Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Douglas Murray, author of 'The War on The West,' discuss how a misguided purpose leads to abject misery, the cowardice of experts who choose silence in the face of malevolence, the psychology of fear, and the necessity of willful exposure to combat it.
??Douglas Murray is a British writer, playwright, media correspondent and political commentator. He is the founder of the think tank the Centre for Social Cohesion, which is now part of the Henry Jackson Society. His publications include but are not limited to: 'The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam (2017),' 'The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity (2019),' and most recently 'The War on the West: How to Prevail in the Age of Unreason (2022)'. Murray has also written columns for publications such as 'The Wall Street Journal' and is an associate editor for 'The Spectator.'
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:30) Intro
(1:25) The issue of purpose
(3:08) Piaget, the Messianic phase
(5:48) You have to work at gratitude
(8:27) Context collapse, the natural state of mankind
(10:38) Willful blindness, Job, Elijah
(16:33) The pact broken in suicide
(19:55) Resentment and bitterness
(22:39) The meaning of faith
(25:07) Music is the language of religion
(29:07) We put the semantics above depth
(33:00) Jung, the crucifixion, the essence of tragedy
(35:19) Time's Arrow, seeing evil in reverse
(39:49) The Trial of God
(42:58) Why not deceive yourself?
(44:47) A new category of argument
(48:09) You steer your own misery
(50:43) Cowardice, negotiating identity
(54:29) Increasing bravery through exposure
(1:00:30) How to activate new genes
(1:02:05) Facing death, embalming
(1:07:03) Why so few speak in the face of tyranny
(1:11:31) Admiration is rooted in the religious instinct
(1:16:16) Some hope for the next generation
(1:17:33) Two ways to use language
(1:21:10) When you partake in falsehood
(1:23:32) Play and the orientation toward truth
(1:25:58) The tension of opposites, opportunity and purpose
(1:29:19) Vision, writing out your potential
(1:33:24) Bari Weiss, a different kind of column
(1:36:33) Tatiana Gnedich
(1:41:15) Furnish your mental furniture well
(1:43:33) There is no better pathway forward
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This is simply brilliant on countless fronts. As much as I admire Dr. Peterson, I wish he would allow the profound to have its moment and let it breathe for just a moment, instead of hastily getting on with the next observation that came to mind 30 seconds ago… almost in a dismissive way. Don’t get me wrong, I truly appreciate all that he has to offer, I just find myself having those thoughts when someone as insightful as Mr. Murray is speaking.
@sallypelletier1922 Says:
Douglas is hard to listen to, monotonous tone.
@Jessiejam-44 Says:
Is He Talking about Conservatives??
@mrskimistar Says:
Love this
@visionlandmusic Says:
Humanism is at the bottom of Fascism and Communism.
@visionlandmusic Says:
‘The Lord gave and the Lord hath taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord’
@visionlandmusic Says:
Elijah is not a minor figure in theological terms gentlemen!
@bananamiriam Says:
What a treat listening to these erudite, articulate, knowledgeable , truthful people 💜
@archangel7666 Says:
Was just having breakfast didn't know tne kitchen was an alter
@dianathompson8794 Says:
This is why society is prone to meltdowns these days. They are not being taught to face their fears and insecurities. , but are being enabled. When they get to boiling point, they commit suicide or shoot up schools or badly bully others
Thank you Jordan and Douglas. So extremely interesting.
@nigelholmes5572 Says:
These 2 gentlemen represent the standards of yesteryear education, this is why the mainstream hates these guys with a passion. These guys prove education and knowledge are to be aspired to for our children
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
Was freezing the accounts of the striking truck drivers just??
@jeanthornton2441 Says:
good point about living in delusion so it brings a question the question is why does psychiatry live in its delusion? teach delusion? support delusion? and drug if you dont believe their delusion?
@metgirl5429 Says:
A year down the track
Are we awake now🕊
@leslielandberg5620 Says:
The Auchvitwtz problem isnt that thorny. Many were deeply disturbed by what they saw, but soldiers are trained to obey and Germans, in particular, are brought up to respect authority. The accounts of the guards indicate many of them drank heavily to escape their consciences and the daily reality. Some of them abandoned their posts or got themselves transferred out. A few even defected and fought for the Allies. And, as always, sadistic scenarios attract sadists, so many of the guards were right at home.
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
We all know there are strong ppl and weak ppl and all sorts in-between...
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
As a psychoanalyst one should surround himself with"weak" people to supposedly help them to cope and be stronger....
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
I ..I. ...I. I...no go
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
A narcissist cannot be a good paychoanalyst😊
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
Same for a medical doctor
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
Psychoanalyst must forget himself during a psychoanalysis session
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
Ofcourse...Mr apeterson is right besides psychoanalysis....the job is to give the patient coping mechanisms(treatment)
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
We are not talking about animals here
@jackiekunovska8405 Says:
How can a real psychologist use the expression for a human "to put him down""..
@PurpleGold. Says:
They wear similar trousers and socks…great minds think alike.
@joshportie Says:
3 minutes 46 seconds Jordan quotes someone who is clearly wrong.
@jdbm1978 Says:
In what timeline is a buff homosexual and a camp intellectual having a reasonable conversation considered right wing? Not on my bingo
@Suewtf Says:
Very Few people come along in a lifetime like Douglas Murray, could listen to him all day.
@francisbyron-falconer Says:
THANKS LADS FOR THIS MAGNIFICENT CONVERSATION ❗️🇬🇧🤝🇨🇦
@johnfisher247 Says:
The poet TS Elliot in his poem "choruses from the Rock"
It is well worth reading the whole poem because it covers much that Jordan and Douglas discuss. Here is the end:
"And the Church must be forever building, and always decaying, and always being restored.
For every ill deed in the past we suffer the consequence:
For sloth, for avarice, gluttony, neglect of the Word of GOD ,
For pride, for lechery, treachery, for every act of sin.
And of all that was done that was good, you have the inheritance.
For good and ill deeds belong to a man alone, when he stands alone on the other side of death,
But here upon earth you have the reward of the good and ill that was done by those who have gone before you.
And all that is ill you may repair if you walk together in humble repentance, expiating the sins of your fathers;
And all that was good you must fight to keep with hearts as devoted as those of your fathers who fought to gain it.
The Church must be forever building, for it is forever decaying within and attacked from without;
For this is the law of life; and you must remember that while there is time of prosperity
The people will neglect the Temple, and in time of adversity they will decry it.
What life have you if you have not life together?
There is no life that is not in community,
And no community not lived in praise of GOD .
Even the anchorite who meditates alone,
For whom the days and nights repeat the praise of GOD ,
Prays for the Church, the Body of Christ incarnate.
And now you live dispersed on ribbon roads,
And no man knows or cares who is his neighbour
Unless his neighbour makes too much disturbance,
But all dash to and fro in motor cars,
Familiar with the roads and settled nowhere.
Nor does the family even move about together,
But every son would have his motor cycle,
And daughters ride away on casual pillions.
Much to cast down, much to build, much to restore;
Let the work not delay, time and the arm not waste;
Let the clay be dug from the pit, let the saw cut the stone,
Let the fire not be quenched in the forge."
@louir3199 Says:
"Bitterness, having everything'" v. "Happiness in the absence of material wealth, etc.' - they are defining what Faith in God brings to one's life!!!
@bluecollarreloader Says:
Jordan Peterson sounds like the rabbit from Alice in wonderland
@rickmartel8665 Says:
Good interview. JP tends to go on a bit, but Douglas Murray feels free to interrupt him which makes for a better conversation.
@Johnnyb-z2o Says:
MURRY THE LIAR
@hansmitt1128 Says:
When freedom of thought and speech is gone ,everything is gone.
We must be brave to speak ,always.
@matthewrogowski8526 Says:
Judaism does not believe on Satan. We believe in Ha-Satan; not a rebelling angel, but an angel created by and working FOR God to test and convict men. The Lucifer mistranslation later on was referring to the King of Babylon.
@MisterGibbycrumbles Says:
I sometimes dream of a world where men of this calibre were our presidents and prime ministers.
@stevemcmahon100 Says:
The lesson from Job is the devil is real and will commit all sin on man and mankind. The lesson is not to hate God because this is the trap the devil wants Job to fall into.
@AmandaCoates-x1e Says:
Two Godly men heros
@81Mariae Says:
I think I can listen to Douglas for days on end. And the more I hear, the more inspired I feel on so many levels. Even more so listening to the autobiographical portion of the conversation - what an amazing person.
@ingohannmer8361 Says:
These two guys are highly intellegent! Feministes hate them! Islamists hate them! Lefits hate them! All you need for a big success!
@hilamerhavy Says:
אמירה בעיברית🇮🇱 ; 'הבורות היא אם כל חטאת' 🙏
@michaelweymouth4015 Says:
I keep seeing a tower in Qatar collapsing like the trade towers in New York City did. Does a group in Qatar finance all this Hamas, Hezbolah, Houthi, around the state of Israel?🇮🇱? A snake has a head
@annied9864 Says:
1:09:56 I’m not academic nor am I stupid. I am wise some of the time courageous all off the time. And penniless always 😜 I would love to be in this conversation to be the mouth of the common woman ❤
@annied9864 Says:
37:30 I wish this was explained more
@MickManningly Says:
These two men give me hope that the light has not yet been banished from civilization ! Wonderful indeed to hear genuinely intelligent men explicate pathways to clarity . May they both live long & prosper !
@georgehoyn916 Says:
Could you both explain why the Greeks haven't been blamed for democracy that's not in use by democrats
@oo88oo Says:
Morality is grounded in a belief in a hierarchy, infinitely reaching towards awe and the divine, of admirableness.
@soundofconsumerism Says:
Two of my favourite men on the planet. Thank you gentlemen, keep it up!
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