Are you familiar with the Second Law of Thermodynamics? It states that nature is heading towards disorder. See how Frank uses this nearly closed scientific fact to help defend a Creator and how it undermines the idea of macroevolution. Yet, even without pointing to a Creator, macroevolution does not solve the problems of the origin of life. Why not? Watch this!
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@ericstevens8939 Says:
Consider a parcel of air containing the usual atmospheric constituents (aside from particulates) here on earth, at a temperature and pressure that allows all these constituents to exist in the gas phase. Disorder is in charge: molecules all bouncing around like over-caffeinated bees in a jar.
Now lower the temperature. The parcel is losing energy. Eventually deposition will turn the water vapor into a snowflake. A snowflake is a highly-ordered arrangement of water molecules compared to the random bounciness of water in the gas phase. And this all happens while the parcel is “running down” on its way to heat death.
If you are a Christian using Frank’s logic who’s ever seen a snowflake, you are in real trouble.
@x...Pea-Jay...x Says:
This is from a Christian perspective. I prefer science when it comes to these sort of questions. I think science has proved that order can come from chaos. You can get chaos becoming ordered, and then returning to a chaotic state. Crazy stuff.
@bayesngays9341 Says:
The answer is yes. It is nonsense that natural laws move towards disorder. See self organising criticality and self assembly in natural systems.
@uolocur9356 Says:
Things don't breed to evolve. You're making false premises to make it seem like you're so obviously right. Sick
@uolocur9356 Says:
So because evolutionist can't prove where life came from its God. Makes sense. So everything that we don't understood and can explain yet must be supernatural. Really dude?
@uolocur9356 Says:
Do you really believe that if there was any Crack in the theory of evolution, there wouldn't be scientists lined up down the street to prove it wrong? It is one of the most tested and studied areas of science, and simple arguments like this miss evolution entirety
@memastarful Says:
Genesis chapter 1
@tennicksalvarez9079 Says:
Um why is a theist talking about science if he is using the word 'macro evolution'
@christandhimcrucified3868 Says:
Wow 👏 This is very true. It's mind blowing how brilliant persons like scientists, etc., doesn't belive in God based on this information that they know. I pray that God will touch the heart of the persons who doesn't believe in him in Jesus name 🙏
@theoskeptomai2535 Says:
If _anyone_ has any questions concerning the position of atheism or would like to understand why a former evangelical Christian came to adopt such a position, I will gladly answer any questions you may have. Peace.
@zeddicuszorrander3599 Says:
Chaos, order, and disorder are just perceptions. You might think the wildfire is chaotic, but really physics, down to the molecular level, is controlling what is happening. Likewise, you might think the Big Bang is "chaotic," but really everything that is happening is control by nature. It's not chaotic, it's following certain rules.
@ta3p-theannex3project84 Says:
What a accumulation of nonsense. Everything in ordered in fine detail. Even lower than dna. Shooting out nonsense does not make it ok. This close to telling lies. Secondhand salesman talks.
@Dhorpatan Says:
Frank Turek should take this video down. He embarrassed himself with it.
@shauno6799 Says:
You can bring order to chaos, or you can bring chaos to order, either way, order wins!
@sierraclark6129 Says:
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
@rosariopresti9792 Says:
Amen.
@rosariopresti9792 Says:
Amen.
@JontheBerean Says:
I believe in devolution, God's perfect creation has been slowly falling apart and getting worse .
Mankind's sin is to blame.
@JasonSchmidt-1979 Says:
Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life!
@rplayer3846 Says:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 NKJV
@rydrakee57370 Says:
So, you're saying thermodynamics are a problem for evolution? No, they're not. There are videos explaining it. I forgot the reason though. Maybe it has to do with open an closed systems.
Anyway regarding reactions, they don't only depend on entropy, there are other factors that determine if a reaction will take place or not. And that's for reactions. I personally don't see how that applies on the evolutionary scale because one gene more or less if it works it works. If flies or humans both exist so what's the difference between them existing now and them beginning to exist back then? Wouldn't thermodynamics them disprove reproducción itself? Because don't we create order from disorder there? A human out of many molecules out of different places and origins?
So, you're saying all stay in the genus of dogs. Ok, what about birds then? Would you say "it's still a bird so so "macroevolution"" even if it's progeny changed orders over time? If so, who determines which taxon is the one a species mist cross to be considered to have evolved macroly?
Update: I googled it and if I'm not mistaken it refers to closed systems with no energy deliverance. There, warmth cannot travel from low to high, molecules cannot travel against their concentration gradient and thermal energy cannot convert into mechanical energy.
Despite that, we can clearly see the opposite happening: refrigerators, active transport, etc. Why? Because you can overcome that obstacle by giving energy to the process. Entropy helps to predict whether reactions can take place spontaneously or not.
But it's in no way a problem for evolution.
@Amy-un6xg Says:
The only comment Frank made that I believe is not technically accurate was his comment on macroevolution. When one uses the term macroevolution they are typically implying speciation. I suppose the definition or understanding of macroevolution has somewhat evolved to be referring to more general changes in higher taxonomic levels since even evolutionists have come to realize actual speciation is a faaar stretch from the evidence they have collected (I feel like they are constantly changing terminology bc they are starting to grasp at straws to validate Darwin's original theory). If speciation or even the new understanding of macroevolution is true, then the Genesis account of creation becomes questionable (but I may need to delve into binomial nomenclature more to get a more full understanding). If it's not accurate, then it can't be trusted. If I can't trust Genesis then how do I really know what parts of the Bible are an accurate depiction of how I'm supposed to live my life, or actual events. I don't think the Word of God would mislead us. As far as I have been able to ascertain there is no legitimate evidence for speciation. On that basis I can reject it, which further validates the Biblical account.
I really like Frank and Norman's book thus far. I listen to it on Audible while driving and going to sleep lol They give some solid ways to approach the subject of truth.
@jhmejia Says:
Abiogenesis does have
@larzman651 Says:
Evolution 🤔 I'm still not convinced. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION NO NEED TO RESPOND
@hanshammerhand9854 Says:
Can order come from chaos? Yes, easy answer.
Yes, thermodynamics teaches us that ordered systems are going to deal eith increased entropy with time. However chaos is a simplification that doesn't discribes very accurate what is meant with entropy, otherwise we would use chaos. But lets say chaos increases.
This doesn't exclude that ordered patterns can evolve within this chaos. Partial order is not impossible, its a mathamatical neccessity.
Analogy: You take a standard card deck of 52 ordered cards and throw them on the ground and pickit back up. Now its disordered. You do this over and over. Everytime you do this, you add another stack. Now after many many run throughs, and thats a mathematical essential, there will be one Deck that will be completly ordered again. And after more time, there will be 3 Stacks back to back that are ordered.
However in order to accomplish that it was first nessasary to higly increase chaos.
And thats actually how atheists can argue. Inorder to make our existence and Planet possible our universe first had to make waaay much more chaos.
And yes its not proving that god does not exists. Its just an attemp how atheists and mathamatics explain order.
@guitarplyr327 Says:
To say I don’t know and therefore God is intellectually lazy and dishonest
@guitarplyr327 Says:
Frank lacks a basic understanding of scientific principles and it’s laughable
@simplyseculardave Says:
"Are you familiar with the Second Law of Thermodynamics?" Good Question. It's obvious that Frank has never studied it, or any of the other law of Thermodynamics.
There is no Atheistic viewpoint of science. Atheist is a position on Deity belief, and nothing else.
And then he demonstrates his ignorance pf phylogenetics... again.
It baffles me how Frank can continue to make these 'many times corrected' false assertions. I bet that every day, more of his 'followers' learn enough about these ignorant arguments to give up trying so hard to believe things for which there is no evidence.
@brotherchrisrco1125 Says:
It's funny and suspicious. When I was a child or even a teenager, movies were made so differently. When there was a mystery with a mysterious villion. In the end, the solution to there problem was God and Jesus. Today they try to make the solution anything but God. Especially with Time Travel Movies. God doesn't exist in any future. The Only TV Show that did this and were right was The Good Place. You would think that a show about Afterlife would include God but in the Good Place there in Hell, believing their in Heaven and God is Nowhere to be found. No one has ever met Him. They are just as clueless as atheists are in life. That's about right. They chose to keep God out of their lives and now they got it. Forever. Not only spending Eternity without God but Eternity without having ANY ANSWERS. If you choose to see this Series, be sure to notice the EMPTY feelings you get at the end. The Good Place is not Heaven but Hell...
@FrankTurekVideo Says:
Thanks for your comments everyone. My short answer to this gentlemen is concerning the origin of life and new life forms. It is not to suggest that natural laws cannot bring order locally in terms of galaxies, crystals, molecular compounds or in pre-existing living things (which is what I only partially said... the limitation inherent in a short answer). They just don't bring the kind of order necessary to create a living thing (specified complexity e.g. the genetic code). Nature would disorder any progress in all the steps necessary to bring forth specified complexity, which is one reason why abiogenesis doesn't work. Once a living thing exists it can grow by taking energy from its environment (as I said), but macroevolution appears to run into insurmountable problems such as irreducible complexity, epigenetic information (which can't be modified by mutations), and the lack of the new code necessary for new body plans (which is not achieved by mutating the existing code as admitted by many neo-Darwinists-- that's why they are looking for a completely new naturalistic mechanism to drive evolution). And even if natural laws could do all this, we are still left asking why those laws exist in the first place and why they are so precisely fine-tuned and uniform. The existence of the fine-tuned universe, laws that govern it, the first life forms, and subsequent life forms all appear to be effects that are best explained intelligent causes.
@nunya3399 Says:
Maybe to nature though, a pile of bricks is what order looks like. I guess the master of this world is reflected in the nature of it.
@Matthew_Holton Says:
Put simply, order can come from chaos. We see it all the time. Entropy increases overall in a closed system. The earth's biosphere is not a closed system, it receives energy from both the sun and geologic processes. We see complex order arise from simple rules and network geometries in computer simulations. Artificial life simulations show the processes of self-organisation in dynamic systems. To suggest that order cannot arise without some kind of 'intelligent' intervention is to fly in the face of a vast and growing body of scientific knowledge and verifiable evidence. If anyone wants to see an early experiment into this field look up Hollan'ds first experiments in core-war digital evolution which saw complex behaviour including parasitism emerge from amazingly simple initial rule sets.
@marksandsmith6778 Says:
Garbage.
A travesty of science.
@finnknoop457 Says:
The second law of thermodynamics doesn't state that "things go to disorder, not order". It states that any thermodynamic process will result in a global increase of entropy. Entropy isn't a measure of disorder of all things, it is a measure of disorder in the distribution of energy amongst particles, for example, if energy is evenly distributed between ten particles, the entropy would be higher than if five had lots of energy and five had very little energy. The second law of thermodynamics implies lots of things, including the eventual heat death of the universe, but it doesn't have any implications on whether things in nature tend to order or disorder (I am not a scientist, but I am fairly sure my definitions are correct. Either way, Frank is misrepresenting the second law of thermodynamics).
Also Frank says that laws must come from a law giver. Not only does he provide no evidence for this, it logically can't be true. In the situation that there is no law giver, if what Frank says is true, there can be no laws. This surely includes the law that all laws must come from a law giver.
Frank also says that the fact that we haven't managed to use selective breeding to break out of the dog genus is evidence against natural evolution. He neglects to mention that we have only been selectively breeding animals for a relatively small time compared to how long life has existed, most likely not long enough for it to be likely that enough random genetic mutation would occur for that to happen.
@bandie9101 Says:
2nd low of thermodynamics is about the entropy of the **whole system**, which is growing over time, but it does allow entropy in "local patches" to lower. scientists' conjecture is that beginning of life on Earth was a local patch of low entropy state.
this does not refutes divine reality; i just pointed out it is not whole picture…
@toomanyhobbies2011 Says:
Please don't use the "scientific consensus" argument. Nothing in science is "closed", it's ALL up for modification. Just say that Entropy is well founded and makes "spontaneous improvement" highly unlikely. Thermodynamics is at heart a statistical science, albeit statistics of essentially infinite "populations", unlike social "sciences" which often use fake statistical data which depend on political consensus.
@jhmejia Says:
My question is if macroevolution were to be shown to be true, would that convince you the Christian god didn’t exist?
Or how about if scientists manage to active abiogenesis? Would you leave the faith?
@ryana1787 Says:
The answer is yes, by the way. Order can come from “chaos”
@ryana1787 Says:
I’m sorry, but this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the second law. It doesn’t say anything about order.
@kongstrong1938 Says:
Great video. Love the explanation. Will use this information going forth
@naucifacio Says:
This should be a new brand fallacy, is kinda staw man, entropy doesn't mean "disorder", that's a simplified version that tries to explain the concept to the public, entropy is more like the systems tending to the most probable states (which is kind of obvious), not necessarily the more disordered, for example if you throw sand into a glass of water it will tend to get to the bottom (this can be considered in a way tendency to order) and this is nothing else than the second law of thermodynamics in work.
@superfly2449 Says:
Snowflakes are products of chaos. A chaotic pre-Big Bang cosmos produced our universe. This guy is a sophisticated Medieval thinker. We need to move on.
@RhythmEmotions Says:
The comet that killed the dinosaur 🦕 probably set some sort of reaction off to start the life creating process
@jhmejia Says:
Creationists, SMH... evolution is proven beyond any reasonable doubt lol. The obvious answer to the 2nd law of thermodynamics conundrum as to how stuff keeps growing is that the Earth is not a closed system, there's this thing called the sun constantly putting energy in the form of light and heat.
@alphamegaradio Says:
And THAT, my friends... is what you call a slam dunk. 👊 The Big Bang Theory and Darwinian Evolution suffer the same fatal problem. Those pesky scientific laws...
@Imaginathor-1k0 Says:
All these debates is just chaos
@Derek_Baumgartner Says:
Quite often in comment sections under Christian videos, I see folks try to 'box in' the person speaking.
One guy gave his testimony, so one person mocked one part of that testimony, oversimplified part of it and said 'Oh, he met a girl who changed his mind. Always how it is.'
One guy stands up and speaks about science, so another guy (in this very comment section) says of Frank 'He's white! And middle-aged! Always how it is.'
Any dealing with the evidence? No: but definitely mocking the speaker.
'Oh, you grew up that way. Always how it is.'
'Oh, you're in the west. Always how it is.'
'Oh, you're a man. Always how it is.'
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We all have a tendency to try to 'box in' and 'categorize' people we disagree with so we don't have to deal with the evidence they provide.
But it's possible to fight that urge and deal with the argument. If truth really is on your side, the answer to their argument is, too.
When I see someone resort to ad hominem instead, it tells me that they likely have no clue what they're talking about if name-calling is all they have.
Don't be afraid of saying "I don't know" or "I need to look into that." It can be difficult - pride is a terrible thing - but taking someone's points seriously goes a long way towards learning for yourself, and answering for others.
People watch who are are, not just what we say.
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Thanks for the vids: keep up the great work!
@Imaginathor-1k0 Says:
Frank is trying to bring order in this chaotic world..........Ordo ab Chao
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