This episode was recorded on February 27, 2022.
Dr. Frederick W. Kagan is a former professor of history with a PhD in Russian and Soviet military history from Yale. He is also a celebrated author and the director of the American Enterprise Institute's Critical Threats Project.
In this episode, I discuss the nature of the conflict that has taken the world by storm over the last 5 days—Putin's decision to invade Ukraine and the ongoing resistance of its citizens. Dr. Kagan is a wealth of information on military history, geopolitics, Putin's relationship with the USSR (which his father helped defend) and Ukrainian sovereignty, and other aspects of what's most certainly a moment in human history that won't be forgotten soon.
Find more Dr. Frederick Kagan: https://understandingwar.org and https://criticalthreats.org
For regular updates on the situation in Ukraine: https://understandingwar.org or https://criticalthreats.org/analysis/ukraine-conflict-updates
Ways to help: https://linkedin.com/posts/nataliya-bugayova-97469a1a_wwwstopputinnet-activity-6903830899821985793-Z_qb
An excellent discussion of the evolution of Putin's attitudes toward the West: https://understandingwar.org/report/how-we-got-here-russia-kremlins-worldview
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Chapters
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[0:00] Intro
[2:32] Current Situation
[4:55] Motivations for Expansion
[6:25] Russia & the West: A Brief History
[10:47] Russian Ideology
[18:09] The Bolshevik Revolution Today
[21:59] History of Putin, Russia, & NATO
[31:33] Putin in Power
[01:00:25] Why Now?
[01:04:30] Putin Subverts Expectations
[01:07:30] Biden, Hybrid Warfare, & Propaganda
[01:10:17] Putin's Invasion: a Tactical Perspective
[01:15:30] Ukranian Response
[01:16:40] International Response & Russian Allies
[01:19:00] SWIFT Ban
[01:24:30] Protests
[01:27:50] A Way Forward?
[01:31:00] UnderstandingWar.org
[01:31:50] WWIII
[01:35:39] Repercussions of a Russian attack on NATO
[01:38:58] Defense Budgets
[01:39:10] Outro
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This guy seems to think russians are stupid at warfare 😅
@aaronasissoard1098 Says:
So whos to say that russians dont feel like americans broke this agreement with all their NGO nonsense
@aaronasissoard1098 Says:
53:00 this guy doesnt believe the US is lying to us through the media hes so very naive
@aaronasissoard1098 Says:
49:00 this guy definitely believes the US government wouldnt harm its citizens to stay in power 😂😂😂😂 im an american and i dont believe that
@aaronasissoard1098 Says:
Heard someone talking about the CIA doing hybrid warfare then all these odd usaid expenses and the trans nonsense all makes sense now.
@T_WTX Says:
Quite telling Peterson never asks any question about Ukrainians and their centuries of experience with Russia. To this day, there is nothing serious on his youtube channel on this. No talk with people like Tim Snyder, Anne Applebaum etc. He once was trying to understand the cold war and studied political science before he switched to psychology. Seems to me that he never reached that initial goal, neither does he seem to seriously pursue it any more. Otherwise, he'd do more historical studying.
@EngineeringAmerica3 Says:
Kegans comments did not age well and in fact i think they arguably disqualify him from being considered a Ukraine 'expert'. He is such a war hawk its actually scary. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that hes on the payroll of Raytheon😂, or just as likely an intelligence agent. His (and the west as a wholes') complete and utter lack of accountability for ANY provocation in regards to Ukraine and Nato will continue to hurt our credibility in the eyes of the rest of the world. When ever we bomb civilians, overthrow governments, or invade sovereign nations, its for democracy (aka oil, or other natural resources) and completely justified, but whenever someone we don't like does those things, its a unprovoked attack on the rules bases order and the result of psychopathic dictators. The juxtaposition is honestly hilarious.
@Atlas-DaSiz Says:
This guy has a very anti Russia, western view of Russia. He seems like a Russophobic fool who has his own “truth”. He is far from knowing anything, and is even further from the truth. His "education" (indoctrination) seems to be the "Russia bad" "Russia enemy" typical type of western indoctrination. Washed brain, False history, zero truths.
We made them "free". Not much "freedom" left. The West is now exactly that which they fought against, maybe even worse.
There is nothing moral or ethical left in the west or nato. NATO is just the new N A Z I regime. They failed, they lost, so they made NATO.
"Rig elections" wow! Such a typical Russophobia thing to say. Why not except that people actually pick him, trust him, and agree with him. If the people want him, they pick him, let him be.
I would agree that the 90's were terrible.
Maybe stop being ignorant, and actually look into Putins claims. The west has always tried to destroy Russia, the west has been, and is to present day trying to hold Russia down, and control it.
Maybe take some time look outside of the box that you have been stuffed into.
Gaslighting... haha! That is exactly what the west does, gaslighting and projection.
"Little trick of how to read this" that just shows that you are making up garbage. Pathetic. Stop making things up and pushing your fake garbage on everyone.
Can’t listen to this fool anymore
@rizunify Says:
The biggest Putin mistake was in going from hybrid war to a conventional war.
@DoctorOreos Says:
I have NEVER heard such other bs in my life. Even when Peterson states US errors, Kagan directs the convo back to focus on the enemy.
Putin by all means doesn’t want to return to the USSR. If so, he would already have Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and others are part of the newly developed USSR. So that is BULL
Then to claim Putin wants to expand? Russia is the biggest country on earth. He had no intentions on expanding and he never wanted Ukraine to begin with. Yet it’s the 2014 Coup in Ukraine that pushed out Crimea and Donbas from being united in which Russia welcomed them with open arms.
The USSR ban religion including destroying hundreds of historical churches and cathedrals. Since Putin been President, he has not only funded DOZENS of new churches, but built Mosques and Synagogues all across Russia. Putin attends services every Sunday, and very dedicated his life to Jesus. What church is Biden part of or where does his attends, same for Trump?
The nerve Kagan speaks about how Putin getting Russian amped up over the world is after them, well DUH. In the last 20 years Russophobia has literally drove hatred. I can actually pin point it. 2008 US presidential Election when Obama defeated Clinton in the primaries . Prior to this it was Islamophobia but since this tactic exhausted Americans…politicians needed another foe. Out comes Russia with tampering with the Election results. 1940s propaganda that the Communist is returning, the hammer and sickle is going to slaughter Americans…bull shit.
Ever since then, westerner been provoking Russia from expansion of NATO to build missile defenses on their borders, to kidnapping Russian diplomats, to sanctions.
Why Russia clings to their president? It’s because despite what goes on in Russia, it’s none of anyone’s business. And when outsiders tries to influence Russian way of life, more support for their president.
Something Kagan doesn’t know jack shit about.
@internationalgolfconstruction Says:
1:15:35 Perhaps Russia never intended to take Kiev. Perhaps it wast to fake out and draw 1/2 the military away from the real objective which was to secure the natural resources of the Donbass.
@internationalgolfconstruction Says:
“Faults on both sides ?” 55:16 Yes, Putin in 2014 & 2022 broke the ‘94 Treaty to respect territorial integrity but didn’t the West do the same in 2014 with the super Democratic process of installing Poroshenko? Ukrainian people are simply Melians is Thucydides’ Melians and the Delian League.
@southeagleswings Says:
First time bad interview from Peterson
@southeagleswings Says:
Nato is expansive, see Irak, libia, afghanistan, Federick is a liar
@GregoryBoyce-w3i Says:
Book. Burning time 12 principles of life , your Never heard of the term, intellectual arrogance and it’s 12 principles wife it’s destroying this planet
@gasik17 Says:
Very good have this people like this guy, who dont know anything about Russia, with this people USA never will be make right step against Russia. So many lies in his head. And this good for Russia.
@tendaichidzikwe6328 Says:
Jordan..
You should have been in Russia interviewing the Russian president
@NorthCountyRealEstateTeam Says:
Jordan, there was an interview you did with a British Diplomat on this subject over a year ago, however I cannot find it. I'm wondering if Youtube took it down. Does anyone know where to find it? He had been involved in negotiating back in 2014-2015?
@timothylowe8327 Says:
13:00 Dr Peterson demonstrating a profound lack of grasp on the basics of the subject under discussion. At least he is consistent. 🤦🏻♂️
@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt Says:
This man conveniently leaves out the part of Putin's speech where he stated that to invade and control another nation makes no sense economically and logistically. More Russiophobic propaganda.
@LibertyJoyLibertineDestroy Says:
Teaches at West Point; ignores the historical Crimean war of the 19th century. Calls Russia “paranoid” after the West has Classically and continually sided against Russia. Perhaps this gentleman should teach “woke studies” instead of pretending to teach history. A better treatise on this topic of geopolitical hegemony is Kissingers “New World Order”
@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt Says:
Cut the bullshit. Putin does not want to convert Ukraine from it's pro-western stance, he wants Ukraine to be neutral and above all to abandon its anti-Russian propagandising of the Ukranian population.
@N.Sniper Says:
Taiwan is not recognized by the UN but it is an independent state.
@dirtysilver2841 Says:
A year later with new information, it would show with evidence, American Democrats had more interest in starting this war than Putin did.
Never forget, the same people who voted to go to war in the middle east are the same people who voted to support the war n Ukraine. The democrats pushed to expand the war in the middle east, and they will push to expand the war in Europe. Democrats are the ones pushing war, in order to make money.
@dgfunds5893 Says:
Garbage guest.
Stick to psychological discussions.
@dgfunds5893 Says:
Kagan is a western neocon liar.
All his talking points are NeoCon garbage.
Jordan. Stay in your lane.
Keep to psychology.
Your political dogma is amateurish and puerile.
@alexander-77-e8x Says:
Putin had been meeting all Ukrainian presidents, including Zelensky and had signed plenty of agreements with Ukraine
@alexander-77-e8x Says:
Putin used to hope to support his muppet in Ukraine Mr. Medvedchyuk, but after Zelensky has closed all media of Medvedchyuk, Putin had lost his temper
@alexander-77-e8x Says:
An excellent review of the Minsk accord!👏
@catapfract Says:
Slava Russia and respect for Mr Putin ,my hero these days...
@SoapWhiskey Says:
It’s a shame that a professor backs his claims with such lame things as a separate church. All kinds of protestant churches don’t recognize Rome as the center of faith. Does it make them less European then? Also any teenager can name one or two countries who have at some point considered themselves unique and better in some way than all other countries. If Kagan starts the conversation with such weak arguments, then I don’t think that he quite knows what he’s talking about. He can only sell his conclusions to someone totally ignorant of what Russia is. The thing is that the west(meaning catholic and protestant Europe, US, Canada and Australia) rejects Russia as a part of the west and has been doing that for centuries because they have their own conception of what it is to be the west - that is to be like them. You can be different, but only to the degree which is defined by us(the “west”). If you’re more different than we would like - then you’re just not west, because we don’t like the degree to which you’re different. Notice how rarely media calls orthodox European countries western(Moldova, Romania, Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Greece). That’s because it challenges their worldview a little. It’s like “Well, they’re kind of west, but mainly because it would feel awkward to not call them western. They’re placed in Europe for fuck’s sake.” But if you spent time in Bulgaria or Serbia and then go to Russia - you wouldn’t think that those nations represent different civilizations. That’s for sure. That doesn’t mean that nowadays all Russians consider themselves western or even European though(which to me is weird because otherwise russians are asians and that phrase makes me laugh out loud. You cannot be something unique. Fundamentally a country belongs to a certain civilization - Christian or some other. A culture either developed from the european branch of the indo-european family and was greatly influenced by other european countries or not, in which case it really is not European) Russians not calling themselves the west is mostly the west’s fault in my opinion. After the collapse of the USSR many Russians had hopes of finally being recognized as a part of Europe, but were rejected because we are not even like Poland. More like Bulgaria.
@johanlindberg2712 Says:
Both parties in this conflict are lying, the US and Russia. This is the nature of war. Frederick Kagan is just promoting US propaganda.
@johanlindberg2712 Says:
Listen to John Mearsheimer instead. Much more logical explanations.
@faithfamilyfreedom5750 Says:
This guy got no idea on what's happening in Ukraine he is taking nonsense, no history credentials regarding Russia and Ukraine.
@anothershadowbanned Says:
The c3ntr@L bankers took out every other regime that opposed them. Now they want to take Russia. That was what the middle eastern campaign was about.
@ITbuba Says:
They got him, propaganda much ? Very shallow and one-sided.
@TheTruthIsEasier Says:
53:44 To some extent, this is the same damage Trump did to the fabric of society. It was so convoluted... what was he being truthful or dishonest - or just outright absurd - about, that the our perceptual systems could no longer weed out false positives, false negatives, etc. what's our hit rate, miss rate, and here we are in a low validity environment, no framework for pattern recognition, so we're at a cognitive impasse. People in general throw their hands in the air, exclaim "Aaw, for F@#% sake!" and go look for some dopamine source to self-sooth against the existential angst.
@TheTruthIsEasier Says:
14:50 Sounds like Putin is an analog to Henry VIII with the formation of the Anglican Church.
@dominicrohde7230 Says:
Hope Jordan is listening greatly because his comments at the beginning of the war were totally foolish
@yar822 Says:
More money to the milarty complex he offers, so ... He must be happy things went this way...
@HegelsOwl Says:
01.11.45: JP says, "So, you've covered 'unprovoked, unwarranted, and illegal.'" Nope. "Unjustied" changed to "unwarranted," and wasn't covered. Justification quotes by Putin/Lavrov, from documents, weren't argued. Nothing on the other two points was argued. There was only accusations and ad homs.
I like Kagan. No intellectual rigor, nor pretensions to being scientific, explaining anomalies. He just picks a question with his biases and "explains" it, as any grade-schooler might. Unable to state arguments, nevermind a valid one, he's always oracular, like a child telling classmates what to believe. Instead of kingpin historical documents, he uses ad homs and accusations for "validation." Best of all, he speaks action-movie metaphysics of "Good Guys and Bad Guys," because his target audience loves action movies.
In the real world, it doesn't matter THAT you invaded someone's house. All that matters is Why. If you invaded to save family members, because the house was on fire...Well.
@sasquatch4315 Says:
Kagan is a propagandist for the west. Hopefully Jordan will interview someone from the other sides point of view.
@heathgluskie7951 Says:
I think you should consider the perspective of Dr John Mearsheimer of Prof of International Relations and Political Science at Chicago University. He views the war as a failure of western diplomacy and the reneging of an agreement made in the Warsaw Pact.
@misscameroon8062 Says:
Mr. Kagan is really off mark accusing Putin of aggression on Ukraine; only "low resolution" thinkers like Americans will take that as a true statement ;truly thinking and well informed people in the world know the whole Ukrainian "adventure" is a USA instigated international criminal undertaking to destabilize this region of Europe.
@deborahvretis3195 Says:
Wait a minute...everything this guy is saying about Putin, is what the US is doing. Yeltsin was a puppet of the US. Also, the Orthodox Church is actually called the Eastern Orthodox Church. How do I know? I'm an Eastern Orthodox, specifically Greek Orthodox, Christian. This guy carries around a LOT of bias. I'm done. Not one mention of the US going into the Ukraine and deposing the democratically elected president and installed another US puppet in the form of Zelensky, in 2014. Putin is just following the US strategy, not the other way around. This guy is spewing propaganda. Sorry JP. But, this is just wrong.
@johannswanepoel5828 Says:
You are talking quatch about Putin's plan reqarding Uckraine. As he has stated it numerouly that this situation was and still are pushed forward by the USA which political and military agenda u are but repeating. U should rather concsntrate over and about the total downfall of your USA Government which are virtually non existant and speading to its total bankcrupcy in the immediate future. Organized and employed by the current Biden driven Government.
@Derekoharalivestream Says:
His first point "Vladimir Putin thinks the world is out to get Russia"!... Is Vlad not correct to think so? If he's anywhere near Viktoria Nuland he's lost all credibility immediately!
@naxian3377 Says:
He got it wrong when he predicted that Putin wouldn’t invade. He still got it wrong after he invaded, when you see what happened during the 11 months after he gave that interview…I hope people won’t invest money based on his predictions.
@perun814 Says:
WTF IS WRONG WHIT U USA.
WHY CANT U UNDERSRAND THAT nobody and NOTHIN IS TAKING RUSSIAN FREE WILL Away
if Stalinisn was not enough to warn you...Then i dont know whT will.I guess only nukes then
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