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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and parkour expert Rafe Kelley discuss the importance of rough-and-tumble play for developing children, how a lifestyle centered around movement can expand our grasp and involvement with the natural world, and why society should value masculine activities, rather than adhering to the push for feminization in all aspects of modern life.
Rafe Kelley is an entrepreneur and advocate for a lifestyle centered around human movement. He suffered at a young age from ADHD, causing him to struggle in school. As it would happen, he came into contact with a mentor who recognized his need for play, encouraged time in nature, and taught him to productively roughhouse. This quickly resulted in Kelley advancing in his studies, launching him on his life path. In college, he studied anthropology and evolutionary biology, falling in love with martial arts and parkour along the way. He would go on to establish the first parkour gym on the west coast, Parkour Visions, before developing a new fitness lifestyle based on primal movement that Kelley calls 'Evolve, Move, Play.'
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(0:00) Coming Up
(1:57) Intro
(3:33) Rafe's early childhood and ADHD
(5:18) The balance between the mother and father roles
(7:24) Early age crisis and mentorship
(10:57) Play and murder
(13:00) The expansion of reflex
(15:22) Cultural need for roughhousing
(18:50) Provocation and response
(22:22) Dogs need to jaw-spar
(24:39) Why people tease each other
(25:03) Lunch Bucket, initiating play
(27:08) A game that scales, low resolution maps
(30:50) Banning tag, 7 minute recess
(33:10) Women and rough-and-tumble play
(35:38) Identity confusion is late game exploratory play
(38:47) Video games out-compete traditional play
(41:39) 5 fundamental connections with the world
(44:01) Playing with children, building confidence
(51:10) Laughter on the deeper level, learning the rules
(53:35) Tools and targets
(55:30) Wrestling with god: the physical deepens the spiritual
(57:39) Animals, play, and competence hierarchies
(1:00:23) Rats, micro-victories and micro-defeats
(1:04:26) Playing with a less-abled partner, self handicap
(1:07:00) Parkour: exploratory locomotive play
(1:09:50) The jump that calls to you
(1:11:03) The highest obstacle is the greatest affordance
(1:15:34) Scaling parkour down for the uninitiated
(1:17:06) Jack White, playing on the edge
(1:18:31) Movement variation, multi-level DNA mapping
(1:22:41) Invoking the spirit of voluntary challenge
(1:23:59) Hostile brothers, dueling spirits
(1:25:34) Mapping physical and emotional courage
(1:32:34) Evolve. Move. Play.
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I have one incredibly extraverted son, and with other kids he tends to overlook how they signal pain when rough housing. When an adult wrestles with him instead (usually family) he notices, probably because we're able to communicate more clearly, and he's more likely to respond positively because he values playing with an adult more 😂
@belenharris8174 Says:
Having worked with herding breed puppies and dogs, you do have to be clear on nipping-to-herd.
I do rough house with the pups and correct the biting AND being around other healthy older pups and dogs is CRUCIAL. They need to learn when to stop from other dogs as well as humans.
@ChantryKnight Says:
Do not fall for this spew-do-intellectual's BS... A conman spouting buzzwords that he knows will trigger his followers, nothing more.... The modern day equivalent to the snake oil salesman, except in this case he pushes his own performances and paperbacks rather than tonics and elixirs.
@makermagazine5853 Says:
Stopped watching
He’s not ok
@makermagazine5853 Says:
Hmmm.Don’t like this guy’s vibe:”I became the guy who facilitated rough housing with young boys.”
I understand the importance of play but not with this guy in the room.
No one else can feel his pedo vibe?
I’ll pass
@jonjacksongrieger255 Says:
Rafe Kelley is a government agent. Jordan knows. Watch closely.
@srussifordwilliams Says:
titans of knowledge, thank you both ❤
@rossjohnmartin Says:
This explains a lot to me but it’s a bit of a kick in the gut. I was adopted by older parents and my adoptive father was mostly sedated on anti psychotic drugs. The couple of times he did try, he’d do things like hold me until I wet myself like he also didn’t know how to play so physical contact always felt dangerous to me. Even now I rarely let people touch me.
@viktoria93133 Says:
Incredible! Thank you so so much!
@woozledog Says:
My friend and i used to throw a hammer back and forth like a football lolol
@Acedecoeur Says:
Hi Jordan
@etaokha4164 Says:
When boys have a weak emotional unavailable father, it's left all to the mother pick up from where father failed his child. I am a masculine mother of 2 raising a boy and girl and I allow my kids to explore and pretend play and go outdoors in the park and walk in grass and play with sticks. Boys need their dads but the need mature dads not immature dads who will always let them down and never be fathers to them. My ex is a covert narcissist and he neglects alot of his son needs like bonding and teaching his son how to be a strong mental man but nope. His father chose to run away from his responsibility. I am forced to teach my son alone
@eo7994 Says:
I remember people asking me why am I playing with kids like dogs, but I couldn’t help myself. Now I get what that means 🌚
@eo7994 Says:
Being the competitive sporty female I’m glad my gramps and other males wrestle with me all the time. I just think that I need to be more afraid of physical and emotional confrontation for my own safety 😂
@Niborino9409 Says:
A point for video games is pretend-play in a sense. I remember when I was 15 or so I played as a woman in Saints Row 3 and GTA V. And it felt the same way, new and exciting. I also went to the clothing store in-game way too often. So often that I had to stop playing as the female character and go back to being a man in game again 😂😂
I believe I had that outlet there so I am very much a man and have no confusion whatsoever in that fact.
@Niborino9409 Says:
This is interesting. Maybe a lack of play and roughhousing is why sparring sometimes escalates to actual fighting!
@annalise6361 Says:
This has taught me everything about dog training lol
@persnipoles Says:
The one-liner that could serve as a takeaway: "...no one had ever played with Lunchbucket, that's for sure..."
@makerdesigner2396 Says:
A children book! I will definitely buy that book from Mr. JBP
@LifeRocks.School Says:
Wow, I didn't expect to see these two powerhouses on a podcast! Such an important conversation.
@dominikm.8990 Says:
Okay, but what exactly do you say to a person who's screwed like that bedside that they are screwed?
Sorry, I might be a little late to the party with this. But I grew up as the well-behaved yet shy kid adults adored, and kids kinda disliked. I rarely ever experienced rough play, and it is only now in my late 20s that i feel the consequences of that. Now I'm socially anxious, i don't like the company of other men, and I'm totally non-confrontational. For some reason im bisexual, so i have not remained depraved of sex, gay men love me, straight men have no interest in my company, and I'm mostly invisible to women. I have no idea how to approach them, I hate dancing, I have no interest in sports, and I'm socially awkward. I want to change, but I don't know how... I have just been to a wedding, and all of those inadequacies of mine resurfaced all at once. I didn't engage in dancing, I barely spoke to anyone but my family, and when the groom threw the garter, I did participate because SURPRUSE, SURPRISE I'm one of the single ones, all the guys danced around and pushed each other around playfully. I remember one pushing me and I just stood there.. I didn't dare push back ad I think he felt that and just ignored me... I feel so unprepared for all of this. I have no girlfriend, I have no friends and my life is pretty much a man-child like state. I hate it and all I'm hearing from you is that I'm done for because I didn't experience it in the right period of my childhood. Well, here I am... ready to end it all, my suicide note is on my computer... my therapist doesn't really help either, so What do I and so many like me do?
@SuperGenericguy Says:
Easy gratification ignores an obvious problem. Young people don't have the money and freedom to socialize outside of the virtual space. They're actually corralled into it. It's there, it's available, and you don't have to ask your dismissive, unfriendly and selfish parents everytime you watch anime or youtube or play a game online. If you are going to hang out with your friends, you need to coordinate with them, you need transport, and then you need something to do which usually costs a lot. Or you can hop on a game and see someone else online and it doesn't cost half as much. 1 game for $20 will let you socialize with people for maybe a year. It costs $20 just to go get fast food. The internet is designed in an exploitative way sure, but they're only exploited because they're basically in prison all their lives with no agency or money of their own to do things outside. The virtual world is cheap. And people are poor.
@ibelieve3111 Says:
Hey
@nobodygh Says:
I wrestle my son almost every day. Slowly teaching him some jiu-jitsu as we go
@annayeager6404 Says:
AMAZING
@iwenolongertrustliars9396 Says:
Yes the times when kids and adults are hurt beyond their desire for pain is what makes people stay away from physical pain and emotional etc. I've seen parents train their kids to be hateful and hurtful. To dominate no matter what it takes. There's a term for them. Arseholes lol I've met those who like some pain but then after they invite it they regret it. You have to have self control. Some like to hurt others beyond what they want and that turns people away from physical play. There's a song with the lyrics " just comes naturally to me". Yet if not taught correctly or under provocation you end up with people avoiding you. Nobody wants to be hurt beyond their invitation level. In one of my first martial arts classes my team mate asked me to kick him harder and harder, then was like ouch okay enough oops.
@edjarrett3164 Says:
Public schools have become prisons to kids. When I attended there were always generous recess periods for kids to socialize. That 30-45 minutes outside of instruction was as equally important to kids learning social skills. Fights were a natural part of the hierarchy but important without school supervision. It identified the good guys from the bad and everyone knew the score. Less supervision produced better results. Great discussion and important for all ages. If we don’t work together to socialize kids, we become the poster child of Chicago.
@danielguala3141 Says:
If males do need rough and tumble play and helps in all those ways, how do women learn the same things? I mean, women are usually not that willing to play rough but yet they also have all these traits that are mentioned in this video as benefits from rough play. Do they learn them differently? BTW I fully agree with what is being said.
@cherylnagy126 Says:
emotional scaffolding
@cherylnagy126 Says:
maximize your potential
@quinnmartin4236 Says:
Julian just got OUTED.
@NGAOPC Says:
REALLY looking forward to this but not sure if it will just anger me 😂 as a child raised by single hippy fem mom who when we would have any tumbling play, and we pushed a limit…she would smack us or punch us in direct opposition to a proper “pedagogy”…and THEN loudly say “you don’t hit women!…” etc…almost laughable if I weren’t now an underdeveloped grown ass 50+year old who’s experienced my share of ensuing abuse and assaults and seldom responded well to them.
@milleniumtardis Says:
Maybe kids shoot up schools because they’re playing violent video games. Not because of the context but because they’re not being socialized properly. I played some pretty violent games in my teens but my friends and I still did stuff outside and I’m fine
@desertcourier7340 Says:
I remember being at people's house of a friend of mine, the family had relatively younger children and a pool. The first thought that came to mind was the time I was launched into the air by an adult and how much fun it was. I launched a kid from my shoulders that they could jump as high as they could once and they kept my busy for hours but I didn't regret it once as it brought happiness. You have to awaken your inner child.
@andreasbeier2431 Says:
When I think about it, i have three friends I consider my best friends. One of those started after a fist fight, another after verbal teasing and some judgement, and only one with reciprocal friendliness and generosity. Shoutout to my boys Alex, Adarsh, and Nick right here 🤙🏻
Edit: we did parkour together for years, when I think about it
@blessedly4499 Says:
Imagine a world where everyone had the privilege to have people like Dr Peterson & Tammy as parents, we would be in a version of utopia
@blessedly4499 Says:
This is beautiful! It made me emotional for the boys & men in this modern time
@6spdkeg Says:
Geeewizzz. I can see so many problems that have come from and predicated less play. A lot of negatives have also come from more discipline when the play is perceived to be too aggressive or annoying. Some people are so stressed or have such short tempers that many forms of play are seen as annoying and negative.
I also think there has been a problem with people having less discussions and or when they do have them, no one tells them they are wrong or makes them think they just affirm. Their peers just affirm and they easily move on thinking they are correct and never really learn what it is to have a tough discussion where people will tell you that you are wrong. From experience I noticed my x-wifes friends were very liberal, some radical and her parents and 2 brothers were pushovers. She was never really told she was wrong.
She'd often blow up when she couldn't "win" discussions and basically always would try to limit the degree at which she could be seen as wrong even though she has no experience or examples to provide. The theoretic thinking affirmed by niceness... . A true iss I see with lefties is the degree to which they lash out when the encounter resistance.
@richardmerrow8505 Says:
Logging taught me a lot about nature and hard work and how to get nature to work with me
@peacockLife Says:
there is really a fundamental issue with schooling.. loading children with books and reading materials and not allowing them to explore nature IS detrimental to health and mental health. and i am likely not correct about this, but we can see it in real life, there are 25% children with active depression.. children.. imagine that. but adults cannot do this, a man doing this to a woman is dominance behavior and counts as sexual harassment
@vitalikklishin9435 Says:
very interesting take on physical movement and play and its importance! great conversation!
@molemomolebatsi966 Says:
Name of sound at the start of the video
@erikataylor5629 Says:
Well, I recently saw a post on Instagram where the mothers were freaking out about a photo of two little boys playing rough and tumble, wrestling, the one holding the other one down. They were on a soft surface and not at risk of any serious injuries that I could see. But these women were going on about negligent parenting, accusing these parents of teaching the kids violence and that it was unacceptable. I thought it was perfectly acceptable as I have two boys, and I have seen much more serious violence. 😂
@joan3891 Says:
I love this! Young parents and grandparents would gain so much by listening to this. Basic Child psychology has been lost in high school and university.
@lukebarnes4552 Says:
My local elementary school has also outlawed tag and I can vividly see how starving the kids are for explorative play. Very sad.
“The whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and who think for themselves, and who don't know how to be submissive, and so on -- because they're dysfunctional to the institutions.”
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@yewtree2552 Says:
It’s so enlightening to listen to this channel! Thank you, guys!
@TGBahr Says:
I love teasing but I only feel free to do so with people I feel sympathtetic towards.
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