If god created another universe where you were not standing there, then it would mean that universe drove you towards choosing not to (since you are still you and the only changing variable is indeed the universe around you), which ultimately means god did by creating that universe
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@crichardwc Says:
Did you know that Adam chose to sin with eve even though he was not deceived 1 Timothy 2:14? He should have consulted with God on the forbidden fruit but he chose to eat it to suffer the consequences with eve. This is free will.
@benm6615 Says:
Preposterous
@17DanielNaru Says:
If we do NOT have free will, then God causes us to choose Him. He determined that we will choose Him. Even though I am in a way perfectly ok with that, (rather live with God than without Him) that means nobody ever truly chooses God. We are forced to by God Himself.
It's like marriage for example. If you were compelled or forced to marry your spouse, is that real love?
There must be options here, for you to know that out of all those, you were the one your spouse wanted to spend their life with...
Besides life would have no meaning if God determined every little thing, even choosing to follow Him.
We'd all be robots and God would be a conceded being who only cares about Himself.
Yet the Bible always describes the church as, the Bride of Christ. A bride and a groom choose each other. God's character is one of gentleness and care for His creation and especially for His people.
Scripture speaks of having faith in Christ as a CHOICE. If God makes that choice for you then it means nothing that "we" choose Him.
But if we freely choose to follow Him, that means everything
@endtimesmontages7777 Says:
Better said God knows all aspects and what aspects you're more potentially going to choose. He is beyond the third dimension. So he sees all potential choices. And also forward and backward in time.
@eagyinjection Says:
There is no free will. If u do not do what god wants, you will go to hell
@arunk2710 Says:
Whether God is causing your actions or not doesn’t change the fact that you cannot do anything other than what God already knows you will do. Even if we define free will as simply the ability to make choices and take actions without being coerced, can it truly be called 'Free' when it is predetermined?
@danield96826 Says:
Best explanation I’ve heard that’s based on scripture 👌
@SuperArnie Says:
Turek is a blatant liar, who knows that there’s a contradiction, but insists on his interpretation of determinism.
@timothykeith1367 Says:
When the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, he looked into the future and saw that Mary would become the mother of Jesus. Lol
@bradharford6052 Says:
Would ANY loving and responsible father, not override the free will of his child to save them from destruction? Neither would our Heavenly Father.
@timothykring4772 Says:
We choose within limits and those limits are determined by God . We don't have boundless free will , yet we are morally responsible within the bounds, limits, parameters where we've been created .
@RevelationEndTimeNow Says:
1 Peter 1:20 says, He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world... This means God must have preplanned everything which means not even Jesus had free will when He was foreordained to die for our sins even before we and the world were created.
@WW-qf2fm Says:
Simply put, it's all about obedience. He wants everyone to do as He said, especially about he commandments. He knows this world is now full of sin and we have to do what he tells us to do , especially in those commandments. We can't fight the devil, but he can control us.And to doing what he wants us to do.But god has given us the choice to do what He wants us to do. His choices are always good choices. When we don't listen we are dealt a wrong hand regardless two if we came in in a lot later, the curse of disobedience is already upon us.
@TheFudmeister Says:
Frank turek just said god can create a multiverse hahahaha
@eensio Says:
Man wants to distinguish himself from other living beings by claiming that he has free will. This is a religious conclusion, in order to create a coherent explanation for sin and the punishment for sin in hell. The proclamation of free will seeks to blame man and is a consistent part of religious intimidation, which also includes the message of atonement and salvation. They also function as a threat: salvation is not credible unless there is a threat or danger from which to be saved.
@johnmott887 Says:
His explanation doesn't agree with Romans chapter 9
@teddygatica2210 Says:
The problem with this argument is that you are limiting Gods power. If he doesn't know what we will do does that then grant us free will? No because it doesnt change anything. He simply IS all knowing theefore there is no way he cannot know.
@garretgarbinski2516 Says:
I’m struggling with this because God did cause us to do what we’re doing by creating us. Before creating us, He knew what we were going to do. So, at that point he has two options. Either don’t create us or create us and send us down a path that he knows what’s going to happen. Either way, he caused all our decisions.
@patrickshepherd1341 Says:
Lol he contradicted his own argument, using his own argument! God could've created another universe where things would've turned out differently, but chose this trajectory on purpose. Meaning God CHOSE which course of events would happen. Without our will being anywhere involved.
@user-kv1po2dm5j Says:
I don’t think this argument comes up very often in the philosophy of religion. Molina answered this question centuries ago.
@lucillasallabank Says:
Oh God! 😂😂😂🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
What God? Where is it? In your vivid imagination perhaps.
@cmvamerica9011 Says:
So he’s not all powerful or not all good.😮
@damianabbate4423 Says:
😂😂 Start it off with a completely unprovable presupposition of a god being outside of time. This is just a post biblical idea, made up by apologists to solve contradictory unsolvable problems in a way that is unverifiable and beyond most people's imagination, so they don't question the idea.
After reading the bible, how can anyone come to the conclusion that a god gives free will? Anyone that didn't do exactly what this god wanted was threatened, cursed, drowned, burned, murdered, genocided, enslaved or used as a human sacrifice. Your god sent lying spirits, and floods to wipe out people that disagreed. Even at the end of time, if you don't agree you'll end up in hell. It's absolutely not true in any sense that you can arrive at this conclusion.
@gimi2395 Says:
The way I'm understanding this: God knows US. Therefore he knows what we're like, therefore knows our choices. I know if my son had a choice between lemonade and Pepsi, he'll probably choose Pepsi. I didn't make him get it, but bc i know him, i knew what he'd get.
@IGotsToKnow2 Says:
Anti-God people create things.
Do the created things limit the creators?
Why should God's creation limit Him?
@BornAgain490 Says:
Is Frank a Molinist?
@eensio Says:
Human "free will" is not as free as we imagine. The wider we look and manage to perceive, the less we find true freedom.
Arthur Schopenhauer has stated: "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills!"
@christopherlopez2464 Says:
If knowing someone’s future (or in this case everyone’s future) means you know what is going to happen in their life it doesn’t necessarily mean you made them do anything. It simply means you know. Which doesn’t contradict free will. God has the keys to the future but doesn’t have the keys to the decision’s we make. In other words we have free will. Why does that seem so hard for people to grasp. No one says He makes anyone do anything because if he did then we wouldn’t have freewill. So again where is the contradiction? I don’t understand why this so hard to grasp for those trying to figure it out. Nonetheless Jesus love you and God bless you all ❤️🙏🏽
@bbb12124 Says:
First of all, this topic seems very theoretical because it literally does not mention the concept of free will in the Bible. So by that standard, it's unbliblical. So one must wonder why some Christians are so beholden to the idea. Second, an idea that popped into my mind is that God has access to the data that was already recorded because who says the "beginning" was the FIRST beginning?
@jasonq8523 Says:
I went to buy a pizza but God knows I will have a burger instead. If my future is set to have the "free will" to buy a burger, as God knows that already, there is no free will, there is just the illusion that I do. He is basically saying "you have the freedom to choose between pizza and burger, as long as you choose the burger".
@l3tt3ra Says:
I am given to understand that it would be determinism if God is already aware of exactly what actions I'll practice from all the provided possiblities before the time is due, he cannot know what I'll do before i have done it because if I'm given a choice to act differently to what he anticipates then he must not know my future... therefore if he does, then my life was predestined and it implies i have no free will. His argument is flawed.
@ModernMan23 Says:
This is word salad nonsense and couldn't disagree more
@samuellundblad5766 Says:
How does he know that? Was it because of the way he created us?
@querty985 Says:
Yes god is causing us to do things, he is the first cause. According to monotheism
@Comeonman4reel Says:
Before God even created the world he knew he was gonna send his only begotten son, The Lord Jesus Christ to die for the sins of the world
@EmilyKnowlton-i4e Says:
His glasses are screaming to return to 1985. We can't do anything to save his glasses. If Jesus was here he would turn his glasses into wine. You're welcome
@Golfdude247 Says:
Just a question.... I say if we grant there is a supernatural power outside of time.... even if I grant that.... how now does one know that this power knows how everything is going play out ? Like where is Frank getting this secret information that know one else has access too apparently?
I mean it is just claim after claim coming out of Franks mouth that he doesn't back up.
@bigbusiness3000 Says:
We get assimilated by borg you lose your identity but you get guaranteed eternal life.
@nocharactor Says:
then why would he create us if he knew we would go to hell
@Postmark-i5m Says:
God is outside of time ? Please provide evidence Frank to show that is actually true. ?
@kevinvaughn6468 Says:
So he knew about the Uvalde massacre and did nothing? Sounds like a prick.
@nancymoore8250 Says:
... this guy talks in circles🤪 ... the man in the audience is correct.
@jefferymclamb9625 Says:
I love the super bowl analogy
@christclinger6540 Says:
I think we have to define what free will is because . I do believe we have a free will but it’s not outside the confines of God’s decree. The Bible is clear that no one seeks after God when left to our own choice. Before the fall Adam and Eve were truly free to choose between righteousness and unrighteousness. But after the fall we are left to freely choose between sin. God elects before we do anything good or bad whom He shows compassion and mercy to. Jacob He loved , Esau He hated, Romans 9. Our salvation is 100% an act of God. It’s not of our works, Ephesians 2:8-10. The absolute sovereignty of God is crucial in understanding soteriology amongst other biblical doctrine. I absolutely think Arminians are Christians but that theology weakens the power of God and His sovereignty by exalting man as a participant in God’s will. Make no mistake, we are 100% responsible for our sin. But we are 0% responsible for our salvation.
@danmeyer0552 Says:
God's knowledge is like an infallible barometer. The barometer's always right, but the barometer doesn't determine the weather, but it is the weather that determines what the barometer will say. God's knowledge works in a similar way: Either because He is outside of spacetime and from His vantage point can look at a location in the 4D spacetime block and “see” the future, or whether He is in time with us and can perfectly conceive of the future, our free will determines what God knows, in the same way the weather determines what the barometer will say. God's knowledge is chronologically prior to our actions, but our actions are logically prior to what God knows. I believe in a conceptual model of divine cognition, rather than a perceptual one. I believe that God is timeless sans creation, but He is temporal since creation for the purpose of interacting with His creation.
@michaelferketic3540 Says:
Free will is the ability to control the focus of our attention. That's the definition, I don't know why anyone has said this before.
@cddpmpls35 Says:
..funny how he used the term "elect" when describing how God elected to create the universe but can't carry it through to the elect.. 😮
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