It is a little frustrating that parts of this interview, several minutes, are not available to the viewers because ads have been added that overwrite the audio of the interview as the interview proceeds. Normally an interview is paused in order to insert ads but the ads in this interview, mostly, were dubbed over the top of portions of the interview.
@andrewzhuk8713 Says:
I came here to listen to dr. Chris Palmer but ended up listening to Jordan Petetson as he was the only one talking and interrupting his own guest. Such a disrespect.
@JM-vn8jd Says:
I wish Peterson would shut up!
@staceyp5738 Says:
Thank you so much gentlemen for noticing these patterns and thinking outside of the box! This is huge. I hope the medical community will take this information and run with studies and recommendations for patient health.
@HikarusVibrator Says:
Hasn’t JBP’s physical and mental health been absolutely wrecked since going carnivore? That’s literally what has happened, so he’s delusional or something wtf.
@Roberto11231 Says:
Dieta cetogenica (Keto) para esquizofrenia. Debo probarla algun día!. Saludos desde Argentina.
@philipcrum615 Says:
Thanks Jordan and Chris
@manicksgaming6949 Says:
Eat animal fats cheese yogurt u wont be depress also eggs and bacons
@songsofthespirit Says:
He misunderstood and misreported the story of Jesus and the boy with epilepsy. Jesus did say to His disciples, “This kind comes out only with prayer [some manuscripts add ‘and fasting’].” However before He said this Jesus commanded the demon to leave the boy, which it did, immediately. The reference to prayer and fasting was not as a recommended treatment for epilepsy, but what the disciples could do to be able to expel certain kinds of demons.
@PeterSantos-xp4iy Says:
Screening for Celiac disease may give answers about carbs negatively affecting people.
@woman2251 Says:
Plant based 99% of the time, also GF, minimum sugar.
@radoslavdimitrov8274 Says:
Thank you God!
@imiejego44ipo24 Says:
1:06:23 This boy was possessed, had seizures, and tried to kill himself because "the demon often threw him into fire and water to destroy him." It wasn't just epilepsy.
@imiejego44ipo24 Says:
Amen
@Fabio-zf8fg Says:
This is one of the best interviews ever. Thanks Dr. Jordan Peterson ❤
@jacobling1322 Says:
My wife has schizophrenia and bi polar 1 with many episodes of intense psychosis. Meat based diet does help. Doses of niacin 3000mg a day helps a ton. Dr Abram hoffer has books on this 50 years ago...
@vlwindham Says:
Can the ketogenic diet or carnivore diet “cure” a narcissist?
@MAXNELSON Says:
Thanks J-Pete. Wonderful value extracted here.
@Michelle-go4io Says:
The paraphrasing of Mathew 17 went a bit far there. He said This kind is only driven out by fasting and prayer. Not implied that the child himself must fast but rather as an extension of the act of prayer. Also, Jesus healed the boy instantly before he made this remark to the disciples.
@borgeindergaard Says:
Fantastic information that every doctor and health practicioner should see. Sadly, it'll probably take decades before health professionals will bother to adopt this or hear about it.
@m007mm Says:
Chapters - (0:00) Tour update 2024, coming up
(1:18) Intro
(3:50) Mental disorder, social dysfunction, skill deficit, and metabolic disorder
(9:14) The two broad classes of depression: those suffering with obvious cause and those suffering without apparent cause
(14:09) How to tell when your depression is caused by disorder versus circumstance
(18:45) The relationship between hierarchical status, dependency on social integration, and serotonin levels
(21:06) Crossing off physiological agents before diagnosing a mental disorder
(27:21) Why Dr. Palmer turned to diet for treating depression
(30:50) Treating a paranoid schizoaffective patient for weight loss and realizing that the ketogenic diet resolved much of his mental disorder
(35:03) Schizoaffective disorder versus schizotypal personality disorder
(37:21) The keto diets effect on mitochondrial function challenges the currently held notion that schizophrenia is caused by too much dopamine
(42:41) The metabolic theory explains all manner of disorders that are often considered unsolvable or genetic
(47:48) The classic understanding of mitochondrial function: power production, molecular breakdown for cell creation, and the generation of heat
(53:09) How 20 years of research have shattered our understanding of mitochondrial function—what we know now
(58:44) The Peterson family’s experimentation with the carnivore diet
(1:00:38) Using an elimination diet to parse out symptoms and potential causes, how the ketogenic diet tricks the body into a false starvation mode
(1:03:35) The two big issues with ill effects from our foods, autophagy versus mytophagy
(1:05:47) The use of fasting across cultures and time for religious and health intervention, starvation periods are when our bodies heal
(1:08:44) Differences in diet choice, knowing your body and choosing the appropriate course
(1:14:56) It’s not as simple as one solution fits all, a good start is a short-term water-only fast to assess change
(1:21:10) You only need fiber in your diet if you do this
(1:23:31) Tammy’s rare form of cancer, the ability to “starve” cancer in order to fight it, and where the line is for treatment
(1:30:50) Dr. Palmer started through his anecdotal experience, but the evidence is mounting
@Crusader_Kid Says:
Love this two brilliant men right there.. I'm bipolar so they say adhd and autism..
@skylernova489 Says:
26:06 they picked the worst podcast to advertise this in lol
@dewsus2873 Says:
I am deciding between carnivore and keto to treat schizoaffective disorder. I am stable but I want to thrive. It seems like Dr. Palmer suggested carnivore is keto. Any suggestions or insight?
@H4KnSL4K Says:
Great video - Thanks!
@robinmelanie2529 Says:
I wonder how much Big Pharma is fighting this.
@WilliamKitzinger Says:
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Bravo!
@beevin2348 Says:
Great discussion
@michaeljensen5627 Says:
Inuit have always eaten loads of berries, like crowberries, cloudberries, and blueberries, gathered in summer. All year around seaweed, harvested from coastal areas. Even roots and tubers occasionally dug from the tundra (like masu or wild rhubarb). Then there is stomach contents of herbivores, sometimes consumed (e.g., from caribou), which could contain partially digested plant matter, and mosses, lichens, and other tundra greens, though these were rare and seasonal. The Maasai have always eaten Maize (corn), used to make ugali, a porridge-like staple (even more common today), beans, sorghum, and millet, used in soups or porridges, wild plants and herbs, used both medicinally and occasionally as food. Fruits and vegetables were rare in the traditional diet though.. So both peoples have always gotten some fiber though their meat heavy diet.
@allantimlin Says:
Bikman is all over this too. Worth looking him up.
@Leonessalexi Says:
I was put on antidepressants because I complained of fatigue all the time. I never felt depressed. Antidepressants made things worse, so I ended up with more medications piled on over the years. I started Ozempic and the antidepressant I was on became completely intolerable. It was already not doing anything I could tell before the Ozempic, but after it I had to get off it. I’m still feeling fatigued, but it turns out I have vitamin deficiencies. I feel so much better not on any psych meds and all the symptoms that were labeled as depression, it turns out were side effects of the different meds I was on. The way the medical field does things is backwards. If someone had done some simple blood tests on me beyond a basic panel, I wouldn’t have wasted two decades of my life on all those meds.
@ThreeWishes777 Says:
18:44 yes it's dangerous but can outcast have purpose for bigger pictures. God the designer of characters .
@williamprange6984 Says:
I would love to hear more about how you would not be nutrient deficient while sticking to a meat only diet. Thanks!
@haydenwayne3710 Says:
Brilliant episode!!!!!!! Thank you both. God bless you!
@AnthonyRodriguez-bc4xn Says:
I have been on zoloft for over 20yrs and have lowered the dose dramatically while on keto.
@aidenprocopio6438 Says:
Hello doctor Peterson, my name is Aiden Procopio:). I was wondering if you experience any pain or discomfort with those air pods you use?
@Pythagoras-Plato-Aristotle Says:
Discussion with Dr. Chris Palmer on Mental Health and Metabolism:
Guest Introduction: Dr. Chris Palmer, affiliated with Harvard Medical School and McLean Hospital, discussed his 2022 book Brain Energy, focusing on the link between mental disorders and metabolic dysfunction, particularly mitochondrial issues.
Core Hypothesis: Palmer argues that severe mental disorders (e.g., schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depression) may stem from metabolic disorders mediated by mitochondrial dysfunction, the cell's energy factories.
Ketogenic Diet: He has explored ketogenic diets, similar to Peterson’s daughter’s lion diet, to improve mitochondrial function, reduce toxins, and induce autophagy/mitophagy (cellular repair processes). These diets mimic fasting, historically used across cultures for healing.
Mental vs. Metabolic Disorders: Palmer distinguishes between mental states (normal human suffering, e.g., grief) and brain disorders (e.g., unexplainable depression, psychosis). He posits that metabolic issues underlie the latter, offering actionable treatments like diet changes, exercise, and addressing vitamin/hormone deficiencies.
Depression Categories: Peterson outlined two types of depression:
With apparent cause: Linked to life circumstances (e.g., no job, relationships, or purpose), where antidepressants are less effective.
Without apparent cause: Seen in people with functional lives, where antidepressants often work better, suggesting a biological basis. Palmer agreed, likening the latter to a brain disorder where depression networks misfire, analogous to pain disorders.
Mitochondrial Role: Mitochondria produce ATP (energy), molecules for neurotransmitters/hormones, and heat. Recent research shows they regulate neurotransmitters, inflammation, gene expression, and respond to trauma, linking biopsychosocial risk factors to mental illness.
Ketogenic Diet Evidence: Palmer shared a case of a patient with schizoaffective disorder who, on a ketogenic diet, lost 160 pounds and saw psychotic symptoms remit. He cites extensive research (e.g., epilepsy treatment) and ongoing clinical trials supporting dietary interventions for mental disorders.
Cancer and Diet: Peterson raised his wife’s survival of a rare kidney tumor, possibly aided by a carnivore diet. Palmer noted that while ketogenic diets may slow tumor growth by reducing insulin and inflammation, they’re not a cure, and patients should work with oncologists.
Dietary Experimentation: Palmer supports elimination diets (e.g., carnivore, ketogenic) to identify food sensitivities and induce repair processes. He advocates for personalized approaches, as no single diet fits all, but suggests water-only fasting or carnivore diets for severe cases, with a 3-month trial period.
Broader Implications: Palmer emphasized that metabolic strategies offer hope for disorders deemed incurable, with ongoing trials at Harvard, Oxford, and elsewhere. He shared stories of patients achieving remission from bipolar disorder and other conditions, supported by initiatives like the Metabolic Mind nonprofit.
Closing Thoughts:
Peterson and Palmer agree that severe mental disorders should be presumed metabolic/physiological until proven otherwise, backed by decades of genetic and neuroimaging studies converging on metabolism and mitochondria.
Practical solutions like dietary changes are available now, empowering individuals to take control of their health without waiting for new treatments.
@wildmotherswisdomperspecti9362 Says:
Ive never had better poops in my life then on 100% carnivore WE DO NOT NEED FIBER!
@fesaruffs Says:
Precious content! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@sarahpatterson7810 Says:
Wow.. what popped into my head: certain demons can only be cast out through fasting and praying 🙏
Holy Spirit is on 🔥
Every solution is found in scripture.
@liamwalker5763 Says:
So your telling me that my ADHD can be fully treated? I’ve been thrown to the curb for decades and nobody ever wanted to help me and all I need to do is change my diet?
@I_Love_My_Family-81 Says:
❤
@jlconn430 Says:
Add a parasite cleanse every 6mo and never eat pork
@alvb9125 Says:
Finally our health care system is beginning to look at the whole body
@spinozakanaal Says:
fasting, sure, as long as your stomach is filled properly.
@tomasz_mackiewicz Says:
i love dr chris palmer
@valerietweedie4376 Says:
Chris Palmer is one of the most compassionate and wise doctors I have ever heard. What a wonderful human being!
@susanswinny588 Says:
Best Chris Palmer interview!
@chrys77cross Says:
Lupus: anyone try this and have success or improvement?
@dadbosworth6838 Says:
Doctor, you did not address the elephant in the room. The carnivor diet (all animal products)and lion diet (ruminant animals products only and water) . Is that too controversial for you?
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