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Are we putting our ability to progress as a society at risk giving into the primitive mind?
I'm excited for this episode today with Tim Urban, the man that turned his blog into a global movement who is now bringing us a new framework through which to through complex societal issues. You're possibly one of over 65 million people that watched Tim Urban's legendary TedTalk, Inside the Mind of a Master Procrastinator.
Tim is joining me today to introduce ideas from his book, What's Our Problem?: A Self-Help Book for Societies, and this leads into an epic conversation unpacking the primitive mind, woke ideology that has weaponized words, and how the alternative to equal opportunity is possibly a disaster.
Check out Tim's book, What's Our Problem: https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Our-Problem-Self-Help-Societies-ebook/dp/B0BTJCTR58
QUOTES:
'We live in this advanced civilization where so much of our natural programming tendencies actually hurt us and misfire, so we're constantly in this kind of tug of war.
'When we have a more accurate picture of the world, we can do more for the world.'
'The fact that there is also subjective experience, which each person kind of has their own, to me that's part of objective truth. Objective truth is just reality.'
'I see really well-intentioned people get lost in the sequence of, every answer is going to be nuanced and nuance is very hard if you can't talk out loud.' -Tom Bilyeu
'The dictator and their little consortium have the power to do what they want, so they do and other people don't so they can't.'
'It's a very disempowering thing to teach kids that this country, because there is inequality, is inherently oppressive and I think it is just demotivating.'
'What concerns me about our current political environment is that we have so many hard problems ahead, big discussions we have to have as a species, and our society has to be able to have its wits about us. We have to have our wits about us going into this future where we're getting more godlike power and be wise about it because the stakes are going up.'
Follow Tim Urban:
Website: https://waitbutwhy.com/
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@Mateo-et3wl Says:
This guy is so far up his own ass. And this is what passes for intellectual discourse in the US 😢
@shepardthinks Says:
I have yet to hear persuasive arguments in support of most of the ideologies that fall under the "woke" umbrella.
@shepardthinks Says:
Tom, I have been a fan of yours since discovering you at a live event in Salt Lake City many years ago. Something that I have not heard you address, that I would be very interested in learning your thoughts about, would be moral philosophy.
As a Voluntaryist, your guest who is most similar in worldview to me is Robert Breedlove. Most of your conversations have been about cryptocurrency, and I would be interested in your perspectives about whether pragmatically centrally planning human individual's futures, of course by "the smartest" "experts," is morally proper.
Most of your thinking appears from the outside to be based on a foundation that I would enjoy observing you challenge. That challenge is that some people, the smart ones, ought to manage society. I think we are in complete agreement but the dentist 80% of humanity is pretty dumb, as humorously demonstrated in this sad comedy documentary, Idiocracy. Recognizing that most people are pretty stupid, I still am not persuaded that the smart, wealthy and powerful top part of society ought to organize and rule over everyone else, even if it is done because we think we are helping people live better lives.
@nicolemartin1782 Says:
Can we have Noam Chomsky on this show before he passes.❤
@mattanderson6672 Says:
Thank you, brilliant episode!
@DEFACTO9 Says:
"dangerous woke ideology"... oh like The far right isn't? Give me a break. No to this fool.
@patrickl6932 Says:
yawn
@NeuroPulse Says:
I find Tom's idea of exploring fictitious hallucinations instead of reality to be so profoundly disgusting and appalling and also quite frankly to be missing the fundamental breakthrough of DLT: mathematically provable honesty. Tom, look into the game Scorn, that's about your idea of exploring fictitious hallucinations, or the Matrix. Would you really take the blue pill? Absurd if true.
@NeuroPulse Says:
I don't remember Hilary Clinton honoring the 2016 election results. I remember she was saying Trump won dishonorably and that his voters were deplorable.
@lilytea3 Says:
0:25: 🧠 The Primitive mind drives humans to act on base instincts, but the Enlightenment offers a way to overcome them and create a better society.
14:30: 🧠 Thinking with the motive of truth leads to a more accurate understanding of the world and better decision-making.
28:27: 🤔 The speaker believes in the existence of objective truth and criticizes the post-modernist idea that each person has their own truth.
42:53: 📚 The importance of embracing humility, curiosity, and the willingness to learn in order to grow and evolve as individuals.
56:36: 🏛 The decay of support beams in the liberal house, such as trust in free elections and belief in free speech, poses a threat to good times and can lead to bad times.
1:10:41: 🏛 The speaker believes that the liberal house, which represents liberal values, laws, and norms, is crucial for a good society and needs to be defended against the destructive forces of woke ideology and MAGA movements.
1:28:05: 🏛 The liberal games, consisting of a well-thought-out set of rules and a belief in those laws, have been successful in fending off power games in America for a couple of hundred years.
1:37:36: 🤔 The discussion explores the concept of equal opportunity and equal outcome, considering the balance between fairness and practicality.
1:53:42: 📚 The speaker discusses the importance of education in achieving equal opportunity and human flourishing, while acknowledging the complexities and challenges involved.
2:05:47: 💡 The speaker believes that the development of AI and genetic engineering is inevitable and should be approached with caution and wisdom, considering the potential benefits and risks.
2:19:28: 🤔 The speaker discusses the potential implications of AI and the importance of preserving liberal values.
2:33:09: 😮 The speaker discusses the possibility of living in a simulation and the concept of consciousness, while also exploring the idea of an afterlife and the desire for immortality.
2:46:50: 🤯 The speaker discusses the vastness of time and the concept of consciousness lasting for an infinite amount of time, referencing the Black Mirror episode where a simulated consciousness experiences a thousand years for every minute that passes.
Recap by Tammy AI
@roxee57 Says:
People need to learn there’s a difference between conservative who seek to conserve the principles & institutions of liberal democracy which includes freedom of belief which is why there’s a lot of conservative religious believers that vote with them so they can continue to both practice & proselytise their beliefs, and conservative religious believers who don’t want to conserve liberal democracy because they seek to replace it with their version of theocracy. And people need to learn there’s a difference between liberals who want to conserve the principles and institutions of liberal democracy which includes freedom of belief which is why there’s a lots of Marxists and postmodernists that vote with them so they can continue to advocate for their ideas and effect policy, and Marxists & postmodernists who don’t want to conserve liberal democracy because they seek to replace it with their version of socialism/communism or anarchy.
@DJSTOEK Says:
Thank you
@danielrose542 Says:
Good.
@ryanflynn6819 Says:
This dude is blowing my mind 😂
@attilabodi826 Says:
nobody will represent you, nobody cares about you, nobody wants to do whats best for you, AI could be the nobody we have been waiting for, vote for nobody
@spartancrown Says:
Keeps using Hillary as a example but obviously forgets she called Trump illegitimate and he stole the election or that 2016 was not on the level and we still don’t know what happened. Jimmy Carter, Trump lost and was put in office by the Russians. All the Russian collusion nonsense. Yeah sure Hillary conceded. Then went to task to undermine the sitting President. I didn’t even vote for trump in either election but you have to be willfully ignorant or dishonest to make the claim Hillary did the right thing.
@miospio Says:
If we are living in a simulation that has a creator(s), then who created the creator(s)…?
@miospio Says:
As good as this whole discussion is, this all goes out the window with the rise of AI, impending AGI and singularity….
@devil6l Says:
I'm wondering why some people answer to a question very fast and other think about it first... This guest is answering very fast...
@hellurellur Says:
Amazing video and podcast. I love what you do here, Tom. Keep taking our minds miles higher. Humanity will be better off someday due to the work put in here. Best wishes.
@jennycatlike Says:
Conversation I have been WAITING to hear! Will listen to this one, two or maybe three more times. I totally agree with Tom that for society to flourish, kids need access to excellent educational experiences and we need to be ensuring access to healthy nutritious foods and good jobs.
@natalierivera3250 Says:
Umm... can someone please explain how "the left" is now the anti-science side? Genuine question.
And I agree that "cancel culture" shuts down dialog and is harmful. However isn't banning books and controlling curriculums MORE so?
@ClellBiggs Says:
I'll be honest, I don't have an option on the cultural war right now. I believe in people's right to live how they want to live and I believe in people's right to say what they want to say. Which side I end up on won't be decided until one side is declared the winner and at that point I will adamantly be supporting the losing side. What's funny is how both sides have been so indoctrinated that neither can see they are wrong. They've completely lost all objectivity.
@CopingwithGrattitude Says:
I think this guy needs to back off some caffeine.
@ChrisBird1 Says:
What is the truth ?
@J.milaman Says:
Never had to shut your show down early but this guy you have on is no good
@Paradys8 Says:
This guy should run for president.
@UsmanVaughan Says:
The fin-Markets have underperformed the U.S. economy as fear of inflation hammers the prices of stocks and bonds. My $400,000 portfolio is down by approximately 25%, any recommendations to scale up my returns before will be highly appreciated
@CR21001 Says:
Hey love your podcasts! I wish you would refer to both men and women though (coming from a woman) we are interested in your thoughts and videos too 😊
@codytwilliams Says:
What about policies that strive for minimum outcome, instead of equal outcome, which maintains diversity and competition but provides a safety net and upward overall societal projection?
@natureartjohn4176 Says:
I gave it to 1328 he was just rambling.
@kobbyafful8003 Says:
Is everyone susceptible to the primitive brain? If so your arguments have blind spots.
@gunsarrus7836 Says:
A more likely great filter is relations between the sexes break down due to technology and the species never achieves inter-planetary status.
@SavingAmerica Says:
You Guys MUST IMPLEMENT SERIOUS SECURITY SYSTEMS ON ALL YOUR APPLICATIONS & ASSOCIATED LINKS.
This Is RIDICULOUS!
AI IS USED AS AN EXCUSE!
WE CREATED “AI”
We Can Eliminate IT OR CANCEL IT..
All THESE APPS DEVELOPERS ARE ABOUT MANIPULATION & GREED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION 😢😢😮
@softwareengineer9217 Says:
This tim urban may stay in his lane, u telling me that poopy pants got more votes that Obama did. Biden got record high votes 🗳 in the election republican or Democrats both parties are corrupt.
@plentinough7222 Says:
I would like to visit Korea too. I respect the culture. 👈🏻 this is important.
@vegas1854 Says:
It's official...I am an URBAN-ite. (Not sure if that's a thing, but thank you for being the conduit for introducting me to Tim and his substack) - SideNote on the US passing legistlaton pausing AI: I'm reminded of a quote that I just generated using Chat GPT - ""Ah, regulation, the cautious guardian of America's technological progress. Make sure we send a well worded email explaing that regulation to China, Russia, and the rest of the world as they pass us by." - Chat GPT 4.0 Circa A few minutes ago.
@chartingwithliv Says:
Another good video! thank you
@mbp5863 Says:
You should get andrew tate on the show. I'm sure I'm not the first one to say it, but I really want to see someone objectively challenge his views and believes, because I think a lot of it is true, but I also think he's missing a lot, and not all the things he says checks out. Sometimes he gives an example where the cause effect relationship is false, even though it seems like it's true.
@voiceanddrum Says:
Tim is so jacked up I have to play him at a slower speed to not get pissed off…even if I don’t disagree. There’s just way too much fast talking and a lack of definition. No matter which direction you look, you find that N. S. Korean parable. Including the opinions here. . And truth. Wasn’t there an episode not long ago with a scientist proving the truth is we’re all in a simulation? Honestly Tim is young. Wisdom takes more time. People are using terms like “a woke mind virus” as more fuel for separating the us vs them that’s truly infected America. No one can even define that word. It’s defined by whatever you disagree with…”those” woke people. They all think this, or that all think that. Or all people who think must be “woke,” or all people who don’t agree must be “woke.”
@thereallatara Says:
Those chairs look almost too comfortable lol
@traciemchugh3114 Says:
Keep us in Survival mode so we arent thinking properly. So our brain directs blood goe to our extremities (hands & feet for fight/flight/freeze)
We then cant make sensible decisions & we arent paying attention to the deceit (foul play)
@Levi6229 Says:
This is far and away the most important video I’ve probably ever seen. If someone listens to this with an open heart they will see how flawed present times are and how important it is that we adhere to the truth and act wisely.
@Levi6229 Says:
This video is underrated. I truly enjoyed this and learned a ton. We all do things for a payoff. And this explains what the payoff is.
@markus717 Says:
The 'two sides to every story' approach can be taken too far. eg: The BBC are dedicated journalists and they dutifully report the Ukrainian & Russian claims about the war as if they're equally believable. Fact: 400 dead people lying around in Bucha after the RuZZians retreat. RuZZia: "The Ukrainian Nazis did it to make us look bad." Uh, no. My point: everyone has the right to opinion but we should not give equal weight to fools and liars as we do to wise and honest people.
@transcendmind Says:
This discussion is Bluring the lines between the term Woke and arguments about the Trans reality, and Anti-Science. Everything they are discussing has more to do with debates around the Trans reality. But sadly they keep lightly aluding to people of color and skin color as if this has anything to do with the original intentions of the term Woke (A civil rights and social justice term, not a movement.
So this episode was disappointing because they aren't really speaking to anything specific at all. And none of the guests arguments were supported by any researched facts, history, or even his book. He was just making up anecdotal claims and comparisons about the Totalitarian Boogie Man that is The Woke Movement. I followed him until he started freestyling his thoughts.
I'm used to the guests on this show being experts that are "Careful" with their words motivated by adhering to the body of knowledge they are an expert in. Experts that have enough humility to stop speaking once they have already admitted they do not know the opinions of the people they are speaking about. This dude went on a wild speculative tangent about a woke persons point of view, after stating he doesn’t know anything about it. Basically making it clear that everything he said after that was motivated by his ignorant biased opinion. And sadly that was what most of this interview was about.
Two white men confidently speaking on the motivations of the people of the woke movement, after repeatedly stating they aren't informed on that very subject. And the only reason I specified "2 white men" is because that is what white men habitually do in public, state they don't know the facts of something regarding people of color, but still attempt to interperate their perspectives based on their biased opinions making themselves seem more prejudiced and biggited than they actually are (I am not implying that is what Tom was doing, but he shur didn't do much to challenge this dudes statements). If you have enough awareness to say you don’t know the opinions, or perspectives of people who identify with the Woke point of view, just don’t speak on that topic. So you don’t make yourself appear biased. Sheeesh!
All we can take away from this episode is the Woke Mind Virus is Dangerous. But that hypothesis wasn’t supported by ANY intelligent arguments nor supported with facts.
At least Tom shared some books I can read. 😂😅 That are loosley related to some of the themes in the video.
This is definitely not the impact theory I'm used to. Tom was strategic not to just universally agree with ALL of the dudes verbal diarrhea, but damn this guy was just making shit up. He definitely did not come prepared.
@jonm80 Says:
This guy must NOT be paying attention....people are getting killed on the Right many times over for saying or even believing what they believe. I get that this person is most likely relying on the wrong data or info given to him though, so he only has so much data at his disposal to decipher. But his hypothesis becomes very very flawed and comes to the wrong conclusions when he doesn't seek out all angles. And teachers are not only bringing 'ideas and philosophy' for awareness...they're forcing people to believe it, and hurting dissenters by the way of failing grades, kicking them out of class, expulsion, public ridicule....this man is either has very limited resources on what he's pulling from or he's being painfully deliberate in his approach....
@ricoigor Says:
there's no millions of years and evolution. look up "The Lost Squadron."
@timelapsega Says:
This guy is spot on in so many ways. Sadly the people that need to hear this the most are either too stubborn or too stupid to take it in. They'll assume it applies to everyone else but them.
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