Thanks for this, Dr. Peterson. A thoroughly animating conversation!
@fugana5073 Says:
Jordan is so butthurt holly.
@sidace4362 Says:
I can point to hell where you can see it with your own eyes. On a sunny day at noon time look straight up.
@sidace4362 Says:
Adam did die in the day that he ate of the fruit. For God everything is spiritual. Adam died spiritually. He became an enemy of God. Same as the devil. Good didn’t want Adam to eat off the tree of life because he didn’t want men to live forever as an evil being like Satan. Otherwise you and I would be eternally evil. And would need to be either imprisoned forever or be slowed to exist in a violent world much worse than what we see today. Don’t just ignore this as a silly assumption. Run the logic through the whole gamut.
@jaydub7121 Says:
The difference in the way Alex and Jordan think about the world couldn’t seemingly be more different. Alex wanted to keep coming back to a statement of rational, objective fact, whereas Jordan sees the world as meta-reality where patterns that have been distilled over time are even more real than what objective facts. They couldn’t bridge that gap.
@WimLommelen Says:
Dear Mr. Peterson,
I cleaned up my room, I savaged a lobster but yet it seems it is a 13th rule I’m in need of.
While my personal wealth, I’m sure you’ll appreciate, has bought me the fidelity of a female of the female sex ànd gender, it seems depth is what is lacking.
Am I a Marxist now? Will you Ahbrahamically offer me up for God knows? Will you keep riding old Dawkins and young Alex’s coattails for relevance? Unbecoming your stature? Please? Did I ask these questions exactly the way your arbitrary and ever-shifting rules demand? No? So sorry.
“What do you mean by please, and words like thank you, sorry or rice pudding? I demand oblique, dialectic, density and dimness in terms of my narrative construction. It’s not that simple! I am simple!”
Ok sorry, I don’t have a steak on the table so here is to you and the one book you have yet to grasp. Keep up the good work. Any day now. Tadaa.
P. s. Say hi to Ben Shappers for me will you. He’s having a hard time making the move to Judeo-Chrislamism. But a Philistine dragon to be slayed I’m sure. Bye for now and just stop.
@pabloramos1750 Says:
Jordan Peterson: "people ask me if I believe in God, I don't know what people understand by believe when they ask me if I believe in God"...you just answered it, you understand but refuse to answer by play on words.
@michael-x8b5o Says:
The things are real in this matter, that they have a connection from than until now. And that is the true function of religion. Who has eyes to see, see. And who has ears to hear, hear.
@michael-x8b5o Says:
If Jesus was God and he isn't here yet, where is God then? And I think the Godlikeness was the permission to sacrifice himself, with his belief of rising again, what afterwards happened.
@eaaronross Says:
Peterson is on his best behavior here in a way that I was taken aback by, just coming from his Jubilee video where is aggressive the whole. I much appreciate and prefer this person.
@olepapa1362 Says:
Fk the Daily Wire tho
@theway3031 Says:
Alex can’t be that smart if he doesn’t believe we have souls and there’s no higher being and we all came out of the Big bang 🤣🤣🤣
@theway3031 Says:
Don’t get it twisted Alex is not on Jordan Petersen’s level Jordan’s putting himself on Alex’s level
@theway3031 Says:
Thomas put his fingers in the palms of Jesus he was in the flesh. I don’t know what the discussion is about.
@Ryan-mp1jk Says:
8:28 This explanation by JP regarding "winning a debate" is spot on.
@jamesrgoes Says:
Don't always agree with either one, however, I have great respect for each and see a deep goodness and endless curiosity within each
@AmanoCards Says:
Wow! He just will not let himself be pinned down, but at least he admitted now. 🙄
@EnyaBancroft-ep3ik Says:
I don't understand why people struggle to take the Bible as a historical document.
Just as we believe other historical events recorded by people who are no longer living, so should the bible be taken and accepted as fact. There is no difference between the Bible and other historical documents in that sense.
Then we should also go a step further and take it as a window into human nature and patterns and apply what we find to our daily lives .
@SethB-no9iz Says:
I'm a Christian and I much prefer alex explanations and understanding of thinking than most. I would love to talk with him but I'm no where near eloquent as him. Im glad hes able to help Peterson try to understand how questions most people ask rather than Peterson doesn't like how the questions are formulated.
@Lewis.snookes Says:
35:40 - THAT IT HAPPENED, that's what people mean when they talk about if something happened historically
@FastFitFive Says:
What was the book Jordan Peterson said Richard Dawkins had to read in order to understand religion?
@RobertHocker-i9j Says:
Belief is accepting information to be a truth. The jewish " god" is physical. He never died.
Jesus came to try to convert the sinners into followers.
Jesus never died on the cross permanently. Nobody saw jesus when he walked out of the tomb. Even his mother had to find him
Jordan admitted to not believing in truth. .that is fascinating.
There are many contradictions in the bible.
The burning bush was real. JFK was president. The Bible is real
The term " possessed" means controlled by a spirit
nobody could switch our or touch Elvis's guitar
Your interpretation of resurrection is incorrect.
Jesus wasn't in the garden of eden. Satan was the serpent in the garden of eden. Satan came to earth from mars.
Nobody created the universe .
The bible is simple to understand. Neighther of you knows anything about the bible.
Taoists are completely different.
ChatGPT is extremely intelligent. I trained it for high intelligential systemic functions.
Both of you are incoherently babbling about nonsense.
@derekparente297 Says:
Jordan is being dishonest u onow what is being asked
@amdblor Says:
this conversation is AAA clas
@Speydork666 Says:
You have a serious problem when you need a 25 year old to explain your viewpoints
@Isaacisrk Says:
If my calculations are correct. Jordan Peterson is simply an overly philosophical Noahide.
@kamilgawel9986 Says:
I want to live in the world where this kind of People are leading ones. This conversation is a beautiful experience in our world filled with political garbage statements.
@killybiddy7418 Says:
I am not religious, nor particularly scientific, but I am an expert in body language and what it can tell you about a person. Especially when they are speaking about things that are tied to their core beliefs and their physical, spiritual and mental safety. To see a human being, who possesses what is clearly a dizzying intellect, have to twist their own body, face and, presumably, their mind in such uncomfortable ways is enough for me. JP clearly knows instinctively that what he is saying and arguing for is false. If only he could be honest with himself, maybe he wouldn’t visiting such harm on the world through those who are indoctrinated to follow the kind of “teachings” he provides.
When one half of a debate needs , some would call, divine levels of patience and study to keep the other half of the debate from blowing up or leaving the room. It becomes pretty obvious whose arguments are rooted in truth.
What a great and illuminating conversation this was.
@kdawg2528 Says:
Hope you’re doing well JP
@edwarddobson2920 Says:
Jordan is only another fallible creature in need of a belonging to his own and innate instincts. We are by default story tellers and tribal by nature.
@iJohnJohn66 Says:
I’m an atheist and I try not to hate anybody in this world but if there’s anybody, I hate more in this world it’s Jordan Peterson. He’s the most obnoxious narcissistic asshole in the world. He’s angry at everybody and everything. I can’t imagine his poor wife having to have sex with him.
@lozer7011 Says:
I think I’m more confused but it seem he is consistently vague and esoteric about everything so I won’t say he is doing this just to be an apologist. If anything he seem like he would be more into the gnostics or he would’ve made a new denomination of Christianity.
@thesixthfloor11 Says:
I used to disregard petersons theological opinions as simply word salad, but in recent weeks I do think he is getting at something truly profound. He exists more as an extreme of an important and interesting way of thinking. Whereas Alex appears almost as the evolution of both Petersons way of thinking and potentially Hitchens or Dawkins making up some other parts of him. A truly thrilling conversation, it contained moments of light unspoken sparring while also some really important theological agreement. The ‘reality’ of hamlet and crime and punishment is endlessly interesting to me. Thanks to both parties for making this possible. Wishing Jordan a speedy recovery👊🏼❤️
@bjarnepedersen9593 Says:
Have you met the Holy Lord?
@bjarnepedersen9593 Says:
I met God without asking and without having any preformed way of the way to getting to know him!
@timestamp_tim Says:
33:37
@Franerocksyeah Says:
39:18 is such a great moment of the conversation
@dimalee85 Says:
Alex looks smart but he is ignorant. He cannot grasp the truth because he is so smart.
@AlexanderFuchs-q6w Says:
Believing is a evolutioniary component of life. To believe -> to motivate -> to take action -> to adapt to life. Believing is something every Human does. What to believe in is your choice... And there are some guides to how to believe... The end
@Windows-kz4ke Says:
Its not hard. To him who believes in his heart and professes with his mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord is a Christian.
@Jayy254 Says:
Am james from kenya..here is something i thought of,if a belief can be engineered,as in for example the effect of repetition in its effect to the subconcious ,would it be vulnarable if a collective of people are made to belief in the exact same thing,i mean truth as the same dimension i find it hard to understand
@johnmonk6342 Says:
JP is striving toward a philosophy, a search for capital T truth.
Alex is employing rhetoric, an attempt to win the argument.
Thank you, JP
@12SkillsForLife Says:
The fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil symbolizes our presumptuousness. The fact that we have a sense of things like good and evil leads us to believe that we can have a perfect understanding of the universe, and that is just not the case. The human mind is not sophisticated enough to understand something as complex as the human mind, let alone something as complex as the universe. We must remain curious in the face of an infinite universe, and humble in the face of our finite capacity for understanding. Adam and Eve's exile from the Garden symbolizes that humiliation.
@garysmith9009 Says:
It's taken me a while to find this podcast. I had to see another one of the many shorts on TikTok to finally learn Alex's name. It was an excerpt from this talk. I've been hoping for quite a while to hear a conversation with someone with Alex's intellectual grasp of your arguments plus a serious attitude of enquiry. Many other intellectuals take issue with the things you say, but don't take the time to explore the complexity and subtlety of your ideas. This talk was stimulating and challenging. I imagine Alex would have been quite pleased to have stimulated the conversation in a way that provoked such passionate responses from you, Dr Peterson. Thanks heaps. Gazza from Oz.
@KevinStaples-u8j6l Says:
I love jorden but Holy crap man. You dont have to make the "literal Jesus resurrection " that complicated. Its a little over dramatic. You know damn well what people mean.
@ryandugal Says:
“Christian’s hoist their cross and walk up the hill.” 1:49:02 Beautiful. Those who know know.
@ryandugal Says:
Love a Canadian accent that isn’t the CBC.
@4dy4dy Says:
You see substitution as immoral, but consider it as extreme responsibility. Imagine an engineer who builds a perfect machine, but the users break it in a way they can't fix. The engineer doesn't just scrap the machine or ignore the damage; he enters the system and pays for the replacement parts out of his own pocket.
This isn't about 'punishing an innocent'; it’s about the only Being capable of fixing the 'broken circuits' of human nature stepping in to bear the cost of the repairs. A God who just 'ignored' the break would be a negligent creator. A God who pays for the repair Himself is a God of ultimate integrity. He keeps the rules of cause-and-effect intact, but takes the 'effect' upon Himself so we can function again.
@vitaliyl7030 Says:
I respect Jordan Peterson but the fact that throughout the interview he keeps interrupting Alex, not allowing finish a thought is annoying!
@TaiguRyu Says:
So basically, to analyse Jordan Peterson's philosophy. All I need to do is read Robert Pirsig. It's very similar. I'm amazed that after an hour Alex hasn't mentioned it. The point about levels of focus and analysis is a relevant one. Robert Wright in his book why Buddhism is True uses very similar models to explain emptiness and the evolutionary mind. Obvs he comes up with different conclusions. Plus the discussion of things and numbers and which is the most important concept. And Elvis' guitar and essentialism. Very interesting. I'll be listening to this twice.
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