Dr Jordan B Peterson and Victor Davis Hanson discuss the state of Ivy League universities, the rise of administrative exploitation, and the cost of our institutions losing credibility.
Victor Davis Hanson is the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, focusing on classics and military history. He is an accomplished academic, professor, and author. He has taught at Stanford, Hillsdale College, the US Naval Academy, and Pepperdine University. His books include 'The Second World Wars,' 'The End of Sparta,' 'The Soul of Battle, Carnage and Culture,' the most recent being 'The Dying Citizen: How Progressive Elites, Tribalism, and Globalization Are Destroying the Idea of America.'
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:23) Intro
(2:30) Citizen or consumer?
(6:20) Transformation of the tribe
(8:00) Modern reversion to tribalism
(11:42) The need for a higher-order principle
(13:40) Aristotle: democracy leads to radical equality
(17:00) Western culture's emphasis on the individual
(20:22) Recalibration of the term 'diversity'
(23:00) Merit left behind, SAT's
(30:00) Campus demographics, competition
(31:00) Criteria for admission: why it matters
(36:40) What your degree used to mean
(38:55) The commissar system
(41:00) Admission rejection based on DEI
(44:00) The new education front
(48:28) Taking accreditation public
(53:13) Academia is broken
(58:40) Points of failure, Adjuncts
(1:03:30) Petty tyranny
(1:05:45) Critical legal theory
(1:07:15) Child psychology, predators
(1:09:39) When patriotism dies
(1:13:30) The armed forces, seeking challenge
(1:16:00) The fall of Civilization
(1:17:25) The dilemma for Conservatives, Trump
(1:22:02) Agenda = financial support
(1:24:55) The Gulag Archipelago, ethos
(1:28:50) Literacy and empowerment
(1:33:54) Experiments in belief
(1:36:01) America is not a democracy
(1:38:15) Appeal of democracy, reality of the mob
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I wish I could keep up with this conversation. Miss Jordan Peterson a lot.
@Dmitryzakharov Says:
Isnt that ironic that JP speaks about his two university endeavors while sayinh that the second one is operated by his daughter
@GlobalAffairsWatch-l5j Says:
I got accepted into an Ivy League school after I got out of the military. I was definitely a diversity hire, but I made peace with it. I went to an orientation group meeting and I knew I was in the wrong place when I was cursed for being white. I wasn’t as well versed on the societal issues back then. It just seemed like the biggest pissing content to see who was the most unique or oppressed. If only they could see what went on in the Middle East back then. What happened to my buddies.
@benjaminhoffmanspeaks Says:
Peterson's adherence to evolutionary ideology is tragic considering his intellect and ability to see truth in other areas.
@DanMasterton Says:
Funny the more real world wisdom I achieve…the more and more so called ‘scholars’ look to be nothing more than ignorant wordsmiths. These two fine gentlemen are true thinkers, in every sense
@RichardHandcock-w2o Says:
I question whether Ivy League students shouldn't be forced to EAT poison ivy!! .... Well, it's better than requiring them to eat $**t!!
@Mayurshembekar1711 Says:
Two of the most inspiring and knowledgeable human beings. Love this conversation❤
@miaash3870 Says:
What a brilliant historian!
@waverunner5899 Says:
Being a 63 year old white agrarian born male with a GED. I am thankful for both of you and read your books. Thank you for sharing.
@1961Lara Says:
Two of my very favorite people!!!
@wendellbabin6457 Says:
1:01:29 NOT to mention that for ALL THOSE NEW FEMALES, the Litter to pick from for an M.R.S. Degree was so much "Richer" to include "Trust Fund" kids. So if she could "fake it" well enough to dodge the Parents Demand for a Pre-Nup, she could even SCORE BIG in the divorce!
Any poor girl that could finagle her way into any IVY League or high ranking State or Private College not necessarily Ivy caliber that is a WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN! ANYWAY. Even if she is over her head academically if she scores a Graduating Senior the First Semester if she's Hot Enough!
Might even work out if her sex life in HS wasn't a freak show and Mr. Perfect gets wind of it when his CEO dad gets results of the Background check when she goes back home to the Trailer Park for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
@wendellbabin6457 Says:
47:00 I Think THAT could be the FIRST DEGREE OR AMONG THEM CERTAINLY TI be offered and certified INDEPENDENT OF ALL WOKE TEACHER PROGRAMS.
Any Humanities or other degree count as TEACHER CERTIFICATION OR Continuing education maybe.
Included would be BOOBY TRAP questions that Red states or School Districts trying to "De-wokeify" entire systems could have some sort of LITMUS test other than a "Studies"MAJOR or MINOR or even an elective" as exclusion for HIRING AT ALL for Private Schools and Public Districts or Individual schools that either don't hire these teachers or can use it to deny tenure, say.
Have to do something or we will lose another generation if kids who COULD be spared their eventual Fate. Because their Single mother may be WOKE or WOKE-ADJACENT.
@rdw1744 Says:
These two are intellectual titans -I feel like my IQ went up a couple points after listening to these two
@lettiemohammad457 Says:
Lost of trust in government turns us back to tribal customs (dependence only on family)
@conniekaros4006 Says:
Stupid leading stupid,blind teaching the blind to see,thank you both and Hillsdale.
@conniekaros4006 Says:
We are supposed to C 14:52 constitutional Republic ,for and by the people.not a pure democracy.
@conniekaros4006 Says:
Yep,
@apolloguide Says:
A miracle of cognitive blending !!. Do this again gentlemen 😄
@albertarthurparsnips5141 Says:
It’s one of the greatest meeting of the minds that I’ve been blessed to view,..but, as a teacher myself, it’s all so horrifically identifiable, sadly. Even at the humble level in which I serve children , as a primary school teacher.
@JoshuaDarius-bm7nc Says:
Pretty ironic that the results communism have been shown to bear more nowhere else than the rural west like British Columbia. People here after hundreds of years of everything that came before and everything people went through and sacrificed people want to throw their smartphones through the wall in spite of that being everything everything amounted to, because they look around and they look back and they see old lumber Mills and old coal mining towns, of the heritage of their people, and they see sacrifice and victimization and working hard for a living for living an opportunities, limited Avenue to live an honest life only trying to barricade yourself into that life to avoid oppression throughout your entire family until it divides family. Pretty evident that nobody cares about the woke ideology the very progressives that stymied the progression that generations of people have worked towards and have become physiologically incapable of perpetuating without the promised results that justifies the sacrifice as if such a thing can be justified instead of just moved on from.
@DrBeeGee Says:
Two very brilliant men
@dawnvasquez1139 Says:
Once Peterson said both left and right felt same way about distrust of institutions...
Victor kindly stepped in and finished him off quickly...
And respectfully...
Nice conversation.
Wisconsin Friends
@dawnvasquez1139 Says:
Victor took the young dr...and slowly walked him through the first 25% of his brain...
Dr Peterson...said ...
"Wow"...
Repeatedly....
Wisconsin Friends
@showtime4956 Says:
Die-heart Earned It (DEI) by Working Hard, several jobs and pursuing Education opportunities, in-spite of discriminatory practices, low wages, last to be hired and first to fired without cause, Smiling faces Who are back stabbers, and …
@flparkermdpc Says:
How the worm has turned since two years ago. This discussion occurred at the height of the woke DEI movement, playing out it's own demise under the Obama Biden plan creating the conditions for MAGA and the second Trump Presidency. Two years after this, Donald Trump is president the second time, and in his first WEEK, dismantled DEI, closed all those government offices, the bases for their decrees being illegal, unconstitutional, restoring the rules of law, and of meritocracy and dismantling the work of the Obama and other soft left Republicans. We're just in the opening battles, but I have my first glimmers of hope and justice in thirty years. The unmasking of the Jimmy Carter disaster occurred almost the same moment that he died, with the reclaiming of the Panama Canal by President Trump. The righting of the ship of state has begun, if we can keep the helm and the control of the con, as is said in our Navy. Reclaiming the controls of the halls of justice, FBI, and CIA is happening. In the FIRST WEEK! Pray for the Spirit of America under God.
@Jdinrbfidndifofkdndjoflfndjdk Says:
Victor davis is badass
@braulioarencibia7407 Says:
Awesome conversation, thank you both! I also have seen Ayn Rand interviews and books; she believed there were two types of people. The ones who confront and asume their responsibility to the real world and those who don’t want to have responsibility and deny reality. The second ones always want to slave the ones who produce the goods and ideas.
@bearowen5480 Says:
Victor, you used the example of snap phrases as a component of ideology concerning a student who believed American government wasn't democratic because low population states like Wyoming have the same number of senators as high population states like California, i.e. two senators per state. That was modified by the 17th Amendment in 1913 from the original Constitution which provided that Senators were to be elected by the state legislatures. Since then, Senators have been directly elected by the people of those states.
I think that was a very bad Wilsonian idea, because it removed yet another Constitutional provision originally installed by the Founders designed to insulate the national legislature from the mercurial passions of the citizenry. Now the Left would like to further amend the Constitution to additionally weaken the sovereign power of the states by abolishing the Electoral College, and by apportioning the number of US Senators to the population they represent. Those two measures, if enacted would spell the end of state governments altogether and eliminate the currently existing political responsiveness of state and local governments to the will of the people they represent. I think the result would be disastrous! 🐻🇺🇲
@artisanconcrete1212 Says:
Wow, bravo gentlemen. What a show, what an enlightenment. I need some time to let this settle in but damn if this wasn't needed. Godspeed and God Bless.
@johnpowell2790 Says:
Please do more. Fascinating podcast. Thank you.
@yanah.965 Says:
I don’t know Zuckerberg’s true underlying motivations or what his genuine beliefs & intentions are regarding free speech (I certainly don’t trust him). However, regarding his remarks about Trump’s immediate response to being shot, and his characterization of it as being “a bad ass” move, in the spirit of strength— regardless if Zuckerberg was feigning it or being authentic, Chang has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. Look at the vacant look in her eyes and her body language. Most of these privileged woke modern women in journalism don’t understand the concept of deterrence. They perceive defending oneself, male strength & resilience and almost all protective tactics & acts of deterrence as bullying and acts of oppression— which is why the world is on fire and all our institutions in the West— from academia, journalism, politics government, military and science are collapsing.
There is a reason why:
•Men Don’t Rely On Women To Do Protection
•Matriarchies Don’t Survive
&
•Civilization Requires Deterrence
Thank God America men finally said “No” to The-Party-Of-Women.
@VolkRevel-USA Says:
Dr. Peterson, if Tribalism is so bad why is it so central to the formation of culture and society?
@clffeingold Says:
Much respect to both of you gentlemen. Outstanding conversation. Thank you.
@dfuser2681 Says:
People misunderstand the phrase in the Declaration of Independence that states( all men are created equal) This is a statement of rights not ability. Now because they don't understand that they think the declaration is to be ignored. Under the law all rights are to be dispensed in equal regard. Opportunity should also be offered without bias as to race, sex, or religion, but a persons individual abilities should be recognized and leveraged for the good of the individual and the society. Individuality is the spice of life and everyone brings something unique to the table.
@shalevedna Says:
Tal communism—pure communism—has been tried. It was called the Kibbutz in Israel.
It failed.
@shalevedna Says:
What about the very rich black actors and sportspeople??? Are they oppressed too?????
@NarrativesInMotionTV Says:
Thank you
@filthyasstrucking Says:
Woah what a fabulous combo
@DonRoyal1 Says:
I LOVE both these guys BUT what they fail to discuss is that the demise of education was carefully planned by the same group that planned the demise of everything else. Who are they, where are they, what is their end game, and what can be done to get our educational system back?
@klayt2024 Says:
I’m honestly terrified of the liberal globalists.. they want to erase national identities and middle class so they can rule their authoritarian dystopian reset.. I have hope many are waking up and I have hope that the left moves even further left to completely alienate themselves from ever being able to govern again by the people. Liberals/Democrats and the RINOs they own are the single greatest domestic threat America has ever faced..
@IndepIntel Says:
All institutions are corrupt because Leftists captured them.
@LonzoZoty Says:
Saving a spot fr 40:20
@purplerpond Says:
You two should dump your brain more, your program will beat all legacy network!🎉
@purplerpond Says:
Two of my favorite men!
@RobFraxedas Says:
The IQ and common sense are going reach critical mass.
@Arlo-x4p Says:
Take a trip to UCSD and you will observe that over half of the student body is Asian. Perhaps what you both meant regarding the 25% Asian student body at these colleges was Asian American students. Chinese Nationals appear to significantly outnumber Asian American students.
@si.tum.little.man. Says:
Mr Peterson when you say your grandmother was an ape, it devalues any conversation after that
@dougmoore5252 Says:
I relate to other Catholic’s more readily, more conservatives also. Although I watch liberals sometimes also.
@herrent Says:
Especially when university medical schools change medical exam questions to social justice questions so no one will fail. Just to send people who are not qualified back to their community so their community can have complete failure for a doctor that’s the same race
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