What’s sickening about all this?
People act like universities were forced to admit Black students and had to “lower their standards” to do it. That’s a bold-faced lie.
The truth is, African Americans weren’t getting into these schools because we weren’t allowed.
We weren’t getting hired because of one thing: the color of our skin.
It wasn’t about ability—it was about racism.
@baptham Says:
People act like Affirmative Action was all about helping Black folks—but truth is, white women benefited the most.
They got the biggest gains in education and the workforce.
Stats don’t lie: White women filled more management roles and saw major boosts in college enrollment.
Meanwhile, Black folks still had to fight just to get in the room.
@Vetr151 Says:
This so called affirmative action that has been used exclusively in some countries and well integrated into some educational systems..
impact for some high achievers has been to exclude many students at secondary level, with the impact of stopping their education in their tracks . A multi impact on these students meant failure to realise their / parents aspirations, & disenfranchisement, from full citizenship rights, further education, on the continuum which led many to leave their homes, country family, & face alienation further in foreign lands without no family/ support frameworks .The impact: mental oppression but also discrimination on the basis of race or religion.
@deebrown7160 Says:
All of this is not going to change anything Blacks will still be 5-10% of the students admitted
@stuartdknightauthor9526 Says:
Say Jordan; The Enterprise of merit is western ethnic supremacy. There, I measured merit in its proper proposition for you.
@raymondswenson1268 Says:
Universities and grad schools that have reputations for academic excellence must have courses that challenge the most capable students. The students who invest major effort into success in these courses WILL NOT TOLERATE RACE BASED GRADING. That means that students with lower abilities will get lower grades, across all their courses, and they will get lower GPAs, filling the bottom 20% of the class. Admitting students who have less ability to compete against their peers just makes them the Designated Bottom 20%. They are more likely to fail and to drop out, having wasted their time and money instead of succeeded at a less competitive school.
@farzanabland6701 Says:
So what it comes down to is if you are a smart hard working middle class kid you are out of luck because the rich and connected and the poor and minority group are the ones who will always be considered before you regardless of whether the rich kid and poor minority kid are as smart as you.
@lcraver4797 Says:
A very interesting discussion. I was particularly struck by the comment concerning admissions with regard to my choice of a Business school some 40 years ago. I graduated from high school 1st in a grad class at high school, fooled around in my undergraduate days (barely escaping forced to drop out), worked for two years during which time I became interested in a business degree and scored a 99 %ile GMA, had very poor confidence despite that and applied to 9 business schools, being accepted at 8 of them including what was then regarded as Canada's top business school. Since I KNEW I was strong mathematically (among other things had scored 99+% percentile on the GMAT) I chose a less regarded but still top 10 Canadian school that was known for its math / engineering program.
One thing I DIDN'T know about this school was that they also had a reputation for very low admission standards but very high graduation standards meaning that they flunked out more students than any top 10 Canadian business school! I quickly heard that after I started my program and in the end missed the Dean's list by the smallest of margins. (During my last business school semester I served as a teaching assistant, hunted and landed my next job and romanced a young lady who I married a year after graduation.
It was a remarkable experience and one wonders whether my experience would have been different at any school. My wife died 2 years ago but we gave society 3 good children who are now making their way so I would say things worked out all right despite my current grief.
@markwrede8878 Says:
Merit based merit will leave empty corridors.
@zukhanyegcilitshana311 Says:
I personally believe environment, level of income and family structure can affect one's performance on the 'merit test' when the time comes for them to enter into university, or even into the workplace and therefore the merit test can somehow favour those who have been previously advantaged. If the issue starts at birth, because of that race's history, how is the merit test fair?
@royolstad8532 Says:
Why have guests? You just want to show what you know
@Nuhgnod Says:
affirmative action student loan "ANYBODY" (blacks) and DEI were the legacy of MLK
@Nuhgnod Says:
Affirmative action was the key legislation MLK pushed. he was a snake and the liar we need to reexamine MLK the sex cult leader
@GraeA-021 Says:
Old video but look at the controversy with Harvards Dr Gay , her plagiarised papers and radical leftist seas including denying antisemitism. Oh the joys of “diversity, equity & inclusion” 🙄🤬
@mrstraighty Says:
Hmmm... maybe they should force Asian and black people to breed and produce a more balanced student?
@anialiandr Says:
Cognitive aptitude. I can’t speak of physics but presume the same ma be happening. All these stellar professors in education, and the field is nowhere. My specialty is English literacy and check how well the field is doing . Stuck on linguistic backed up by the pedagogy of “somehow”. In my case I moved forward because of my mentor(s) whom I met totally accidentally.
@ArielOpitz-t9z Says:
I have a cuestion for you jordan,im a chilean guy (latam
)my ethnicity is basically spanish and indigenous descendant,i answered the Raven iq test whit a hight level of results
Also mensa org has a simple test to mesure iq and my results were 128 maybe not a Genius but enough to be sure im clever person
My cuestion is how do you explain my hight level of IQ
considering me as non white person?
@expressochai Says:
Now apply this to the “antisemitism” claims!
@visicircle Says:
The problem with civil rights groups on campus is that they are more concerned with defending their social status, than the truth. They are playing hierarchy games that appeal to the basest human emotions. Yet the entire point of Universities was to train people to thrive without having to engage in such hierarchy games. They are the wrong people, with the wrong tools, at the wrong time. No good will come from allying with them.
@kingsonpookie Says:
I sometimes feel like Jordan talks too much instead of his guest!
@stevenbergom3415 Says:
"...ffirmative action is a Band-Aid that hides all of the inequities that happen before college..."
This is true for pretty much any program that Leftists put forth. They don't understand that true social change takes generations to correct and any solution that expects an immediate reaction is not only bound to fail but will fail in a worse manner than what had originally been observed.
@tkdbb2012 Says:
Yes!! Please get Roland on the podcast!!!
@WilliamKirkland-j4r Says:
Thank you for sharing this program. Having followed your personal life and struggle with 'social value' advocates, I marvel about your ability to endure and produce such impact on others in a most positive manner. Gave my grandson your book about the 12 value rules of life. Thanks for having such interesting guests on your programs.
@yousontheloose Says:
What happened to the Netanyahu interview, Jordan?
@nate2B1 Says:
45:10... What interests me, if U.S. folks consist of some 60% white, 19% hispanic/latin, 12% black, and 6% asian, then what percent of hispanic/latin folks get admitted to these premier universities? If they are comparatively under-represented, then why is that?
@a-b-c123 Says:
"give em hell"? what the hell did you mean?
@lukuscarter3563 Says:
I don't believe that forced diversity or even manipulated diversity is diversity at all. Forced diversity is racism. Real diversity is done so free willingly, out of love, naturally. Not forced.
@aplcc323 Says:
I just lost a commend I was writing for 10 minutes by clicking 3 mm away from the comment button... I'm dead...
Moral of the story:
1. For as eloquent as you may be, your message could accidentally never be spread because you (me, mostly me) are stupid and make small little mistakes much more often than you (but really, me) realise or care to notice, some of them that can cost you happiny.
2. You may be right, you may even be brilliant (not me, thought. Not right now at least...) but a bad interface between you and the medium necessary for you to speak your mind could mean that you won't be able to get your message across to anyone.
3. Even if you do speak your mind, and are eloquent, and brilliant, and beautiful, and just plane amazing, the chances of anyone listening to you in the medium of your choice may be too small, because there is too much noise for nuance.
Anyway, TLDR of the never-happened comment was that I got a better understanding of the affirmative action policies, ramifications of their work and the consequences of their line of reasoning, whilst simultaneously being weary of Dr.Peterson's argument for standardized testing and the meaning of cognition itself, mostly because I trust him too much so I my cynical side is always probing for deception and manipulation, but also because I believe the problem to be more complex than the individual being tested's intelligence. Maybe none of us is intelligent enough to realise how to properly communicate with every single individual with their own ideosyncrasis and level of engagement with us. What measures could be made of something that is hidden from us unless we can expose it, and how much can we expose if we don't realise we don't see the whole picture yet, that the dark veil is actually over us, and not the universe? Are we not all *basically* equally ignorant? Doctor Peterson himself should at the very least know of his astonishing ignorance, because if the impressive level of knowledge and comprehension he managed to acquire so far... I wish I wasn't so ignorant as to ignore many of my own faults, maybe I too can humble myself at the feet of knowledge and drink from His fountain, and know just how little I am and how great He is, and for truth and light to blind me no more as I come to peace with what and whom I am... Maybe Doctor Peterson someday (probably much sooner than me, I'm an idiot [read supra for context, or just look at me making a side comment on top of a side comment, whoever you are]) will as well, but until than I choose to believe that the human spirit is a mystery and that the intelligence one holds within oneself is far from expressible or understandable and that the biggest problem with IQ distribution is probably wasted human resources. How can we improve our nourishment, encouragement and expression of the resources a person holds within? Well, in that and most other subjects, I am an ignorant and Dr.Peterson could teach me a lot for sure. Should we narrow the definition of intelligence and make stupid people believe they aren't while smart people beliythey are dumb *or* should we broaden our definition of intelligence and much more likely misinterpret the person's intelligence anyways, but at least trying to grasp the immensity of cognition and it's abilities? It is an age old question, where is the middle ground when it comes to intelligence? I always get uncomfortable when people have the pretention of understanding the human mind or its capabilities... It has the potential to to make idiots believe they should eliminate characteristics from the human experience justifying it on the basis of what they consider intelligent decisions, which are actually only "intelligent" because of the idiots who reformulated the definition in the first place...
Anyway, what an interesting conversation! Thank you both for your time and to whomever is reading this, you are special.
May God bless us all!
@Bullet2023 Says:
hypocrite, unsubscribed. "Give 'em hell"
Go to hell.
@cantasar3212 Says:
Dear Dr. Peterson,
I'm from Hatay, a city shattered by an earthquake. I've lost over 100 loved ones, and we're struggling to cope. Your teachings have been my anchor, helping me improve my life. But now, facing this immense tragedy, I'm lost and unable to help myself or my community. I desperately need your guidance to regain clarity and function effectively.
Sincerely,
Can Tasar
@moa2092 Says:
You are the racist and hypocrite
@mccleanwendt9114 Says:
Please have a conversation with Thomas Sowell. He has been pushing back on affirmative action for decades. The two of you have many followers in common and it would be great to have the two of you come together atleast once.
@cynanomite Says:
Pseudo R^2 apply to linear regression models. However, those where the dependent and independent variables are linked, or transformed, using a function (eg, log or log odds, etc). However, the fact remains that pseudo R^2 are not highly predictive of unexplained model variance, as is the case with OG R^2 (which only applies to ordinary least squares - ie, linear regression where there is no transformation between dependent and independent variables).
@kevintaylor5017 Says:
In 2023 we have the ability to provide so much of the initial academic process for very little cost. Having a selection of a few first year courses offered online for free would be phenomenal way to find those "hidden gem" individuals while weeding out those who will not be able to succeed in a particular field of study. If an individual was able to take 3-6 months of life and demonstrate exceptional prowess and understanding in those courses they could be then mixed into the pool of applicants for admissions and scholarships, regardless of their previous academic success. Much more realistic than a few standardized general test scores.
@ukbulldog2024 Says:
Why the US us still using Names and Race on all University Entries rather than an Index Number. This is insane. In the UK I sat the UK CPA Exams using numbers and results based on merit. In many UK Unis still use Names and degree awards were discriminatory. Testing is testing. So change the systme and this problem will go away. Take a GMAT and you use a number.
@DampCakes Says:
The older I get the more I realize VERY little is based on merit. It's all about who you know!
@paulvalentine4157 Says:
is it me or are views light on this one... hummmmm
@spidgeb3292 Says:
If you don't challenge young people, don't expect them to succeed. That was my experience. Stress creates striving.
@stephentaylor9366 Says:
The problem that nobody wants to address is the so-called professors!!! Most are overachievers who cannot fit into society anywhere else. Most have a great grip on their subject, but have very little idea into how to become a normal member of society!! Nowadays, in ALL fields, it has become NECESSARY to have a whole group of initials after their name. That means they have a deep knowledge of unusable educational garbage that sets them apart from normal people. It DOES NOT MEAN they can teach, build better companies through knowledge of accounting, or engineer better processes or products. What it often means is: They cannot think rationally or outside their very narrow field. AND they do not fit well into normal lifestyles. SAD!! Proof of these statements: There is a janitor for a major appliance/phone apparatus/ etc., who invented 100’s of their products!! If one looks at most major companies they will discover that most of their Patents are developed by hourly workers with very little education.
@jredel2877 Says:
There was an interesting discussion regarding Prince George sitting for his exams to prepare, eventually for Eton. One of the commentators stated that, regardless of exam results, no college would turn away the future king and that Harry was admitted with poor test results and it really did him no favor, as he barely finished.
@matadorso Says:
ANTHEA JEFFERY : BEE Helping or hurting - a book on affirmative action in South Africa and its outcome ...
@adrianjones7197 Says:
Would love for Dr Arcidicono to take a look at South Africa where a majority ethnic group are given affirmative action advantages and passed through from preschool to post-graduation, high-level government jobs all the way through - it's a "no-no" debate because the moment you point out it discriminates and is causing failure of society and economy the race card pops up anyways its basically the exact reverse and I can not think of a better study that could end up being a base control than that =- as long as any bias is completely left out of the study - just a suggestion :)
@au3698 Says:
The Bible is the root of ALL wisdom, inspiration and spiritual nourishment 😂
@mshelly31 Says:
Big fan...and keep the beard and the new teeth caps. Looks great!
@Shewib Says:
Dr. Peterson, I think you should have Bryan Caplan on your broadcast.
@profeh3346 Says:
We need to raise our kids at home and. It use institutions daycare as our child rearing default. As a teacher (retired) you can tell very quickly which students are day care kids. I read to my kids 6 books a day to each of my kids. By 3rd grade both were reading at middle school or high school comprehension. Reading is school success.
@ISAYWORDS1 Says:
Every day I thank the Gods for Jordan's recovery and continued work. Had he not recovered, it would have been such a tremendous loss.
@micastone6591 Says:
affirmitive action the most racist policy let merit be the standard Gov, Newsom are you listening!
@wolcottwu756 Says:
Meanwhile, Central Casting has appointed a new California Senator.
LATEST COMMENTS