It seems like the science arena has turned towards that way despite by definition being the opposite
@YanaRu-bj9ik Says:
What a fear and poor understanding of the communism ideas 😂 very funny to listen to. Capitalists and their safeguards (middle class) shivers
@AbdullahAbdullah-q2r Says:
After almost 30 years of western misguid3ns ...May allah Guide you back to the truth and save yourself from the hellfire forever
@chubbychops1000 Says:
Oh Jordan....you are hard to swallow sometimes.....stop and come up for breath.
@shakiraleslie5767 Says:
I somehow knew that Ayaan would discover the truth. I watched a debate and I don't know, something tells me she wasn't fully convinced about atheism and I'm so very grateful that she pursued truth.
@davidhunt313 Says:
The genius and bane of Western Civilization is its insistence that all Truth is tentative?!?? NT Rationalists can live on that basis... but it's an absolute living hell for the large majority of people who prefer mistaken certainty to the continuous search for Truth!?!!
@snake7197 Says:
Thanks for the interview! It is great, and though I am not through yet, here are a few thoughts about why there was no - well - reckoning for socialism in the 90ies. (around min 30)
First: no victors like after WW 2. The collapse of the "Eastern block" came as an act of a peaceful revolution after Gorbatschow signaled with his Perestroika approach that he wasn't that willing to brutally beat down people. Though it was still a risk, because no one really knew, if the still existing factions willing to beat down the demonstrators would prevail or not.
So there was no one to force a Nuernberg Trial.
Secondly: Where there was an attempt in that direction (Germany comes to mind), the departments charged with that became in virtually no time at all absolutely corrupted, because suddenly there were a lot of career opportunities and a not-insignificant common property to distribute. It was a real Wild West atmosphere, and the same people who proved to be egotistical and morally suspect by their behavior were the same who then tried to tell those who stood up against the system and brought it toppling down what democracy is.
And that is the difference between 45 and 89; there was no morally superior victor outside of those countries, and because the Western countries swooped in where they could and basically bought most of those countries up (and made sure they would become competitors anytime soon), the people in those countries that successfully toppled their systems had no time to do that either, they were too busy trying to survive the economic attack of market players they were - of course - too naive to understand.
@bobsieb01 Says:
The post modernist may have been more correct than Peterson gives them credit for. Just look at Putins actions across time and yesterday’s US Supreme Courts decision putting a single powerful person above the US law.
@ChristopherDwiggins Says:
Instead of breaking into tribes.
You make cultural tribes in specific areas to keep culture and community more connected in specific ways, still have countries n such but melding tribal, cultural, national, and patriotism all together is what it'll take.
Then potentially, free non manipulative monitoring for free heavenly living and knowledge.
Make it so all needs can nit just generation livibg space to living space but town to town as well.
Town to town first for communal stability then homes/completely envision new apartment structures.
While that for the majority of people you make pretty much a hive city, that produces its all within automated. Then another system of everything that can be done mostly automated by natural means.
Prevents its collapse.
Make them safe from everything possible and use those cities as the hubs around the world for different cultures n so on.
Global web of then making our species space faring and or light peeps :×
@alexm8100 Says:
Dr. Peterson, it would be incredibly insightful to see an interview between you and Yascha Mounk. Despite coming from different political backgrounds, both of you share common concerns about identity politics and the importance of free speech. An in-depth discussion between you two could offer a balanced perspective and bridge gaps in the current cultural discourse. Please consider this collaboration!
@user-ds2yw2ct9n Says:
She's a horrible thinker and a horrible interviewer. Don't let her speak to you ever again.
@xibungo7188 Says:
Soviet dissident, Vladimir Bukovsky, in his book "Judgement in Moscow" wrote that the problem when the Soviet Union imploded was that they didn't do in the U.S.S.R. what they did in Nazi Germany to clean the place up. He was in Soviet labor camps and psychiatric institutions for thirteen years, and it took over 20 years before he could find a publisher who would publish this book of his in English.
@Hema1400 Says:
Simple. You say, the drunk Pelosi’s are much nicer than the hungry ones and they don’t like what they already had. It’s easier than psychobabble. Very interesting concepts.
@ryannielson6918 Says:
Listening to Ayaan makes me a better thinker. Thank you both for the wonderful conversations.
@MrVisionDPB Says:
Restoration in Ones heart is the Solution.
One can know many words” & understand.
Constant change, development, “Don’t look back, one can turn into a Statue”.
Restoration”
@dud3man6969 Says:
I think Marxism goes all the wale to the fall of man. The subversive takes on the role of the serpant to deceive people using appeals to the ego and denial of the truth.
@katiedc8239 Says:
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." ~John 14:6 “If you love me (Jesus), keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." ~John 14:15-17
@jeffbarnard3050 Says:
Your Cain and Able ideas I think are off.
I think it is a great leap Cain to Marx. Although I understand sin is associated with Cain. But people are not reading this right, I believe. I say this not as person without some license. I have read the Bible more than a hundred times and I have written the Bible more than once. Your politicizing documented sinners is a common idea. What then can we understand about Adam and Eve, was Seth without sin? Jesus says no. Can communism work, idealistically if everyone behaves perfectly, yes. But this is not our world. All systems of logic and governance are made great by idealistic perfection (No trick there). Democracy and Capitalism gives micro-corrective mechanisms which makes the inherency of our sinful nature some hopes of improvement that authoritative systems do not possess. (Just my two cents.)
@gregscott3479 Says:
The Creation, development, evolution and protection of Western Ideologies have been earned, defended and offered success, wealth and survival unapparelled in Human History. Foreign knowledge of Western Politics education, or governance does not equal citizenship or allegiance to the West.
@kkampy4052 Says:
I wonder, if you could go back in time and kill one person, would Hitler or Marx have the greatest impact on today? At one time I think it would have been Hitler, now, not so sure.
@kkampy4052 Says:
Just finished her book Infidel. Paints a scathing portrait of Islam as backward way of life. They are taking over the western world.
@ISRAELGUERRERO-y1e Says:
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@TheVictorJPR Says:
Is there's an option for double, triple thumbs up??? This is great content!
@kfelb8676 Says:
In the absence of simple, straightforward & clear understandings of how & why so many "terrorist" cells emerge throughout Colonised countries, tells half of the story & sustains unbalanced perceptions of others, when we desperately need to collectively unite together in finding peaceful resolutions.
@lucumi3928 Says:
There's something that leads people to seek soothing even when entirely undeserved. That might be the source of a Cain-like spirit. I can only think of it being because one is entitled, or because they are starved. True Love resolves all.
@nancienordwick4169 Says:
There has been an attack on individualism, which is damaging tolerance and free speech.
@NominalTopic Says:
Ayaan❤️❤️❤️
@claranordblom8968 Says:
Not that I am interested in communism… but is Ayan Hirsi Ali putting ‘Nazism’ and ‘communism’ on the same par?
The first being an evil ideology
The second not being more than a political ideological error!
Should definitely not be judged while on the same moral pedestal..
A misconception of defining by Hirsi Ali!
@claranordblom8968 Says:
Just a side remark: l apologise it is not related to the debate: why is Jordan Peterson wearing this ‘map suit, !? It is distracting because of the surprising effect.
@buttpillow Says:
Regarding Ms. Maddow,. .
1. This alleged "news reporter" is completely biased as shown by her many appearances on the Lawfare podcast since last month.
2. The lawyers on the Lawfare podcast take money to
a) go after US Citizens and
b) make malicious case law to be used as a legal precedent against other parties.
-- MALICE / IGNORANT/ LAWFARE
3. I knew this was happening and have followed evil case law made by the same type of lawyers for many years. The lawyers deny MALICE and claimed they were " ignorant of the law."
4. Eric Holder even stated on the record it's okay for lawyers to be dumb (as long as no malicious intent shows).
5. The lawyers with the Lawfare podcast have this allegedly scared 🤯 biased reporter on freqently. They allow no decent and kiss up to her.
MALICIOUS & PROUD - 1 MONTH
6. Since the Trump pornstar payoff trial before the judge whose daughter is making money off the actions before her dad, including Trump,the evil lawyers quit denying they were "making case law with malicious intent."
7. From one day to the next, the Lawfare podcast quit denying the existence of Lawfare or "lawyers organized to makie case law with malicious intent."
8. The lawyers who ...
a) could have never make case law in a real trial because they are no good in Court,
b) have been working with their law school buddies including those appointed to the Bench who are
c) coincidentally assigned their cases repeatedly
9. The lawyers DID make case law with malicious intent but alleged they were IGNORANT of the law for many years until last month when they ADMITTED Lawfare was real.
10. The lawyers made unconstitutional case law that can be used against any citizen while they bill as many hours as possible lining their pockets.
-- PUBLIC DEFENDERS -
10. Q. Did you know citizens are no longer guaranteed a public defender as of 2018 because of the ignorance / malicious case law of lawyers?
- BURDEN OF PROOF-
Q. Did you know citizens have gone to prison in criminal jury trials since 2019 using the civil standard allegedly due to the ignorance of lawyers/ shown to be making case law with MALICIOUS intent proven by admission of existence of Lawfare?
--.RICO & MALICIOUS CASE LAW / LAWFARE
Q. Did you know the Georgia Teachers Union was declared a corrupt organization under RICO immediately prior to the attack on the Police Union and the defund the police movement which resulted in property damage by protesters?
Q. Did you know the neighborhoods where the property damage occurred during the "defund movement" are being redeveloped and citizens that lived there are losing their property?
Q. Who makes the money on all this BS? The lawyers involved in Lawfare.
--- SCARED NON-REPORTER = MOUTHPIECE FOR LAWFARE --
11. The SCARED 😳 alleged reporter above is the advocate for supposed ignorant lawyers who organized to make unconstitutional case law while going after public servants for RICO who came out last month and she is their link to the news kind of like PR
12. If she is scared 😧 it's because she thinks everyone thinks like her. I disagree.
-- MOCK LAWYERS ---
13. Jury trials historically have been public gatherings until a) citizens were prevented from observing jury trials beginning in 1998 at b) the same time law schools began doing mock trials instead of allowing students to observing real trials in actual Courtrooms.
-- VOLUNTARY JUDICIAL DISCLOSURE--
14. Courtrooms were packed with spectators which kept the lawyers from becoming corrupt.
15. The judiciary did everything asked to make a record showing no bias and would offer to recuse themselves from cases if a lawyer friend appeared in their Courtrooms.
-- REPORTERS / LAWYERS = LIARS
16. "We who labor here seek only the truth" was the standard in COURT & in the NEWSROOM once upon a time.
17.I don't believe a word she says. The argument for fear is ridiculous 😤 as shown by the 4 years TRUMP could have waged LAWFARE on his opponents but didn't.
18. She (non-reporter) is aiding lawyers in making unconstitutional case law and waging war against US Citizens in the form of Lawfare (LAWFARE allegedly didn't exist according to LAWYERS until 1-2 months ago.
Please 🥺
Respectfully Melanie Loomos
@andrejb.5342 Says:
If NONSENSE is protected by law... That is situation we are in now... There have to be KLEAR RULES about at least for GENERAL things ---) a common ground and EVERY ONE have to OBEY ... if not, SEVERE punishment - is the ANSWER ☦✝️✊
@MC-rw3lc Says:
What a superb point this wonderful lady makes: no reckoning post 'fall' of communism. THIS is the problem keeping us stuck and ignorant. Thank you Ayaan for your careful incisive analyses 🙏
@bobbygilstrap9221 Says:
Love the insight, looking forward to next 😎
@GhyuRtyu Says:
Which language she speaks she has atrocious accent 🤔
@CarsonMikami-r8g Says:
on a level of intelligence even.
@AndrewWongTuckSeng Says:
Marxism ideology is cancellous of the faith in our bone for justice and equality. Humanity without the Transcendence is bound to fail in all dimensional states.
@SEKreiver Says:
My profound admiration for Ms. Hirsi pointing out that there was NEVER any process of "de-Marxification". The West needed/needs that DEEPLY.
@JKeeran Says:
People who are addicted to pain, need to inflict more and more pain to reach that dopamine hit!
@SEKreiver Says:
James Lindsay has DEEPLY explored the ancient Gnostic and Hermeneutic roots of Marxism/Socialism. Even Hirsi cites him.
@SEKreiver Says:
The "center cannot hold" BECAUSE we haven't had a "center" for over 50yrs. Those who come INTO the Western world need to assimilate HARD. Otherwise, go back to your non-Western $h!tholes. The fact that one can BURN the US flag in this country while those who deface 'pride' flags on a road get hunted down like dogs, shows how far we've fallen.
@olsim1730 Says:
"And tell me what you think about this" he says... well..why don't you let her? 😂
@wheel-man5319 Says:
No one owns the truth. To claim ownership of the truth is to undo the truth.
@Crumbsoftotailtariansim Says:
We did not understand the spiritual aspect of communism, I believe most Americans thought it was just authoritarianism, not an actual restructuring of the mind.
@rampartranger7749 Says:
Jordan is certainly an interesting guy, but sometimes he hijacks the interviews and “ interviewee” seeking affirmation for his own theories ( not that his thoughts aren’t intriguing). But the meat of this interview is in the last third of it regarding the failure of the West to educate the next generation about the violent destructive core of Marxism.
@Arouete Says:
When I try to download this At Pocket cast it was for bidden. “Contact with author forbidden” What on earth is going on. Do I now have to dump Pocket cast as a suppressor of free speech if so I will do so
@luisjaco2819 Says:
Hey Dr. Jordan Peterson, could you send me that guy's WhatsApp again. Thank you.
@Shawn-nq7du Says:
Ayaan was never a true atheist. She just wasn't looking in the right places nor did she know the peace that the true God brings. "Our hearts are restless until they rest in thee" (Augustine).
@Bond.JamesBond00 Says:
Almost like the folks behind AI drive the control for truth. Weird
@paulroyal2177 Says:
Fascinating discussion here, and JP's next book needs to have quotes from Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The central theme presented here is of divisive subgroups stifling "the pursuit of truth" and replacing it with the "ownership" of an artificial narrative/truth substitute. Socialism is the best example of a Weapon of Mass Disinformation... From the psychological perspective, it is interesting that the envy and jealousy of Cain is the central tension-motivator for a violent revolution, which JP correlates with the WMD of revolutionary socialism. But from a logical perspective, I think the socialists somehow think they are using deductive reasoning. Karl Marx and L. Ron Hubbard both start with flawed definitions of terms, and then build their false narratives. Anyone reading their works (while accepting these flawed definitions) may fall down the rabbit hole and think their works are natural constructions of foundational First Principles... Truth is outside our heads, and concrete reality is the referee between our minds. Within our heads are established conventions, assumptions, and emotions. Dictionaries are bridges between strangers. Change the dictionary with "definition drift" and people lose calm control of their cognitive tools.
@steffwo Says:
I have to disagree in one point. In the 1970ties, they didn't switch immediately from the economic approach to the cultural, woke approach. The next step was the ecological approach. The Club of Rome spread the propaganda of limited resources and the green agenda. Because they realised that the story of the oppressed worker failed, and they had much better chances of achieving their evil goals by fabricating the story of the oppressed environment. What lead into this genius and vicious idea of blaming the production of an omnipresent air molecule (CO2) for the destruction of the earth. And with this lever, they are nowadays able, to control every aspect of life, where this molecule is present. What is more or less every situation you can imagine. But their hunger of control hasn't stopped there. As we all know, the evil always wants more. So, they also started spreading wokeism to poison all interactions between humans.
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