement 5:4, John 21:18), Paul's death (1 Clement 5:5-6), James the Son of Zebedee's death (Acts 12:2) and James the brother of Jesus's death (Josephus AJ 20.9.1). HOWEVER, they are just passing references and nothing like the more entertaining fictional martyrdoms.
Frank Turek should know better because Sean McDowell told him how flimsy this argument is during his interview. Mike Licona should know better because he is a Bible professor. Turek and Licona are LYING to you, and they know they are lying to you.
@ovauskhan8119 Says:
Dead people cannot come back. As the earlier prophets died. So resurrection it's not the right word and it's a whooper that desciple had seen messiah because it's just spoken empirical but it's doesn't says in the holy book, does it So if you say he came back he could be still down on earth for you'll don't have any traces where he can and listen to you all . As we belive he will descend in second coming flanked on the angle and will inshallah killed anti Christ dajjal.
@sillybilly7467 Says:
Atheism has no evidence by itself.
What it does is rejecting other beliefs’ evidence. But rejecting other point of views does not make yours true. What makes it true ? It’s not the absence of evidence of others beliefs.
What if one day you find one religion that explains everything ? Will you drop your atheism and adopt that religion ? Is then your atheism only based on lack of reliable (according to you) evidence?
Then it has no evidence by itself. If we were solving a crime scene, you still wouldn’t know who the murderer is. You have no theory. You are no detective. You didn’t solve the mystery. All you did is discharge other detectives’ theories.
All you say is “I don’t believe anything”. How life came to be? Whats your view on abiogenesis? What’s your view of intelligence arising from un-intelligence? What’s your view of irreducible complexity?
What are your answers atheist friend? And on what evidence are they based on?
Because all you’ve told me right now is what you don’t believe in. What do you believe in?
I don’t care if you don’t believe in my evidence but at least I have something to justify by belief. What do you have.
Atheism is empty. It doesn’t give you anything. It doesn’t explain anything. It’s only full of excuses and lack of belief. It doesn’t solve anything. It does so it can’t be attacked by anyone. You say the burden of proof is always on the other beliefs. Not true. What’s your burden of proof, atheist.
The body is still dead and the killer is still running around free and you have no idea who that is.
@laurageorgina589 Says:
I posted twice a this comment and it was deleted. 🤷♀️ A Christian martyr doesn’t kill (himself or others) to get to heaven. A Christian goes to heaven by believing in the sacrifice of Christ. For this belief someone else kills him. A Muslim martyr has to kill infidels to automatically go to heaven. There’s no assurance of going to heaven otherwise. It’s a big difference!
@NeoLegendX Says:
mike has been embarrassed on the resurrection x amount of times
@kingsleyolaleyereubenwriter Says:
This video was a blessing thank you
@antoniolopes4754 Says:
Jesus didn't clame he was God.
Jesus went to the desert to be tempted, and the devil proposition was to give him the world. So why would satan give the world to the one who created it all and know the serpent will be smashed?
Also God can't be tempted.
Plus, jesus prayed to God.
None of that makes sens.
What makes sens is jesus is the son the first born. He had a begining. God has no begining. So the problem is some bible verses sometimes confusing or even maipulated or lacking the right ponctuation, or we sometimes lack the real context
@knightclan4 Says:
Great video
@user-fp6rn2km4i Says:
Such a good point! I never thought of this.
@jmsmanroe Says:
Only Jesus came from heaven and returned to heaven and will come again. Others religion founders just human like us. All human are sinners and need redeemer. Love from Indonesia
@Dah_J Says:
This was a very insightful point. I never thought about it that way. Thank you
@jhmejia Says:
Definitely a valid point. I think there were a few very early muslim martyrs..
But I suppose it would be difficult for them to ensure that what they believed was true, since Mohammad's main miracle WAS the Qu'ran.
Definitely a good point though. I wouldn't consider myself a Christian but I never thought about it in the sense that
There are people who claimed to be eyewitnesses of supernatural events who were willing to die for such claims. Which is definitely something!
@frankstallcup8720 Says:
The truth is all religion is of Satan, the Catholic Church being the mother of them all, including Islam, religion is used to take you away from the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit dwells in us all, it’s your responsibility to seek him with all your, heart, mind and soul, the first and the greatest commandment.
You are the Temple, the altar is your mind, and this is where you worship in spirit, this is this who worship therein, like Revelation 11:1 tells you, these are the ones to be measured, the ones to receive the seal of God in there foreheads
These are the elect, who don’t fall for 1st contact, aliens or fallen angels here again as the days of Noah, saying they created us
The great delusion, that if it were possible would deceive the very elect, those with the seal of God in there foreheads, organized religion is used to teach doctrines of men, your teacher is the Holy Spirit, let me show you.
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
This clearly tells you who your teacher is.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Thus explains how Satan is transformed into an Angel of light, through religion, tracing pastors to teach doctrines of men.
Matthew 15:9
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
This tells you anyone belonging to religion, worships in vain, how do we know ?
John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Clearly it says you’re to worship in spirit
Revelation 17
The woman of Revelation 17, is the Catholic Church, mystery Babylon or Vatican City 🇻🇦 the mother of all harlots, the mother of all religions.
Babylon means to confuse, confuse all who belong to religion, when 1st contact happens, aliens or fallen angels, the whole world will hate the woman, and all her harlots, the whole world will hate religion, the world will hate anyone who gives testimony to Jesus Christ.
This is who he makes war with the saints and overcomes us, he has the support of the whole world to kill the 2 witnesses, Jews who believe and Gentiles who believe, and give testimony, while prophesying the first 3.5 years of the Great Tribulation, just as I prophesy to you now.
There will o my best one calling up, that happens at the end of the Great Tribulation, @ Jesus returns, we are transformed in the blink of an eye, and meet Jesus in the clouds, and our enemies behold us as we rise to meet him.
@thomasmichael7902 Says:
Why do the trolls rage and imagine vain things?
My apologies, that's why you're called trolls.
@Grace-fc8zx Says:
The apostles did not only believe but KNEW Jesus died on the cross and rose on the third day as he said he would. If he did not rise from his death our faith would be in vain as Paul said.
@CharityKay Says:
Key point @2:22 They actually SAW Jesus risen from the dead.
@joedaley1878 Says:
The Father is God.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Believing Christ is God is not believing he is the Son of God. It denies both God and his Son.
@alvarogomez4936 Says:
We know our Redeemer lives! He is alive forever more and one day we will see him face to face in all his glory
@jesuschristsavesfromhell4401 Says:
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD JESUS CHRIST, WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE IN HEAVEN FOREVER AND EVER. John 3:16 Bible....THE RAINBOW🌈THRONE OF SON OF GOD JESUS CHRIST AND THE TREE OF LIFE, Revelation 4 and Revelation 22 Bible. And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.🔥This is the second death. Revelations 20 bible.... ❤️I SAW A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”❤️
6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,🔥which is the second death.”REVELATION 21
@Chris-mus5be Says:
Did it not occur to you guys that perhaps the whole story is made up? They didn't die because they didn't exist, the story is made up and so are all the characters..
@Scorpion-my3dv Says:
Why would the disciples die terrible deaths for something they didn't believe in? If they never saw the resurrected Christ then Christianity would have ended there. Yet they did! Thanks be to our God who always keeps his word and loves us with an everlasting love.
@stormy7709 Says:
What is the best evidence that god exists?
@jamiekernahan6177 Says:
Tge teachings that jesus taught is deep and dangerous. It makes one see the invisible machine with hidden judgement placed upon their spirit one must be reborn to see the kingdom of heaven. Were in heaven
@samueldrake0123 Says:
Who Said Any Agnostic Or Atheists Believe Jesus and His Disciples Existed in The First Place...Let Alone their Preaching and Murder..
Its all Written by Some Group Of Master Manipulative Philosophers In The Darkness to Make it their Tool To Control the World....
@adamsandler1679 Says:
How do you even know the truth is even if you die can you really say where or who you are going to it doesn't show who is the truth but only compare scriptures and saying who really the truth is and what if you are wrong does anybody knows.
@sierraclark6129 Says:
Jesus Christ is waiting for you with His arms open wide!😁
@gorillaz_jbi Says:
You’ll die for the truth, but nobody dies for a known lie. They might die for what they “think” is the truth, but no one willingly dies for a known lie.
@dukeofsahib4967 Says:
If the apostles wouldn’t have suffered and died for claims they knew were false then why would Joseph Smith die for his claims about Mormonism?
@the_alchemy_method Says:
They’ve missed out one key factor that is the islamic wing who allegedly do suicide attacks are committing suicide and that’s totally different from being killed for what you believe. Plus the bible forbids suicide... so where they’re getting the scripture from in the koran about suicide missions idk 🤷♂️
@TalkingOutOfSchool Says:
As a child, I remember laying outside on the lawn looking up into the night sky with binoculars for the first time, and thinking "Wow, who made all this" while sensing the Eternal.
He had me at Creation.
(Sadly, chemtrails and excessive city lights are robbing children of these experiences in the sky with their Creator; likely on purpose).
@Tjamir1582 Says:
For knowing the true teachings of Muslims you should watch Christian Prince debates (he has profound deep knowledge about Islam). He exposes the lies and even the Muslim leaders are afraid of debating him.
@liberation.of.Al-Aqsa Says:
You are a sick person for comparing terrorists to the real martyrs of God.
@theoskeptomai2535 Says:
And apparently no one back in the 1st century witnessed a resurrected Jesus either.
@anthonygilio3842 Says:
Se voce nao crer voce morrera em teus pecados
@thomasmichael7902 Says:
We suffer because this is the world we're born into, one of suffering and sorrow and death. But we have hope in Jesus Christ and His Gospel of Salvation and eternal life in Him. Those of God hear the power in these words and those not of God have no hope in anything except stealing the hope of the faithful.
@CME215 Says:
I always like this concept of explaining it. Why would the Jews make up a false Christ when their Culture taught them that they would go to hell for worshipping a false God. Yet they did follow and Worship Jesus and willingly went to their Deaths for claiming to see him risen from the dead! That is a Historical truth claim. If you go to Muhammad now, He contradicts it. So we have to ask ourselves who is more reliable Muhammad or Jesus? Sure you might have Muslims with strong Faith willing to die for that belief. But the strength of their faith does not matter. Its the Objective of their Faith that matters. In other words. I might have a little bit of Faith in Jesus (THICK ICE) All I needed was a little faith and that thick ice, the Objective of my Faith, was solid and reliable. A Muslim can have EXTREME Faith in Thin Ice, Either way though the objective of his Faith is not reliable and he falls through the Ice.
God said to Moses in the Spirit "Tell the people of Israel I AM WHO I AM, Tell them "I AM" has sent you" When Jesus said to the people "Before Abraham was born "I AM" and YAHWEH is the Hebrew word for I AM WHO I AM, It is derived off the word for I AM. Jesus clearly told us who he was. The disciples and over 500 eye witnesses claimed to have seen a risen Christ.
Compare this perfect Sinless life of Jesus and the death and resurrection to Muhammad now. So Muhammad was 500 years after Christ, He never was a eye witness and is to young to have ever spoken with a eye witness. Muhammad was a war lord who lived by the Sword. How many wives did Muhammad have? What did Muhammad say about his enemies? What happen to Muhammad after death? Islam is a divided religion too. Some take the part of peace, Others take the part of Death to Infidels. Who is the thick ice we should put our Faith in Jesus or Muhammad?
@yami4910 Says:
Christian's (not generally) of course using their "Christian logic" and applying it to Islam.
Turek says that the muslims haven't witnessed anything and of course he is talking about modern day muslims.
I find this really weird. Basically what he is saying is that modern day muslims didn't witness anything but modern day Christian's have.
If he is saying muslims at the time of the Prophet pbuh, then he severely lacks knowledge and history.
There is no difference. Let's not consider religion to be true, what are martyrs dying for? Both Muslim and Christian martyrs are dying for their own *BELIEF* .
@jdshl8423 Says:
For fame, fortune, and a harem. If not in this life, then in the next.
@SaikoBlkBunny Says:
No one choose to die, they were murdered. Jesus didn't want to die. Luke 22:42. I'm pretty sure Christian didn't choose to die but their murder is the testimony of their devotion for Jesus.
@piegros Says:
Good video
@RobertA-oi6hw Says:
Ask a Christian in North Korea or China or Pakistan what it's like to be a martyr and be in fear for your life every day. They can tell you.
@RobertA-oi6hw Says:
If a Muslim martyr wants to get to heaven they have to kill an "infidel"
If a christian martyr goes to heaven it is because someone killed them.
Big difference.
Martyrdom is seen very different in Islam and Christianity.
@steelcity6420 Says:
And why did the pharisees not produce a body? That would have silenced everyone and stopped Christianity before it even began and that is exactly what the pharisees wanted to do.
@colinmatts Says:
Who said they invented the resurrected Jesus? It's a story in a book. We have no way of verifying whether or not it is true. And who knows if the characters in the story died for believing the resurrection. No one knows for certain how the apostles died. Their martyrdom is just church tradition. Subsequent Christians may have been killed for refusing give up their BELIEF in the resurrection. That doesn't mean the story is true. Consider Thomas More, martyred in 1535 for refusing to relinquish his Catholicism. Does his death make Catholicism true?
@rodneysimpson11 Says:
Jospeh Smith also died for his religion as well. Am I mistaken?
@Imaginathor-1k0 Says:
They all self sacrifice n kill because they want to be in their heaven. That's what they believe.
@justincameron9661 Says:
Awesome video
@SumiOccult Says:
My beautiful Christians.
@IGotsToKnow2 Says:
Atheism and Islam are the absolute worst religions.
God defines God.
Christianity defines God up.
@HAZZTHASWIFT Says:
My issue is that even if we concede that the eyewitnesses of Jesus’ resurrection is compelling enough evidence there’s still other issues I have with Christianity. Like, why even base the salvation of humanity on a belief system when he knows our minds are limited and there’s always going to be different perspectives of things. Heck, even within the same beliefs there are different beliefs lol. So why even create such a standard knowing the outcome? It would’ve been much easier to base it on our behavior and how we treat one another? Not what we believe. Not to mention, hell for all of eternity is way too harsh of a punishment to give someone just because they didn’t accept something they weren’t convinced of. That doesn’t sound like a loving or understanding god to me. So like I said even if the whole martyr argument is solid there are still other issues Christianity has.
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