Our friend @Jonathan Pageau gave a lecture on the conceptual structure of Genesis for an event that was orchestrated by the Montreal Jung Society. Jordan felt that this lecture would serve as a wonderful adjunct to his biblical series, also on Genesis, featured on this channel.
Thank you to the Montreal Jung Society and Jonathan for letting us release this video on our channel. We hope that you find it useful.
Event Title: The Symbolic World - a lecture by Jonathan Pageau
Event Description: 'Meaning is showing itself to no longer be an overlay to an arbitrary world of phenomena, but rather the very pattern of reality.
Through the questions of emergence, attention and consciousness which have been permeating so many fields in the recent past, the reality of pattern, ritual and image have also come to the fore. Meaning is showing itself, in a burgeoning post-secular age, as no longer only a subjective overlay to an arbitrary world of phenomena, but rather the very pattern of reality itself. In this frame we come to realize that the archetypal truths are not mostly biological and mental constructs in humans; they are firstly the inescapable patterning of the indefinite potential of the world as it encounters intelligence.'
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Thanks so much for this opportunity, Jordan. It was such a wonderful surprise to first of all see you in the public, and then engage with you during the Q&A. You are definitely part of what pushed me to keep my edge on for the whole discussion.
@luisbarbosa8136 Says:
21:00 - cosmological argument - how reality works
59:45 - imagem que é reinterpretação dos early fathers
1:31:15 -Darwin brought Plato back.. - Selection is NOT chaos or random, is purpose oriented towards the perpetuation of the seed. (perpetuaton of the identity)
Jordan says that it is what he has been talking with Sam Harris and Dawkins.. there is a big contraditction between the way Darwin looked and the way we looked. Its a big problem..
they brought the idea of quality back into the picture, and the reason is for the perpetuation of your own identity.
"Gods call the earth to manifest its potencial".
1:38:00 - the woke..
Jonathan - people want to make "inclusivity" as the only value.. due to the problem of "exclusion".
1:43:30 - Jonathan "we are constantly judging and discriminating.. ex: if this is the right "paper to right" etc etc".
Jordan: "God said that, that capacity for discrimination transformed good into the very good"
Means that we have the capacity to distinguish what is "higher" and what is "lower".
1:44:15 - Jonathan talks about the "very very top, of the hierarchy - where is something like Identity.. and right above that is something like "Sacrifice". - "The piramide is canonic, is self empty - so the highest thing is the king, and the very highest thing is the martyr".
"In order for the Leg of the chair to be the Chair - it has to sacrifice itself to the higher porpose".
"the highest point of identity is NEGATION of identity.. they confuse the negation of identity below, with the negation of identity above".
the end finishes with Sacrifice.. its that what means the sacrifice of Christ in the Cross. REVER
@aerochicc Says:
I'm coming late to this dinner party, but are we witnessing the beginning of an excellent friendship among JPs here??? I discovered Dr. J through Pageau. What a cool and interesting friendship they have! :)
@IdenticalDifference Says:
Jordan should perhaps for the sake of what is being said in this video for example, do a monthly video of hour long silent "lecture", where he says nothing for one hour and then simply checks out. It would do some good I think, as religion is to be lived and not talked and thought about all the time.
@Mr_M1dnight Says:
Pageau = schizeau. Peterson = schizeau.
@Wangnaovlog Says:
New subscriber wangnao vlog ❤️❤️❤️👍
@RuthCooper-l6j Says:
Almost like my father teachings , this lessons leave marks
@RuthCooper-l6j Says:
Pardom me Dr. Peterson thank you to you as well, God Bless you all
@heldivapanjaitan947 Says:
48:07
Potential, puzzle comes first
The role of the man
Identify it and making it participation of meaning
@heldivapanjaitan947 Says:
In order to encounter the world, you need to have a purpose.
The real way to engage the world is to embody. We participate in story.
The nature of group is it exclude.l
The world is patterned.
@AzazelKarnKane Says:
v-v-V
@jurgenbuuts2554 Says:
Hello Jonathan, I ordered a book on your website a month ago and I still didn't receive it! Many attempts to contact through email and contact form. 0 replies! Where is my order?
@Chrisdotnorthwich Says:
Jonathan I suggest you read a book called ‘New Heart of Wisdom’ by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso to resolve your uncertainty regarding how objects, people and all phenomena exist. In this commentary to the Heart Sutra, Geshe Kelsang explains clearly how objects exist and this will provide the answers you are looking for. Best wishes
@henryfellhauer2021 Says:
Would this make a plane like a tower of babel?
@AlexanderSchröder777 Says:
Amazin’
@DSTH323 Says:
Not another talk by this Shaman!
@RuthCooper-l6j Says:
Thank you Dr. Peterson this will take my lifetime to understand half of it, you probably think I’m crazy but I also still can’t grasp that you have being instrument on discerning the word of God, And now you have MrJonathan P. Who is the complement of your illumination, I am in awe. Thank you
@JiTuKaBheJa Says:
Did God real say that??😂😂 and who was listening and wrote that??
Brings a new perspective to as above ao bellow. This is absolutely amazing,.consider the patterns as well as the Torah code, sacres geometry, and simulation theory. Reality is a trip
@danzohattori Says:
26:54
@BrianMcClerren Says:
"Who would have thought that Darwin would bring back Plato" wow
@OliviaWhitaker-ik4kg Says:
Why is the water there. We are learning so much about how "magical" water is. How is it in the void?
@ayenew.d Says:
I like to hear Jonathan, although I only understand part of what he is saying.
@KevinMannix-sf5zk Says:
There are Sheep, Wolves and Shepard's , The very first symbol,
And every word in the religions is exactly the same as the term Dragon
what do you believe Dragon means ?
@TheVoicesInYourMouth Says:
V
Vane
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00:37
...PARAFRASIS DE FRUSTRACION CREATIVA NO ENTENDES QUE TU VIRTID ES LA CRITICA? ES EN OTRO PISO. SI NO POR LOS DE QUIEN TE DAN PARA HABLAR NO FLUYE MAS TU RIO DE GASES VIOLENTOS DE PELUQUERIA DE MUJERES DE BARRIO CHICO. PEDASO DE PELIGROSO DE VALORES CORRE CORRE QUE SOS MAS RAPIDO QUE LA VELOCIDAD DE LA ETICA. CORRE. NO VENGO ACA DE MATUTE A BAJARLE MORAL A NADIE OJO. ME QUEDABA CALLADO SI NO ME VENIAS A HACER LA JUGARRETA QUE LE HICISTE AL INDIO A MI. DECI GRACUAS QUE TENES LOS TITULIS PORQUE SI NO POR ESOS CON TU PIANITO DE MONOTECLA NI LA SALAS DESIERTAS DE COSTUMBRE. CHIMENTE QUE ESO ES LO SUYO DON GUARDAPOLVO DE LAS MANCHAS AJENAS.ese es tu paddre bô
CON TU PIANITO DE MONOTECLA NI LA SALAS DESIERTAS DE CORTESIA. CHIMENTE QUE ESO ES LO SUYO DON GUARDAPOLVO DE LAS MANCHAS AJENAS.ese es tu arte tu fuERTE.
Hay criticas admirables por VIRTUD DE la capacidad de observacion Y EXPRESION ARTICULADA DE UN MAESTRO. Chapeau.
y hay lo que decia al rincipio.
Considerando la cantidad de EXTASIS, LSD, FASO Y HONGOS HALUCIONOGENOS QUE HAN COMIDO Y TODAVIA ENTRE CLSSE Y CLASE CON LOS CHICOS EN EL AULA CREO QUE NO ES EXAGERADO PLANTEAR QUE EXISTA UN LIMITE FISICO EN LA CAPACIDAD DE EXPANCION INDIVIDUAL INTERNA DE LA CONCIENCIA
. ME LO DIJO MUY SIMPLE UNA VEZ MIENTRAS SUFRIAMOS VIENDO GENTE BAILAR ASI HAY UN PUNTO QUE YA NO APRENDEA MAS NADA.SABES COMO TE LLAMAS? PLATEAU.
NO POR NADA TRISTE.
A QUIEN PODES CURAR? TRATAR. PONELE.
NI TRATES
@repent_0ne Says:
1:49:12 Revelation.
@eortegaz Says:
1:16:42 intentionality may be a more adequate descriptor for self-directed consciousness (emphasis on agency)
@AndyPeterson-mc7gx Says:
I hope to one day understand this.
@cheryl-leeholt6683 Says:
As a mathematician, I had just identified creation as fractals. Perfect timing to hear this.
@DoctorLazertron Says:
Woooooa
We're halfway there
WoooOOA
Chairness of the chair!
@chah777 Says:
This was phenomenal. Thank you to JP and to JP (I just realized they share initials). I wanted to comment on Jonathan’s point around 1:47, where he speaks of the darkness of unknowing being the highest spiritual place. It seems to me there may be another layer above or beyond this darkness of unknowing at the top of the hierarch, which is the breathtaking light of heaven that exists as an ordered place beyond the breakdown of knowing. This Heaven for instance needs no material sun to convey that light, and that light cannot be blotted out as by a solid material rock for instance, like Jonathan mentions. This light shines both day and night. This is the vision of post apocalyptic reality set forth in Revelation. The perplexing thing is that this heavenly reality, where there’s no longer material shadows or heaviness of sin, is ALSO fully embodied. I would love to hear Jonathan make more sense of this vision of reality, and on Revelation in general. Thank you again.
@ibelieve3111 Says:
Thanks
@Libellisth Says:
Hear Hear..
@ridethelapras Says:
Watching stuff like this to hold me over until the next Exodus video, lol.
@rcg2665 Says:
What a blessing Jonathan is to this world. Been so impacted by Jordan petersons work for awhile now but i’m also glad he led me to Jonathan cuz wow these two are both so full of knowledge and perspective and as a Christian I love seeing Jonathan pushing Jordan’s views nd challenging him in the respectful way he does it’s just so cool i love and respect these two so much for everything they’ve done, continue to do and will do for the time being. God bless you all <3
@existential_nomad Says:
Symbolic map ALL RIGHT 🔥😃
Thank's for the mapping out and map to navigate by. 🙏👍
@vi0letcr1me Says:
BORING!
@MM-mt3rx Says:
Anyone else have to watch, then rewatch and then rewatch again to try and understand the concepts of Jordan and his pals? I’ve read and listened to his books many times and still feel like I don’t really fully grasp all that’s going on but the depth is why I keep coming back. The Jordan Peterson selection of rabbit holes. Thoroughly enjoyable.
@grendelfoxe837 Says:
It’s a pity he has to speak with such desperation as I’m sure it’s an interesting subject given a little more space for pattern of argument to form..
@laurafortier9295 Says:
Whoa whoa. Ok, wild animals preflood and wild animals post flood are different in relation to man. Yes, the hierarchy says the wild animals are below the livestock, and that is fine, but the reason people cannot truly domesticate say a crocodile is more to do with the Noahic covenant, which affects us all and not necessarily the creation.
@ibelieve3111 Says:
Hey
@raywest7222 Says:
"So are we a knitting group or are we a band?" 🤣😂😭
@blondenespence1293 Says:
Happy sabbath! The late pastor general of the world wide church taught that the Creator is reproducing himself in man. I didn't go to college, actually a high school drop out, but I kinda get the point.
@DeepThinkersClub Says:
Light 💡 is knowledge and darkness 🌚 is ignorance. True positivity is intuitive knowledge, and true negativity is ignorance. We became ignorant entering this simulation to gain optimal experience. The only way to overcome ignorance is by experience with polarity which requires suffering.
@ryantakach1478 Says:
this goes so hard
@TheEtrepreneur Says:
what a great ending! you're going up, Jonathan. Rejoice!
@lindamyersluker655 Says:
so what you call paterern I call My theory of Reemblence everything resembles everything else. ive had thattheory for ever thanks for helpping me to see it ore clearly.
@michaelbruen7696 Says:
This is best suited to a teenage audience ; Johnathon needs to work with someone on being a lot more concise. 30 minutes is more than enough to express the ideas contained.
@literaturecomealive Says:
So good, Jonathan. Our world is thought made visible.
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