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@MyMakersMarker Says:
You're a liar so you start off your video by lying to all of your audience about what a atheist is. An atheist is someone who says there is not god enough proof of any God. So congratulations liar just like a good christian.
I'm an atheist and we say you cannot prove there's a God. And you can't. So you're a liar.
People like you make atheists so from all of us atheists I'd like to thank you for your help.
@easyuketuts Says:
this is miss titled
@dansallthingspoliticsrelig523 Says:
Before GOD created this reality all thinking from beginning to end has been done. In GOD's Eye the whole story is over. We are the rats in the maze we do not know what is around the corner, the game is much more fun for us. Still, GOD leaves it to us to make decisions and we will be subjected to consequences from those decisions. This is not a learning curve for GOD it is a learning curve for us.
@Kramer-tt32 Says:
If you were a parent and you saw your whole childs life ahead of them, and you saw that 1 of them wins the lottery at 16 and has an amazing loving caring life and the other you see ends up being captured as a child and tortured every day for their entire life. Would you choose to go ahead and have those children?
@gi169 Says:
Thanks Cross Examined.
@jarekcuri3896 Says:
God never meant for us to go to hell, There is a psychopathic Angel who hates him but can't even touch him so he goes after the next best thing. And when you reject god you reject his protection That is the only reason the devil can come after you. You can't blame god for not protecting you when you decided to not want him.
He has consciousness and feelings, but he's also righteous and will respect your decisions as his creation and what you choose for yourself. He meant for us to have eternal life and not die like many of his creations in heaven.
The Devil doesn't need to torture us in hell or have us in hell but he does it because he wants to hurt god and to feed his demons. Because they feed on fear, slowly on our souls.Because? Devil can't create life for them so they take us as batteries. I was an atheist my whole life until I was 20 I resented god and was just a dumb kid. But because I was rejecting him Devil came after me When you see your entire house shaking and stuff flying in front of you You really as a human with reason can't pretend it's not real. So yes devil is very real, God is real and all of it is real too.
I pray none of you experience anything with demons ever. They are the nastiest creatures No human should ever deal with anything like that ever, we are too weak and it's not fair.I admit that but I can't blame god for not protecting me from them when I was a dumb kid who was rejecting him, I can't blame him for not protecting me back then.
And that's why precisely because he's righteous and loving he doesn't want any of us in hell period.
@gyasca Says:
Why does God let people go to hell rather than just end their existence? I saw a reply on Quora that made sense to me, however I would like further clarification as well as any arguments against it. It would be great to have a Christian's perspective on this as well. (For reference, I am currently a Christian who's still discovering God day by day and trying to clear up any doubts or misunderstandings. A response to this question would be great! Thanks :)
The reply in question:
"The whole concept is that since God is God and can do anything he wants, that means he can make the moral standards whatever he wants, he can make it where people will have the free will to love him then he can annihilate people who don’t out of existence once their punishment is paid. He doesn’t have to allow people to burn in eternity in hell. Imagine this, you are God for just a moment, you being God, you understand what eternity is like, you have been in existence for more than an eternity, you are beyond eternity, heck you created eternity. If God truly understands what eternity is like, why in the world would he even create people who he knows for a literal fact will not come to him (if he didn't know who and who would be saved it means he isn’t God), making them solely for the purpose of eternal damnation, how could he possibly be good for doing that? He makes the moral standards, you need to understand that. He purposely made it to where they would burn in eternity for Hell. That means that it wouldn’t be wrong to change the whole set of morals we have to say that all people who are disabled immediately go to an eternity in Hell because he is the one who makes the moral laws, he makes everything. He decides what is good and not good and he would in no way be wrong to change the rules because he is above the rules entirely. There is just one way to see it and that is God set the rules in place so that the people he knows for a fact will not ask for forgiveness will be put in an eternal fire, alone, in darkness, with no family, friends, anything, or anyone, just so that he gets his point to feeble and unnecessary human beings that they should worship him. All this heartache and pain for most of the human population, spanning billions of people, so that he gets worshiped. I don’t understand how that can be considered good in any way. If anything it is selfish and the type of behavior you would find from a psychopath or narcissist, who mind you, have mental disabilities that prevent them from experiencing selflessness and emotions which in turn, God made. I hope I adequately expressed one of the major reasons why I don’t believe in Christianity anymore, I just can’t believe that a good and righteous God sends people to an eternity in Hell for his worship alone which he doesn't need. Also, I wanted to add that the whole point of Jesus coming to save sinners wouldn’t be for our benefit because the whole purpose of making us in the first place would be to worship God. It wasn’t a selfless act at all, and if God were to look at this 32-year life in the vast expanse of eternity, it isn’t even a drop in the ocean, nor is it anything to him, it is merely a speck of air moisture evaporating over the ocean waters on an early morning. To illustrate, there are in total 139 million square miles of ocean on the surface of Earth. To be clear, that illustration doesn’t even compare to the actual scale at which eternity is to that short life span. End of my rant, hope you can look at my reasoning not as a way to change your beliefs or to undermine them, I merely want to express why I believe the way I do so that you can further understand my POV. Hopefully, we can discuss this topic, I would like to see your response so that I might understand your perspective better. Much love and have a good day."
@Zuriel12 Says:
Literally danced around the title of the video and didn’t answer it at all
@KenMasters. Says:
How Hatetheists want us to view God as:
"Let me save you… From what horrible things I'm about to do to you! I created all things good and evil and I decided what people are born as either or, and I really don't care what they are because everybody is a sinner just like me."
How God truly is:
"I knew you before your mother conceived you, and I gave you a talent and a mission to fulfill before leaving earth. Don't let both go to waste, always minister to everyone about the Gospels, and let me Purify and Baptize you away from sin and evil so you won't be lost in darkness for I am the light and the road to the path of righteousness."
@humdinger7275 Says:
This is an answer to a different question
@RAWALITY Says:
What if the person in the video is going to hell?
@muntee33 Says:
Existence is a refining and purification process. And you cannot have purification without some shedding of the excess. Your soul is the encompassment of spirit and spirit is the essence of the all. The shedding is not 'you' it is the unworthy elements within the essence of the whole, in which is 'embodied' within the soul. In a sense your soul is judged worthy or unworthy but it is judged from the perspective of, that combination of spirit in that circumstance, not as an entity unto itself.
Savvy?
Judgement, that is the real aspect one should be mindful of, not in a fearful way or deterministic way but mindful of the being of it and from what sense of form does is it conceivable from....
@henryrutledge915 Says:
This has to be the most ridiculous video ever. Doesn’t even answer the question or even talk about the question. Why even make videos?
@storba3860 Says:
Because he's a dick. And super incompetent too.
@JustaGuy2.0 Says:
The sheer intellectual dishonesty in religious is staggering, either that or the total incomprehension of what they are talking about...which is quite weird if that is the case.
Atheism is NOT the positive belief that no god exists, it's the positive belief that YOUR god doesn't exist.
And since Your god is the default god in western religion, and since they don't accept YOUR god, they will say that they don't believe in it.
@GTA5LanGamers Says:
So whats your point?
@cympimpin20 Says:
The title of the video has absolutely nothing to do with what he talked about in the video.
@HellRehab7732 Says:
Disbelief in a god or gods. That's me. Am I not an atheist?
@scott1414 Says:
I think there is a simpler answer to this query of why would God create someone or a race of beings if he knew ahead of time that they would fall.
The question we need to ask is...did God know ahead of time that some beings would fall?
The doctrine of the omniscience of God is very much misunderstood.
The scriptures indicate in multiple places that the almighty, all-knowing God in dealing with free-will agents also has the ability to NOT look into the future of beings with free-will. The scriptures indicate situations to where God gets to know facts as they happen and not always before they happen. This way, beings with free will truly can make their own decisions whether they be good or bad while all attempts of blaming God for their rejection of him are unwarranted.
A few examples...
The Tower of Babel -
Genesis 11:5.
Here we have God himself coming down to see the "city and the tower, which the children of men builded." Very odd statement. If God knew about the tower ahead of time, why would he need to personally go down to see it?
Sodom & Gomorrah -
Genesis 18:21.
Here we have a very curious statement of God not fully knowing what is going on in Sodom & Gomorrah since this indicates that he is going to those cities to investigate whether or not the inhabitants are as wicked as was reported to him. If God knows every detail ahead of time, then there would be no need for this trip.
Jeremiah 32:35 -
Here we have God himself stating that he didn't even know that Israel would do such abominations.
There are also multiple examples in both testaments of God searching the hearts of people to discover what they are thinking and planning. If God knew every thought ahead of time, he would not need to search in the first place.
In light of plain and simple scriptures, it is easy to see that God can and does limit his own omniscience while dealing with free-willed beings. It's kind of like us in a sense...many of us have the ability to drive down Main Street, BUT we also have the ability to NOT drive down Main Street.
@zay_y Says:
The video and title are 2 different topics?
@Joe-dz7kj Says:
Frank, please revisit this in the future, and give us a clear explanation🙏 In the meantime, we will pray about it.
@Kramer-tt32 Says:
Why didnt he answer the question in the title?
He just attcked atheist for some reason....
@georgemegalis6912 Says:
Huh, what subject are you talking bout ?
@ajgibson1307 Says:
God bless
@jeanmeullion6641 Says:
God is only going to save those that He predestined and predetermined to be with him. People can choose to serve Jesus/God and cry out to Jesus and fast and pray all day and all night for Jesus Christ to come and live inside of them but he will not because he did not predestined them to be with him; he will only listen to those that He predestined to be with him and come and live inside of them and all others he will set traps for them to fail in making the wrong choice but while they're crying out to him, he will not come and live inside of them because he is waiting to set them up for failure so that they can make the wrong choice so that he can send them to hell and cast them in the Lake of Fire forever. People can live their whole life in sin and be on their dying bed 🛌 and if God predestined them to be with him he will save them and that's the bottom line it's all about who God wants to save and who he does not want to save. He has already predestined and predetermined who he was going to help receive salvation and who he was not. I know of this girl who was in church and she was planning on sining after church but God rescued her in the Holy Ghost so that she would not go out and commit sin everything is in the hand of God he chooses who he wants to save and who he does not want to save. God can turn the king's heart anytime he chooses to. It's very cruel and mean of God to refuse someone's salvation when they're crying out and calling out to him but he waits for them to error so that he can set a trap for them to go to hell.
@fred_derf Says:
Hey Frank, I've got something to ask you…
Is god omniscient?
Is god omnipotent?
Is god omnibenevolent?
In the moments before conception when the egg is surrounded by numerous spermatozoa trying to get through the egg's Zona Pellucida, does god know which spermatozoa will get through to release its DNA?
Does god know which spermatozoa will be the one to accomplish this?
Does god know whether the person who results from that fertilization will end up in heaven or hell?
Does god have the ability to prevent a specific spermatozoa from entering the egg and instead allowing a different one to enter?
Does god know which spermatozoa entering the egg would result in a person going to heaven or going to hell?
If your answers to the first three questions are: yes, yes, yes. Then it stands to reason that god would only allow the conception of people who are going to end up in heaven. Since it doesn't, there is something wrong in your answers to the first three questions. QED
Now Frank, I know you probably won't see this and won't answer my questions if you do, but perhaps someone who is validly questioning their "faith", someone who is questioning what they have been told their whole life will see it and it will maker them think.
@aylalampang6732 Says:
He never answered the question in the title.
@johnriggs3143 Says:
Hell doesn't exist, well not in the sense of the way most Christians believe or have been taught which is an eternal place of torment.
Here is my reasoning for this statement!
1.) Paul in Romans 6:3 says " The wages ( reward ) of sin is death " he didn't say eternal torment or burning. If the penalty for sin is death and as we all know Jesus paid our penalty at the cross when he died. However, if the penalty for sin is eternal torment in hell, well then, Jesus never paid the penalty because he is not in hell right now paying our penalty through eternal punishment.
2.) The misconceptions of eternal hell are due to the traditional teachings of the church passed down generation after generation over the last 1500 years from a doctrine designed by Catholicism to subjugate people by fear to bring them under the rule of the Catholic Church. This is history and if people would research this knowledgeable fact it would shed light on the truth of the doctrine of eternal hell.
3.) When studying the Bible to give an apologetic reason for no eternal hell you must study all the evidence provided according to the original languages, customs, and cultures to understand what their beliefs and languages actually dictate what they teach about this doctrine.
4.) The eternal soul, the same is said here as in statements number two and three. The eternal soul doctrine is not biblical according to the original text of the canons of scripture if studied from the original languages, customs, cultures, and beliefs. The word soul in Hebrew is Nephesh and Greek is Psuche both definitions are as follows living being, a person, living creature, living thing, or life as talked about in the general sense.
5.) Ezekiel 28:17-19 shows God's plan for Satan and his destruction showing he will never be any more after he is consumed ( destroyed ) by the fire that he causes to come from within him ( internal combustion lol ) This proves the annihilation doctrine correct, I mean so what? God completely destroys the father of sin with fire, but he burns sinners for eternity for a short lifetime of sin? I don't see that happening considering God is Just and fair.
@timeshark8727 Says:
So generally speaking, if you put a question in the title of a video you want the answer to be in the video... or at the very least have the general topic of the question addressed in the video.
In this video titled "Why did God create people He knew would go to Hell?" we got him trying to define his way into a strawman, and quick-firing a list of claims Gish-gallop style. What we don't get is anything close to an answer to the question. Good grief, I can't believe how low the standard that apologists are held too.
@Kman. Says:
???
that clip has nothing to do with the title.
@memastarful Says:
Ooooh what a challenging topic of discussion and thought
@spawncampe Says:
Did anyone else notice that Frank Turek didn't answer the question. This is Turek-Trotting at its finest. The things he spoke about literally had nothing to do with the title
@jensbasement3862 Says:
My question is: why do athiests think they are justified with walking all over Christians? This has to stop. Christians are not a kleenex to the world's problems. We are ppl like everyone else.
@jensbasement3862 Says:
The answer is freewill. To all the people commenting that "he was avoiding the question" he wasn't but rather answered based on the level of personal choice to believe in God.
People will come up with all odds and ends to answer this question but it boils down to a personal decision. It's no one's fault for someone's lack of faith and he was giving an example of how people can hold onto hatred or love of sin more than to love God. He speaks in between the lines because as an authority in a day in age where people scrutinize and box you 8n for simply saying "hell" they assume you are some crazed person telling them "you will burn in hell" if you don't believe.
This guy is quite aware of how scrutinized Christians are yet nonbelievers act entitled to walk all over them.
It's always a choice to join the script that everybody has a chance to be an active role in. And that choice is effected heavily by our freewill to desire sin or God's ways more, both a variant of our will to continue through life.
@logicaltheology1374 Says:
As a Christian myself, I found myself extremely annoyed about how the question was met with all kinds of ranting instead of just getting at the answer to the actual thing being asked. I did not hear the question come with "assumptions," it was just a question, "why did God create people who He knew would go to hell?" You totally put words in the person's mouth instead of answering him, going off on unrelated tangents. It's embarrassing to hear.
No, people are not in rebellion against God in Hell. Did you not read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man? The rich man was very sorry for what he did and did not protest the justice of his fate after it was explained and his torment continued.
The answer for why God creates people whom He knew would go to hell is the exact same reason why a moral novelist comes up with villains in his story: to contrast his morality and make a judgment in his narrative.
"Our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly." Roman's 3:5
Your answer is hamstrung by the "free will" theology because it (again) sidesteps his question. God still knows exactly who will go to hell since before they're even made, and yet He makes them. Jesus said about Judas that it would have been better for him not ever to have been born. Even with the "free will" answer, you still can't explain why God wouldn't just see the evil thing that Judas was going to do and go the win-win route: don't create Judas. That way, Judas' sins will never happen and neither will his condemnation -- God wins because the sin will not happen, and Judas wins because he won't live to commit it and then be condemned. That has nothing to do with a judgment on God's justice for condemning Judas, but a question of why God would even create Judas (foreknowing the sin) if He Himself is against the sins that He knows will come from the sinner and (in the case of the unrepentant sinner) will never experience the plan of redemption afterward anyway. What's the point from God's perspective? That's not a judgment on Him, but a question of WHY He would choose to do this for HIS interests.
The real answer is found in the Scriptures that you undoubtedly hate that shows determinism.
The oft-misquoted "not wanting anyone to perish" is a sentence fragment taken out of context (2 Peter 3:9).
"Free Will" has a much worse problem when you say that it's God's will that none should perish at face-value because (on this point), again, He's better off just not making people who He knows will sin and/or just not give a person this "free will" capacity to choose condemnation.
The full context is that He is giving people time to repent out of patience; He gives people more chances to repent in this life. It has nothing to do with the way that God creates a person such that they serve a purpose as objects of wrath since they would be destined never to choose God due to how they were created. Sinners are created to sin to make choices in spite of God's actions to lead them to repentance in order that their condemnation would glorify Him in the end.
@christsservant583 Says:
Frank, where is the answer to the question?
@timothyblevins9552 Says:
What in the world kind of answer to the question was that????
@Mojojojo335 Says:
I don’t understand questions like this because who are we to speak for God lol…. We make all these interpretations But who are we actually to try to Speak on why God does something
@2l84me8 Says:
Because the god of the bible is the most immoral and inconsistently written fairytale humans ever came up with.
@TheSweezer Says:
His word says why. Read it. Its to show his glory and greatness to those that didnt go to hell. God is God and we are the clay. We dont get to tell him what to do nor does he have to justify anything to those that reject him.
@7throse328 Says:
Watch Prophesyagaintv on YouTube and Amazing Word ministries
@7throse328 Says:
We all belongs to God. He gives breath. But God gives us a free will/ choice to chose wich side in this life on earth and Satan and his demons decieved many with his Lies (tail). You Only have 2 choices.
Satan/ man of sin/ church is a building/ Sunday workshop( worship sun and creature, Climate)/ or
Jesus/ Son of man/ church is the body of Christ/ Sabbath Worship ( worship the Creator)
Jesus said if you love Me keep My commandments. Love God above all 1, 2, 3, 4 Th commandments and love your neighbours as yourself 5,6,7, 8, 9, 10 Th commandments.
@Matthew_Holton Says:
This is the flaw in defining god as being all-knowing and all-powerful. That means he knows, beforehand, everything you will do in your life. You cannot choose to do something he did not see you would do, you cannot surprise god with your choices. Also, of course, this also means he could have made you any way he liked, he is all powerful after all. This means you have no free will. You behave the way you do because god made you that way, everything you do is by his conscious choice. This also means he knows if you will be going to hell and he made the decision to make that happen, not you.. The vileness of this concept is astonishing. This makes god the evilest being imaginable. Fortunately such a definition of god as all knowing and all-powerful is not logically coherent and is not how god is portrayed in the bible. Even though the bible does portray him as extremely evil. The problem with being a follower of the one of the abrahamic religions is you have to defend a really vile body of 'scripture', some really incoherent claims and probably the nastiest god among those claimed by all the worlds religions past and present.
@ClarenceThompkins Says:
That's cute a theist telling atheist what they believe. "You don'tt know what you believe. I know what you believe"
@MarvelGamer2023 Says:
Most atheist arguments against God are just criticism of His character not arguments for His supposed non-existence. It's like criticising the leader of a country and concluding he doesn't exist.
@baslielalene4702 Says:
IS this is the answer for the title?
@noahmcmonigle2514 Says:
Think about it for a second! God made us free creatures because it would not be loving if He did not. Thus, by us having the free will to have offspring, thus we contributing populating the earth and that person also has a free will. God would have to override free will for everyone to be saved and that would go against His loving nature!
We read in Romans 1 that every man is without excuse! Thus, God has provided every opportunity for the person to repent and yet they still reject Him sadly!
God wants all people saved (1 Timothy 2:4)! When you are dealing with free creatures in a fallen world, not everyone will be saved but to force people would not be loving!
“And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose.”
Romans 8:28, NIV.
Ultimately we must remember that everything will work out to bring Him the most glory and we know that He is righteous, fair, and just!
I hope that helps clear things up for people!
God bless!!
@abelflores3752 Says:
No way of knowing for sure of God's existence until you die, and if he does, wow! Lot's of people will burn in Hell forever
@KD-eh3qo Says:
I believe I have a sufficient answer to the question in the title. It seems quite possible that the creation of people whom God knows will go to hell is necessary and instrumental for the salvation of those who will go to heaven. In other words, some (or most) people who will be saved might have not been saved if it wasn't for the existence of non-beleivers. This is the concept known as 'the ripple effect' or 'domino effect'.
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