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We have held a lot of conversations exploring both the red pill and blue pill communities. Between the dating crisis, the mating crisis and toxic masculinity being metaphorically spray-painted over every masculine-centric conversation, we're here for more incredible conversations that move the narrative forward and extrapolate the best ideas so that you can start to unpack and think through masculinity in a novel way that empowers you and the men in your life.
Today, I have repeat guests and one of our fan favorites, Ryan Holiday joining me to weigh in on the discussion and orient us around how the stoic philosophies of Marcus Aurelius stand to the ideology of Tate and the red pill community's narrative.
Do YouTubers and influencers hold the key to masculinity, not being taken for weak or unsuccessful? Or does Marcus Aurelius and the ancient stoic philosophers have more to teach us on the idea of true masculinity, strength and control.
This episode pushes you for answers many of these YouTubers and Influencers are reaching beyond truth to answer. Ryan Holiday lays out the following key points and so much more you cannot miss:
- 4 Stoic Virtues the Red & Blue Pillers Can All Build Their Life Around
- The True Essence of Power and Masculinity (Are you aligned with the algorithm or actual fulfillment in your life?)
- How Only Fans Has Made Slaves of Men's Values & Beliefs
- 'Stoics never cry' and therefore neither should men is bullsh*t
- What you need to know about yourself to not get red-pilled
- The social media distortion that's got you too dizzy to aim at anything
If you've pondered 'valid' points from the red or blue pill communities, how has it shaped your view of masculinity and what are you externally looking to for guidance on how to be a man that knows truth and power for himself? If you're a woman in this space, how has this shaped the conversations with the men in your life?
RYAN HOLIDAY STOIC TRUTH BOMBS:
"It's great to be driven to try to do things. But the Stoics would say, are those things driving you or are you driving them right? Or what are you a slave to? Who's actually in control of your life?'
'You can't control what happens to you, but you can control how you react.'
'You control who you are right now, what you do in this moment, and the decision to be a responsible adult.'
'I'm not going to blame other people for the fact that I am undesired, that I am unhappy, that I am unsuccessful.'
'In life momentum is an incredible thing and oftentimes we despair of some destination, some far off change or transformation because we don't see how we're going to get there when really we should be focused on what the most immediate, attainable, realistic next thing is.'
'The awkwardness of being bad or not visibly successful at a thing is a very underrated skill.'
'They want that outcome, but they're totally paralyzed and intimidated by the process of being a nobody at that thing for a long period of time'
"We say men shouldn't be emotional, but we are very indulgent of men's tempers, [...] I've never lost my temper and then been proud afterwards.'
'I think of Stoicism as a philosophy, I do think about it as something that's not masculine or feminine, but that it's something human.'
'The practice of looking for a reason or looking for something to understand or pity even in other people is a practice I've taken out of being a parent.'
'Being the person who is principled and strict is what matters, and what's right and wrong is important, but so is compromise and collaboration.'
'If you don't know what your values are, if you don't know what you stand for, if you don't know what you're trying to get to, and then you're just scrolling on your phone, then the algorithm is just serving you up what's most engaging.'
'I didn't build this audience to not say what I think. I built the audience by saying what I think needs to be said, and that's what I have to keep doing. Otherwise I don't have the audience. The audience has me.'
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@DennisRock-l4j Says:
I dont agree with you on this one, i applied what Tate preach and it worked out for me
@kmg0682 Says:
In a world where neutering little boys is being normalized, and testosterone is being demonized, then being bad is good. 😂
@pawarkarthik7637 Says:
Thank you for your service and worker full words. Big fan Ryan read your books changed the way I see the world.
@ProjectAcolyte Says:
You can admire both, Andrew Tate is a voice that is needed for young men in today's times when the mainstream media is shoveling transgender and anti science garbage down their throats hoping to indoctrinate a new generation, the only one anyone should praise is Jesus, but breaking the bondage of desultory thought, is absolutely worth heeding.. America was born and grown to be the strongest and most advanced country in the world because of the intricacies of humanity and free will and free thinkers, pushing voices like Tate's into the shadows only pushes our civilization further back.. silencing those who push personal responsibility and health is an absolute negative in a world already so dark and dismal..
@tinnyberry6578 Says:
I was trying too watch if I can actually learn anything from this but they started with bad mouthing Tate .. I had no issue with that .. cause you can tell they gay .. then they start wrongfully accusing him .. get tate on here y are you so scared of the outcome ???
@lazylurker2842 Says:
25 seconds in...THOSE re the options??!
@membersonly4977 Says:
Thank fk. Tate don't rate. Hes pathetic
@Preception Says:
Fck stoicism.
Embrace god.
@timmyeivissa5611 Says:
“First of all he’s a sex trafficker”. ……video stopped… NEXT…
@Tyler.flynn.16 Says:
Tom really needs to get Andrew on here.
@150CarlosChardónAve Says:
Andrew Tate may not be perfect but he is better than all the garbage woke weakness we have today. He is as extreme as feminism, metoo, woke, etc. So he is a product of our environment, a counter balance along with many others.
@WinterFuknMute665 Says:
The cold water trick is to let the water hit your neck, chest, then upper back first. You quickly get used to the cold water that way. I did this everyday for a year.
@TheMattFreeMan Says:
Claiming Andrew Tate held people against their will and labeling him a trafficer flippantly is so wildly inappropriate..
If you have evidence, you should get it to the Romanian government asap because they have had a case open for more that 2 years now and havent been able to convict him at all..
If you dont have any evidence then keep your biases to yourself and stay in your lane
@Primer1st Says:
Both these guys look dreadfully pale....how about some pancake #5 or is that too gurly for ya? Paddy BD wears it and he is less of a man than these too combined.
@JenJonson-it5xu Says:
I believe in god And it wasn't because I was brought up that way , and was taught It , but Because I felt him in my core being.... And I think Life all the way around Could be so much Better Once People realize We are all connected , Not by the short-term Journey we're taking in our flesh bodies, but who we really are, Spiritual beings Here to learn ,And I pray 1 day people will realize There isnt anyone Who is more valuable than another--- period.. There's a reason we are here For only a short period Of time in these bodies..and they don't last forever because we are not these bodies ,We are basically renting them For this 1 journey to learn And we are actually capable Truly Fascinating Incredibly beautiful things...
@DJSTOEK Says:
❤❤❤
@ElmwoodGR Says:
Soon as he said the words “Toxic masculinity”. Skip. Don’t bring weak people on the cast.
@bainsk8 Says:
@TomBilyeu stoicism is good. But the biggest Impact on my life was reading The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle.
You must have him on your show, he has helped many people, myself included. Oprah Winfrey endorse him to do a set of recorded interviews and podcasts after reading his book.
@TerenceKirton Says:
the break down of family and marriage, divorce is a killer of most menu's money!!! not too many men recover
@TheGoldenBone Says:
Yes AT is repulsive exactly!! Thank you. Off to a great start
@robn2497 Says:
Interesting how you conclude "andrew tate bad", but in your next sentence. I'm interested in the real stoicism after precisely identifying people capacity to bull shit. People have been completely manipulated to believe masculinity is good in woman, but toxic in men. It seems the powers that be like everyone to be operating from positions of weakness. Anti-masculine = anti-human = death of society. Good luck with that.
@popmop1234 Says:
0:06: 👥 The conversation discusses the contrast between Andrew Tate's hyper-masculinity and Marcus Aurelius' stoicism, highlighting the importance of inner code and decency in leadership.
0:06: Andrew Tate is seen as a pinnacle of modern masculinity, attracting people with his aspirational model of success.
3:33: The contrast between hyper-masculinity and stoicism is discussed, with stoicism often misinterpreted as unemotional and suppressive.
4:42: Marcus Aurelius, known as one of the five Good Emperors of Rome, is considered a worthy model due to his decency, generosity, and commitment to the common good.
6:14: Marcus Aurelius' journey to becoming Emperor involved the guidance of his adopted stepfather, Antoninus, who modeled good behavior and prepared him for leadership.
9:02: Marcus Aurelius' first act as Emperor was to name his step-brother as co-emperor, demonstrating his generosity and willingness to share power.
11:08: The conversation explores the importance of building an inner code, deploying it in personal life, and resisting temptations in the modern world.
11:56: The inner code involves building a frame of reference from beliefs and values, deploying it in relationships, career, and personal finances.
12:35: The reality distortion field phase focuses on pushing the inner code out into the world while knowing what to resist.
14:21: ✨ The discussion explores the importance of philosophy in addressing existential questions and providing guidance for living a good life.
14:21: Kids need guidance, structure, and advice to navigate life.
14:45: Stoicism offers answers to questions about how to live a good life.
15:18: Philosophy was originally meant to address existential questions.
19:02: Stoicism and Christianity share similar values.
19:13: Stoicism is built around the virtues of courage, self-discipline, justice, and wisdom.
20:50: Every situation in life is an opportunity to practice one or more of the stoic virtues.
24:07: Fulfillment comes from aligning with the values that make one feel grounded, secure, and worthwhile.
27:13: The discussion about greatness, ambition, and power has a long history in the ancient world.
27:46: 🤔 The modern world presents challenges to being self-sufficient and in control of one's life, with temptations and distractions that can lead to emptiness and regret.
27:46: The ancient Stoics believed that being in command of oneself is a rare and valuable form of power.
28:18: In the ancient world, figures like Alexander the Great were admired, but the Stoics argued that self-sufficiency and reducing one's needs to zero were greater accomplishments.
31:54: The modern world with its accessibility and distractions makes it hard to be self-contained and in control of one's life.
33:06: The pleasure-seeking behaviors of the modern world often lead to regret and negative consequences.
36:02: The rise of pornography and platforms like OnlyFans provides illusions of connection and pleasure, offering comfort to those who feel left behind by the dating market.
41:33: The Stoics would encourage focusing on what one can control and taking responsibility for one's own actions and choices.
42:21: 🧠 Taking responsibility for oneself in life and doing something about it is the first choice that is up to you.
42:21: The decision to take responsibility for oneself in life is the source of self-respect and the motivation to improve.
42:38: Blaming others for one's unhappiness or lack of success is not productive, and one should take action to change their situation.
43:15: Even if one faces significant challenges or feels undesirable, they can still find fulfillment and companionship in other areas of life.
44:00: It is important to focus on what one can do to improve their situation rather than dwelling on the negative aspects.
49:01: Small steps towards well-being, such as waking up early, eating well, and challenging oneself, can lead to significant transformation over time.
51:31: Doing hard things builds resilience, confidence, and the ability to handle adversity.
53:40: Practicing discomfort, such as taking cold plunges, can help cultivate the ability to endure and be present in difficult situations.
55:14: Being present and mindful in challenging situations allows for a deeper experience and personal growth.
55:37: 😢 Stoicism is not about being emotionless, but about processing and controlling emotions.
55:37: Stoicism is the ability to endure pain or hardship without showing feelings or complaining.
1:00:17: Being in control of emotions is important and involves processing them.
@exiztent818 Says:
FDR did not pick truman, he picked Henry Wallace (FDRs vice president and the bernie sanders of his day). But the party bosses couldnt allow Wallace to become president even though he got the requisite number of delegates. At the 11th hour the party bosses replaced Wallace for an absolute nobody, Truman was that nobody. Wallace would have never dropped the bomb.
@N0ThanksImFull Says:
That was absolutely amazing. Lots of good videos on this channel and this one is one of the best I've seen so far. Thank you to both of you.
@TrueModernStoic Says:
This is a great talk.
@yare1324 Says:
Thank you for sharing I love this whole conversation
@iDanDelf Says:
Thank you Ryan for keeping it real, about Andrew T...
@VincentFink Says:
28:45 LMAO that was just the greatest response ever to a great ruler.
@JegrTube Says:
If the kid from the story in the plane listened to this please, please somehow share your side of the story 😅
@go9ro367 Says:
Both Ryan and Tom need to be schooled in the definition of democracy and its many shortcomings that the founders acknowledged and sought to avoid by instituting a Repulic. The US is not a Democracy.
@HowToGoSupernova Says:
How i used stoic philosophy to handle being fired... https://youtu.be/sSFW38-3B3c?si=z0Gbm61A1RPERCzk
@PaulaDTozer Says:
Tom, please don't let your ego sabotage your ability to be satisfied.
@aminblm Says:
Tom, you're setting a new standard with your approach! 🌟🎧 #NewStandard #PodcastRevolution
@islanders_MMA Says:
Thanks for interupting this guy. He sounds jealous..... He hates Tates......
@gardencali-arkansasstyle6995 Says:
Thank you, I agree.. Psalms 90:12..acquire a heart of WISDOM!!
@evyz1413 Says:
While Tom is smart and ambitious how many times does he say people should this and I want people to do that. Tom doesn’t control the world and people are free to be who they are. He seems highly opinionated and wants others to think like him it seems.
@amysinclair7624 Says:
One word that describes Ryan Holiday and Tom Bilyeu is they are truly humble and just want to provide a set of ideas to help the human race. What a surprise that being altruistic and working hard still can lead to amazing success...Andrew tait's of the world will never leave a legacy or help anyone, they will leave distruction and when he is counting his money in a rare moment of solitude, he trully feels alone and empty...but he will never admit it, he will work harder on clickbait to buy another ferrari to fill the empty void in his soul... BOTH OF U KEEP DOING WHAT U R DOING❤
@practicaldefenseandfitness5122 Says:
I truly understand around the 13:00 minute mark. I grew up with biblical teachings, and it was missing daily living. Kemetic teachings and Stoicism filled those gaps and place me in a different way of thinking and living.
@adamgarcia7855 Says:
Thanks for this interview❤️
@tomiadventures Says:
When you work hard on something, its painful, but the pain passes quickly and the accomplishment remains. When you do something for pleasure, the pleasure passes quickly, but the shame remains.
@richardsmith988 Says:
My focus as I aged was that my life is built on knowledge. What is your perspective and focus? The more knowledge I have the more I will understand what I desire to accomplish. The crux of this perspective is that by and large, people think they know what is right for them but they do not know they are right. These people insist that they are right from a perspective of ignorance. Know your facts and have them at hand to present your view. Be open to change that can be validated. Your path is not the same as anyone else. Money is a false reality of strength of power. If you lose everything, you are left with your knowledge base and are able to rebuild your life. Knowledge and experience are the two intangible elements that are needed to develop your life to more positive levels.
@nelsonzambrano5788 Says:
Andrew Tate has a huge amount od respect for his father..Not sure where the dysfunctional part came in...
@jumbojet8 Says:
Ryan is a beta parroting Mockingbird Media talking points. 🤡🌎
@KataWolf89 Says:
Why's the how you made the money important if it all spends the same
@iannmiller Says:
The interviewer is a disgustazoid enjoy your Andrew lol
@stevenchapman5810 Says:
Andrew Tate. Unfaithful? Nope these women know exactly what he's doing and they're okay with it.
@stevenchapman5810 Says:
Pointless wars? How overpopulated with this planet be right now those wars never happened? What about the environment with that many more millions of billions of people on this planet after they?
@dieste8 Says:
Meh, the clout chasing is not a good perception. When you sit there and rag on other content creators you give the perception that you have no original input on the topic. This interview had some interesting points yet they were moot when you spend half the time ragging on Tate who isn't even on my radar as someone whose content I should consume.
@matejoh Says:
I love his books. But there is an irony of man barely out of puberty writing about wisdom often learned too late in life...
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