This episode was recorded on September 9th.
Dr. Jordan Peterson and John Anderson exchange ideas about the freedom of conscience, policies, and mandatory vaccines. Dr. Jordan shares his experience with policies while Anderson shares tips on conducting proper debates while commenting on the governmental debates. See how Australia connects to their discussion and how social media came into play.
John Anderson is a sixth-generation farmer and grazier from New South Wales, who spent 19 years in the Australian Parliament. After serving in politics, Anderson launched a web-based interview program, Conversations with John Anderson, featuring interviews with public intellectuals. He continues to serve the interests of Australia's rural and regional communities.
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Shownotes
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? [00:00] Dr. Peterson introduces this week's guest, John Anderson.
? [03:32] "The problem with fighting fire with fire is that you end up burning." Dr. Peterson
? [03:54] What's happening in Australia and the west?
? [04:26] John's tips for proper debates.
? [06:17] How Anderson views Australia's regime.
? [06:40] China's imposed threat on Australia.
? [09:09] John quoting Henry Kissinger on freedom.
? [09:47] The legality of mandatory vaccines in western culture and the blitz story during WWII in Britain.
? [11:48] Anderson's analogy of democracy.
? [14:31] Dr. Peterson's advice on policies.
? [16:05] The lockdowns in Australia.
? [22:07] Dr. Peterson's perspective towards proper political force on vaccinations.
? [21:26] The cost of safety.
? [25:29] John's opinion on debates.
? [26:56] Breaking down trust in the government.
? [31:53] How governmental debates should be conducted.
? [37:21] Freedom of Conscious.
? [43:10] The best rationale for mandatory vaccines.
? [53:01] Lockdowns and the dangers of mandating medical procedures.
? [59:46] The power of social media and John's thoughts on moving forward.
? [01:02:19] Social media and John's podcast.
? [01:06:47] Anderson's thoughts on freedom and governments.
? [01:10:15] Australian politicians' understanding of social media.
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Now with LIDAr the government telling you to turn off your lights is just BS.
@mrkring1526 Says:
Australians in general are sheeple. They will do they're told without a thought.
@LadyBug1967 Says:
I adore this conversation, albeit long ago. Mr Anderson is a fine man. If men such as yourselves got together with the men n women who lead their indigenous societies and engaged in such a conversation, I truly think that as noted by Mr Anderson, by way of Margaret Mead, a few people could create great change in the world Recently I was talking to a neighbor and informing her that it was actually the Alonquin nation --which was the Blackfoot; the Iroquois and a third tribe-- who joined together and decided NOT to keep killing each other that later engaged in conversation with the Founding Fathers and helped to inform their manner of thinking which led to the creation of The Constitution & later the Bill of Rights.
These men coming from the elite societies of England learned so much from the indigenous people as to how they conducted their affairs. I think people such as Mr. Peterson and Mr. Anderson --getting together with indigenous peoples across the world and engaging and a long conversations-- could create something of significance that would change the world.
@rikvah9817 Says:
Itslike the blitz, but you can't talk! Now it looks like the vaccine increases your chances of getting covid and we know the 100% safe and effective was a straight up lie. All the people that lied to use in parliament are now sticking there heads in the sand. We do have a few asking questions, but know one is taking any responsibility for any vaccine injuries or that they lied. When asked they man that was in charge of this stated he didn't even read the studies. 😡😤
@larazeesk7080 Says:
I’m Australian born but lived in the United States most of my life - it’s sad to see Australia like this -
@thefraug3827 Says:
Has Peterson come out with anything addressing MASS FORMATION ? It has been a year since this video.
@calebwalle5330 Says:
The Murdoch press owns the media in australia. It is corrupt and puts a certain political party on a pedestal and covers up all their corruption whilst simultaneously shutting down its competition.
@drake1896 Says:
Stay out of our politics mate
@dannybrown5205 Says:
East vs. West.. Biological, Economic and Information warfare. 5th generation.. To accept anything less an explanation is childish naivete
@tommythompson7941 Says:
Australian lockdowns were unacceptable as are these apologetics
@MXF101 Says:
What about the fact that this is a different vaccine. MRNA
@nodatesape9124 Says:
Atleast one (former) pol can tell us the truth.
Mad lad.
@cryptoburo Says:
Conclusion: You CAN be "too safe". We need to learn economics.
@haydenwilliamson6747 Says:
We the old timey talking people of the YouTube comments must tell mister prime minister thou shalt not make a poo on us, the fellow Australians.. Use way, too many, commas, when we talk, because, one can use, a comma whenever we dang well, please. Because that’s, FREEEDOM!!
@haydenwilliamson6747 Says:
As a fellow Australian, I here by declare we all talk like people from 100 years ago. One must reserve ones right to talk like old times people and one must take thou poo and fling it a cubit four score unto thou mister prime ministah: how dare theeee!
@jasonw3204 Says:
The way the police acted in this was shameful I'm glad I never got that app I did not sine in eneywhere the hole thing was crazy I did not miss one day of work meanwhile thousands were being given more cash then I make but they would not give me a cent this country is stupid sometimes
@john_air Says:
conspiracy theory about government is not really a conspiracy unless you are ignorant of history
it's been there since ancient rome
politicians and government never care about public
and many times they use this phrase "virtue" and "justice" whenever they want to fool people
@Anastasia91000 Says:
A big problem for some of us is that natural immunity from having the disease is not being recognised. This is not the case in any other disease.
@pamelaforth7820 Says:
The difference between the US and Australia/Canada/England is our stiff necks and the sovereignty of the individual States COMBINED with the right to bear arms. The election this November must be seen to be fair. I think anyone thinking of cheating at the pos might want to reconsider.
@roselynbarlow8400 Says:
Whinston churchhill also starved alot of indians to death so gives af
@miguelponte8594 Says:
Suicide is awfull and it should be treated and avoided...but are suicide numbers related to the pandemic lockdowns or to social media consumption as a whole. Are suicide numbers even close to the expected and realistic death tolls of a free covid?
@MrHondaisthebest Says:
We had to be double dosed vaccinated to go buy alcohol and food at a dine in cafe in Western Australia until our government realised it was a stupid idea and reversed it.
@JCResDoc94 Says:
*57:00** hey, yeah: why do i care if someone else wears a seatbelt?* maybe kids have to till age 18y. then, thr should likely not be seatbelt laws. speed limits are fine. -JC
@stevebradley8862 Says:
The unvaccinated include many who already had Covid and rightly believe that is equivalent or better than vaccination. Other unvaccinated are in low risk categories by age who are making a reasonable risk assessment. Unfortunately in US, we also have higher at-risk people with poor health resisting vaccines due to low trust or political reasons. This was driven by gov and medical experts undermining trust
@SP-shortbutsweet Says:
Loved this discussion would really appreciate an updated version 💝
@powerdealer8 Says:
How far do governments go with the age of Artificial intelligence, Facial recognition, human implants, will linked or be tagged by gps or a.i eventually enforced in us.
@justusrosas502 Says:
If I give in and get the vaccination now, who's to say I won't get the mark of the beast later? I'd rather die and be released to my father above.
@blessnorthamerica7919 Says:
Questions about how much the pharmaceutical companies paid to the politicians, policies, experts,doctors will find the rotten roots
@blessnorthamerica7919 Says:
Pharmaceutical companies paid doctors, politicians, experts… have ruined the public trust in the governments, healthcare, media
@maggie1303 Says:
I often hear the argument about seatbelts but I don't see the direct relevance. Seatbelts are accident safety measure where as covid vaccines are health interventions. I believe it is an extreme slippery slope as there are many preferable diseases that are at an epidemic level. Cardiac diseases are 90% do we require a health pass to eat at Macdonald's? Obesity is the highest risk factor for covid death.
@belle-v7q Says:
wow, I'm not yet all the way through but must say that I love how Peterson set up this meeting- I love that they're having this conversation and the Australian man reminds me of my friend's father who is from Australia, so he is very likeable to me but I am SO GLAD that Peterson called him out on being unclear about the danger that the unvaccinated pose to the vaccinated when you're going to keep the unvaxxed from certain venues. I mean- it is GREATLY concerning that this man hasn't thought that through and makes you wonder if any leaders who are for vaccine passports have thought it thru! Also, not considering how a priest would feel telling some of his parishioners they can't worship if they don't have a vaccine passport - how can he not have thought about how that would affect people? Bless him, I like him, but it's troubling.
@belle-v7q Says:
If Australian Covid leadership truly wanted to save every life- why didn't they/don't they implement early treatment which has been shown to greatly, greatly reduce hospitalizations and death?
@ashleysthoughts7 Says:
All of these have already happened. I also really get tired of hearing "I've been double vaccinated, but can understand why you wouldnt"
It sounds like 'I think you are uneducated about this, but support your right to be stupid'
I've read more studies on this that any vaccinated person I know.
You all need to catch up on the danger here. It's not just about freedom. They are going after our children.
@cmartin9738 Says:
The issue with his example is that the British government forced its own citizens into a war... So... "Social contract" my ass.
@TheVoluntariast Says:
What are you talking about Mr Anderson? In a democracy we enter into a an agreement to give up some of our rights in order to secure the rights of others? I would love for you to let us all know when exactly we entered into this so-called contract? I do not, nor have I ever agreed to give up any of my rights in order to secure the rights of others. Where is this contract Mr Anderson? Mr. Peterson, there is no such thing as an honorable politician. Also all governments are authoritarian, Australia and Canada are no exceptions. China is a just more so, but not to worry the "western democracies" are catching up quickly. If anyone can let me know where there is government that is not Authoritarian, I will move my family there tomorrow...
@glenda1862 Says:
As an American of mid-twenties age, this is the first time I have ever heard a politician speak with so much complexity. I was utterly shocked when he started talking and was presenting well-thought out, layered ideas into which he clearly invested at least some of his own thought. Our visible politicians are all performers, not thinkers. Even the (self-)righteous ones express very simplistic views full of dogma and scripts. I have literally never seen an example of this. I mean what?? Where can we get some of those??
@mattfife5885 Says:
Quite a difference between closing your blinds and being injected with a new drug.
@dalixman2754 Says:
And of course the vaccines are so fantastic - that Trudeau suddenly has "covid" A multi vaxxed guy - I call bullshit and don't
@samanthadavies6519 Says:
Nobody is a "danger" to others unless they have the covid virus. Unvaxed who are not sick pose NO problem how are they a danger?!?!
@stopjabbullying2832 Says:
"A calm voice soothes wrath".Wisdom from the Bible applied to modern internet communications by a clinical psychologist.
@alfashion Says:
Professor, I really admire your work, but on this issue I just can't agree totally. This vaxxes have been pushed though without them having been tested throughly. The reason for a lot of covid vax hesitancy is because there is so much information by world respected scientists, and doctors, researchers, economists, that disagree with what we are getting from the heads of the CDC WHO etc. Then you have the silencing of those who appose the mainstream narrative, it just reeks of fraud. Making a vaxx monitory that you don't know what you are taking, they don't know the short-term or long-term side effects. And then you see the reporting of covid deaths, did they die from covid, or because of covid. And I could go on and on, but you get the drift. And in Canada we have this leader that I don't know if he's ever told the truth. And the government taking away our civil liberties. Anyway Professor, keep up the awesome work, and may God richly bless you and your family.
@goodwill_ken Says:
This is interesting in the light of that Court decision that locked "at will" hospital employees in with the employer they wanted to leave. The Jimmy Dore Show covered it recently. Check it out. Basically, they've been made indefinite indentured servants of an employer that the wanted to voluntarily leave.
@JDAfrica Says:
“Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program”
Milton Friedman
@twanus2657 Says:
Aha... Mr Anderson...
@CandysFavorites Says:
This isn’t about government. It’s about corporate control and greed!!!
@CandysFavorites Says:
You are in a prison state!
@adampattinson1381 Says:
Trust politicians?
I trust politicians in Australia to lie, cheat and steal my money through taxes that I received nothing back for.
Plus inflated the value of any money saved away through money printing and practice Insider trading like Nancy Pelosi is.
@Bee_Bill287 Says:
You have to admire the beauty of how the Australian government and MSM have instilled so much fear through propaganda that even Hitler would be blown away.. my question has always been did Hitler really lose or did he just use propaganda to make us think he did..
@bewell4743 Says:
If you can't have a friendly and articulate conversation with the likes of Jordan B. Peterson you should be running any country.
@amandathurston2720 Says:
41:20 😂 seriously? The flu comes from China with new varieties every year, why would this be special?
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