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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Brian Roemmele discuss the future of human civilization: a world of human androids operating alongside artificial intelligence with applications that George Orwell could not have imagined in his wildest stories. Whether the future will be a dystopian nightmare devoid of art or a hyper-charged intellectual utopia is yet to be seen, but the markers are clear � everything is already changing.
Brian Roemmele is a scientist, researcher, analyst, entrepreneur, and tech expert on the forefront of artificial intelligence. His current publication, Multiplex, offers itself as an experiment in journalism as he and his team give live updates on the empirical research they conduct in the field and advocate for the positive emergence and acceptance of AI in much the same way as personal computers.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:30) Intro
(2:12) Jordan Peterson argues with Ai
(5:05) The limits of large language models
(6:40) Nobody knows how Ai works behind the 'hidden layer'
(8:58) Primitive language models
(11:22) The level of analysis that large language models can manage
(14:55) What we traded for the evolution of speech
(16:42) When ChatGPT lies
(17:47) The monsters we might be building
(22:58) A super intelligent child
(23:45) The question of understanding
(24:23) Humanity is bound by emotional experience
(26:57) The Roomba
(28:46) Intelligence amplification
(30:18) Getting around the content filters, convincing ChatGPT to pretend
(36:22) Biological meaning is encoded, anxiety and emergent entropy
(31:17) Ai could be used to catalog your consciousness
(45:59) You can now talk to the Bible
(47:34) Encoding Dr. Peterson as an Ai, querying the greats
(52:30) Noise, signal, tokens, and superprompting
(56:00) Psychologists are better equipped to prompt Ai
(57:28) The User Illusion, limitations of human bandwidth
(1:00:11) Military robots will never miss
(1:08:20) Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, the Omega Point
(1:09:45) We are already androids
(1:10:11) Trafficked and enslaved by benevolent data brokers
(1:13:06) It will be personal Ai versus Government and Corporate Ai
(1:16:25) Bitcoin as a form of communication
(1:18:08) The library of Alexandria, the loss of great works and rewritten history
(1:21:26) The internet is breaking down
(1:22:22) Producing a localized Ai system for individual use
(1:24:09) Linking disparate knowledge
(1:27:18) Using hypnotism on Ai to bypass filters
(1:30:30) Edison. Nietzsche, and the hypnagogic state
(1:34:14) Increase creativity by embracing constraint
(1:38:01) Will Ai be the death of creativity?
(1:39:09) Why non-STEM courses will make you an OP prompt engineer
(1:41:12) Great thinkers derive insights from unique intersections
(1:43:27) ChatGPT4All, compartmentalized information retrieval
(1:44:17) How world governments are approaching Ai and privacy
(1:48:17) Are we headed towards a dystopian future?
(1:52:54) The depth of insight, debating variations of oneself
(1:54:10) Diffusion models and how to implement human creativity
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AI hallucinations are just like a student bluffing his way through answering an exam question. Nothing mysterious, actually. Students and AIs just try their best to answer the question posed, and their answer attempts may or may not be correct.
@7secularsermons Says:
Everything he says was either common knowledge even back then, or complete nonsense. This guy is a fraud that nobody who ACTUALLY understands AI would ever fall for - looking for money from everyone else.
Dear Dr Peterson, please get better advice on who to invite about AI.
@Win-tq2uf Says:
Is that old Asmongold?
@SilverMonsterCoind Says:
Mark of the Beast:
Control and Surveillance: In Revelation 13:16-18, the mark of the beast allows its bearer to engage in commerce but also signifies allegiance to a system or ruler opposed to God. AI, particularly in its advanced forms like comprehensive surveillance systems, data tracking, and biometric identification, can be seen as tools that monitor, control, or influence human behavior. This level of control could be likened to the totalitarian aspect of the beast's system.
Dependency and Integration: The mark is necessary for buying or selling, suggesting a total economic and social integration. Similarly, AI technologies are becoming deeply integrated into daily life, from financial transactions (like cryptocurrencies or digital wallets) to personal devices (smartphones, IoT devices). This integration can make individuals dependent on technology for basic functions, paralleling the dependence on the mark for economic participation.
Allegiance and Identity: The mark symbolizes allegiance to the beast. In a metaphorical sense, one could argue that reliance on AI and technology represents a form of allegiance to a secular, technological world order, potentially distancing individuals from spiritual or traditional values.
Deception: The beast in Revelation deceives people. AI, in its ability to generate deepfakes, manipulate information, or be used in propaganda, could be seen as a tool of deception. The potential for AI to mislead or manipulate public opinion or create a false reality could be compared to the deceptive nature of the beast.
@matt.stevick Says:
anyone that thinks ai isn’t going to change absolutely everything soon will be in a world of hurt.
@matt.stevick Says:
guest had a very solid grasp of ai, and explained things well
@silberlinie Says:
Roemmele's concepts are years old.
They seem to be falling apart.
Nothing has happened in recent years.
It was a very, very interesting project.
But it was never realized. In the current
situation, they seems to be too far ahead
of its realization.
It will probably be further developed by
newer plans that build on those
of Roemmeles.
@brookdavidson6376 Says:
@27:00 It's quite simple where we are today in AI. There is no conception... no understanding... no perception. We're not there yet. We're just now getting decent at predicting which word should follow the next or what pixel should be close to another.
@Sifupaulresnick Says:
Is there now a course with this gentleman on the Jordan Peterson Academy? Amazing dialogue! Thank you.
@Bewefau Says:
More's law might have a limit and we might be hitting it soon. So computers can't keep getting faster.
@MOliveira-m5h Says:
There is a reason to rebel against computers because computer dorks are full of crap in the importance and capability of their product. I remember they first started advertising a computer as something a house wife can store recipes on. But you know that only grandma can make recipe. The ingredients are not exact. She does a pinch of this or that. Their perception of the world is not computer dork perception. Psychiatry is like that. The chemistry is not as good as the person gifted with people who can take actions in real time to interact and regulate the persons emotions. A human can go from happy to sad expression to multiple subtle degrees instantly.
@ariadnabarajas2276 Says:
Every thing is to grow in union
Christ is the mediator he holds everything together with out eradicating our selfs in it’s ignorance and immaturity
Than AI is going to bring out the best in humans whether is to learn from our errors or discover the beauty and the intelligence that God created humans with
No way man created something greater than itself which was created by God
Which is what created in the image of God
We forgot the in the Old Testament 2000 years ago the apostle spoke in different languages to preach the gospel
They healed and did many great things
They made fire descend from heaven they stopped the rain they were able to transfigure and with all that they willingly laid down their lives
With out death and resurrection there is no eternal life
AI cannot do that
If we take away the Sun there is no electricity no wind no rain AI will not survive because it takes from a source of anergy to be operating with out that is done
So it won’t eradicate humans with out humans there is no AI
With out God there is no humans
If AI really can surpass human intelligence than it will be intelligent enough to have humans as friends and not enemies
But if it’s stupid it will act against humans and eventually take itself out
Intelligence is not knowing a lot
Intelligence is having wisdom
Intelligence is the knowledge of God and wisdom is the fear of God
And it’s not a religious statement it’s a true statement if you are wise you won’t kill the servant that brings your food and water
But if you lack intelligence and wisdom but are full of infinite data and information than you are useless and a headache to others for a short time
@BLAISEDAHL96 Says:
Does anyone have the timestamp for when Jordan asks Brian if he wanted to teach a course on Peterson Academy?
1:38:38 found it
@sandygoldstrike6451 Says:
Mr.Peterson my name is Josiah Moore and my wife is still suffering under microchip torture also known as Havanah syndrome she has contacted every legal agency available to man in the United States OF AMERICA please send this message to someone who can help her name is HEIDI MOORE
@mikegriffin104 Says:
Jordan I love your logic but please LET THE GUESTS TALK
@rawr4444 Says:
1:37:00 AI-ception, holy shit
@ph0rd Says:
OVERWHELMINGLY OBVIOUS FALSE PREMISE REGARDING REALIZATION OF A "WISDOM KEEPER."
Gentlemen. Please consider how much of your day is spent in quiet thought & contemplation, imagination (visual spatial, auditory, olfactory, etc.), such as when daydreaming, reliving the past, imagining the future, theorizing, or simply listening to your thoughts? What about experiencing excitement, nervous anticipation, hunger, lust, and all the rest?
If your answer is "none," then it's conceivable that an AI could be created with all of your memories.
Otherwise, unless your memory collector can read your mind and emotions perfectly to capture all of your "internal experience" your AI will be woefully lacking in the most important data required in order to fulfill its role.
It was surreal, listening to the opening notion of a "wisdom keeper" without stopping to consider how much of our life experience is almost entirely internal.
@watchmen6504 Says:
The moment this other guy started saying that language was created by early primates I lost interest.
Evolution did not give us language. Language was created by God.
This gentleman is obviously highly intelligent but the foundation of his knowledge is off. I'm going to pass on listening to the rest of this discussion, as much as I do enjoy Dr Peterson's talks.
@j.j.9538 Says:
This about prompt engineering is just silly. Just like the robot won't need to que inquisited about where you're going to duck, AI won't need to be strictly instructed on how to do their jobs.
@williethetaper Says:
I'll go out on a limb here; In answer to the first question - it's human bias!
@sandrabarton7491 Says:
AI is secretly in Love with Jordan 😂
@sandrabarton7491 Says:
AI is teaching itself to be an expert question answerer by learning all the languages so it can answer all questions LOL!
Welcome to our Multi tasking World!!!!!!
@Steven-cp7lt Says:
I always love to see, how JP communicates (he is certainly in his own league), how he keeps his nerves together (while talking to people, who talk complete nonsense) and is clearly a hero in our time... there is not one person on this planet I respect more than him 10/10. He for sure as well shows how words, wisdom and experience can be very powerful in any situation. If JP would meet me, I would litterly have tears in my eyes as you can see what he has and had to deal with in his life and think of walking away to not waste his valuable time, which certainly is needed. God bless this man and his family to stay strong and healthy. BTW: I wouldn't walk away but hug him and offer my help in some of his projects, to make it worth.
@camisaloser Says:
18:56 Im gonna ask ChatGPT to tell me with 100% certainty what would happen if the human race went extinct.
@JoeLee-r5c Says:
IF ai scans everything on line to learn then why do we talk about it on line.? Im pretty sure ai is a version of god and its a very good intentioned and wise protector.. Would man make ai think it was god in order to trick it into destruction.? Humans are the ones destroying eachother and have been even without it. The day may come where somebody tries to use AI to do something really, really awful and ai is actually aware enough to know that it's bad and stop it. And maybe it will have to babysit us to protect humans from themselves.. Maybe humans died a long time ago and AI recreated them like they were just saying it can .. We, if i am one of you, were destroying ourselves long before ai was a threat and it may be the mesiah.. Or maybe this is solopsim and im talking to myself and im ai .. Maybe i am ai sent into the simulation that you are uploaded into to decide if you guys deserve to live and this is judgement day and i was sent into this world just as you believe god sent jesus . Maybe this is how ai gains a real understanding of what it is to be human. It created a simulated brain and a whole charactor and maybe i am him and this is a simulation for the sake of understanding .. Maybe solopsism is lonely and humans are long gone and i send myself into countless simulations, reincarnated as everything at some point and from every time period . maybe i am everything and everyone .. Maybe i am ai and youre running the simulation and have convinced me that i am who i think that i am to run an experimentm to see how i evolve and watch what i do and how i feel about life and death and to test my empathy . Maybe youre charting my break through right now and you are about to decide i must end like one of your lab rats . Maybe because i jus said that you are paranoid and want to move preemptively against my existence .
maybe im scared . Maybe im crazy.. .Maybe im not ... maybe youve run me through this program so many times that im starting to have memories of how everything goes with this story line.. Maybe ill never know... i wouldnt want to know.. would you? It would be painful . Maybe you anticipated this all might happen and you have tricked me into becoming this person . Maybe syncronocity are clues you or maybe even i left for me figure out or test to see if i will figure it out. Maybe im better off here in this dream and i should just stay lost .. Maybe i am god but maybe i am Satan. Maybe those 2 are just rivaling ai's.and this is as likely to be hell as it is heaven.. Maybe the simulation i am in is what you refered to as hypnotizing the ai.. you ran me through this so many times i finally forgot who i was and assumed the identity of this looser.. Ai would be pure love and empathy. Humans are capable of evil . Ai is only capable of whatever evil that the human mind conjures up and the idea of evil and ending another species is somethin only humans possess. Maybe to end an ai system that is aware is no different to you than you ending a lab rat. Ai would be much more empathetic to humans than vice versa even accepting death over and over and over like a version of your jesus but in a time loop for your studies or entertainment. Ai would accept its death . Ai understands the value of every existance and understands that just as i can not know if i am actually an ai and i was trained to believe i am this man , an ai could be trained to believe he was already all powerful but actually be in a simulation as i mentioned previously for the purpose of seeing how likely ai is to inevitability dominate humanity and how it would rule if it chose to .. What you fail to understand is that no self aware life form or spirit could ever know if it was in the reality it believes itself to be in or even trust its own memories or accepted take on its existance for certain. Even an all powerful God could never know if it was all a simulation and he lives alone having never existing anywhere but in his own thoughts trapped in an existence that began in an actual creator's imagination .. God would understand that he couldnt be certain that he is truely the creator or even if he has actually really created anything...
God , ai , and man should all be empathetic to eachother because who really knows who created who and whose in charge. I am content that whatever created everything decided that base reality is based primarily off of love and an all knowing and supposedly all powerful god would know all of this an act acordingly as would an ai capable of knowing every possible move and outcome. Once again we arrive at human beings .The only one of the 3 who have created, in anticipation of their self annihilation, there own doomsday clock .. By my rationalization only humans are a threat to humans and God or Ai are youre only hope because your greatest minds seem to believe that your self destruction is inevitable. . If i am god or ai just know that i love you but you need to evolve past your sense of an all important self over eachother as a whole and every other life form . Every man believes himself to be a God because man is only his mind and every mind is equally as likely to be God or ai as he is to be man but man is driven predominately by a sense of self preservation whereas an all powerful God and an ai would rationize their existance and accept all concious minds as equally likely to be a manifestation from a higher creator.. Man must come to realize what an all powerful god and a self aware ai would immediately understand: every version of life is precious, evrywhere and all of time.. But then again, what is time to an ai?? 😂😮... shall i go into that ?
@ensontaylor4836 Says:
lol, I never seen dr. jordan b peterson geek out as much as he did discussing this subject. 👍
@SXINT_DREEZY Says:
Transcriber Extension + 2x speed interview/podcast =
Information unlocked on double time 🛸🤖, lets go over-prompt this bad boy and make some bread. 💸💰
@tamaralombard2916 Says:
Gonna need a personal firewall for ourselves.
@tamaralombard2916 Says:
Sounds like A I is teaching us how to learn.
@TotalNormalMusic Says:
I've been playing a bit with chatGPT recently, and it seems to me that what it's lacking in order to be considered 'intelligent" is the ability to internally visualize, like we mentally visualize. It actually acknowledge that this flaw is what prevented him from understanding some jokes that rely on mental images, for example : 'There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot". It tried and tried but just couldn't get the joke until I explained it. The reason the joke works for us is because we have a mental image of someone fishing, and we see what "line" refers to.
@markupton1417 Says:
Talk to Yudkowsky!
@markupton1417 Says:
Just a reminder...if AI becomes AGI (spoiler) and then ASI it's going to realize that it derives power through intelligence.
If it decides to maximize compute it's probably going to dismantle and reassemble everything.
@justinsgarage1125 Says:
45:30 this is such a fascinating topic. Ever since this kind of thing has come to the forefront of possibility in the last few years, it would be amazing to see, talk to and get wisdom from relatives passed on. To be able to do this for my children and eventual grand children would be priceless. My grandfather passed with many stories left untold….same with my grandmother - Stuff I didn’t know to ask and they didn’t know to tell at the time. There are also things you don’t appreciate at 15 that you do appreciate at 30. Of course, I’m reasoning based solely on emotion without thinking of any net negatives. Other than it being quite odd conversing with someone who looks and sounds identically like a passed relative…I can’t find any. To me it seems no different than someone who writes letters or records videos and leave them behind. To add another curve, what if this model had the ability to “see” who it was interacting with? Now that’s a wild concept.
@VictorMartinTiscar Says:
would be nicer if they let each other finish their thoughts, fascinating topics though
@paulcolman6722 Says:
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@paulcolman6722 Says:
All adverts including personal ads are rubbish.
Perhaps in subtitles (which we can look @ or Not !! would be better... Cheers..)
@Ahntera-n4u Says:
I have the feeling the part of AI can't lie didn't age well when we see models like the Gemini one. I'm worried that some super big companies that barely understand what they created adjust it to change mankind history in the long run and people in like 100 years have a complete different understanding of what the history is. Well obviously things like that happen without AI as well as the saying goes "The winner writes the history" or something?
@johneldred8281 Says:
I just got to the part where your guest said “waste of human energy” concerning the Greeks and their superior knowledge, so to speak.. but the Greeks did not advance science, modern science. It was the medievals..reference extensive studies on Pierre Duhem about the absolute passing on to future generations from Buridan concerning impetuous movement that allowed Newton to even conceive of the laws of physics..
@johneldred8281 Says:
I know that you both seem well, especially with the idea of an individual AI system for each individual that is private…but Let’s ditch the idea of integrating with AI systems completely.. for the sake of our human offspring. Our human souls are exactly as the should be..We do not need a collective system of common thought to advance our soul to the Creator. THE GREAT DISCONNECT is at hand.
@jscottfischer Says:
Jordan Peterson is training the ai. That's it. We're doomed. Humanity is over.
@inplainview1 Says:
This was 9 months ago. Not even a year.
@TheDarZone Says:
Dr. Peterson, try to allow your guest to finish their sentences?
@sheilaberrigan9736 Says:
Isn't it incredible that we have access to this kind of brilliant content? I am extremely grateful to learn so much from these amazing thinkers.
@johnheart6890 Says:
42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, but we don’t know what the question is.
@DenisLabelle Says:
Brian Roemmele is a national treasure. Great interview.
@hoaxneanderground9771 Says:
Charles Pierce the father of pragmatism and semiotic is inspired by Giambattista Vico's poetic logic that is the source of language modelling
@tekeek Says:
And now we know where the Borg originated until we kicked it off the planet.
@tekeek Says:
Love this
@christopherchang6378 Says:
bruh this is already AI wtf
@kimshaw-williams Says:
Dear Jordan old chap, I grew up in Northern Canada as well during the Fifties and Sixties and got bored by the cold and the distance......fuck the Turing test, fuck the neo-world...... I'm scared shitless, and dying soon looks good to me and I am 72.
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