Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Steve Templeton discuss his recent publication, 'Fear of a Microbial Planet: How a Germophobic Safety Culture Makes Us Less Safe.' They break down the 'discussed response' of the behavioral immune system, the pathogenic treatment of people during the COVID pandemic, the shift toward perceptual safety over common good, the programmatically induced fear that censors open discussion around these topics even now, and the impenetrability of those afraid, even when met with fundamental truths.
Dr. Steve Templeton is the Associate Professor of Microbiology and Immunology at Indiana University School of Medicine Terre Haute, formerly CDC/NIOSH. Dr. Templeton is the author of the new publication, 'Fear of a Microbial Planet: How a Germophobic Safety Culture Makes Us Less Safe.' The book examines pandemic responses, cultural and administrative, weighing historic examples against the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Ep. 366
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:20) Intro
(1:07) Taking in the pandemic as an immunologist
(3:54) Disgust as a behavioral immune response
(8:18) The denial of left wing authoritarianism
(13:29) Hitler, disgust sensitivity, the language of fear
(16:40) The danger of a safety culture
(22:18) Power and justification
(24:34) Death rates and dark incentives
(31:05) False group association, polarized science
(34:32) Our microbial world
(36:29) First world diseases due to being 'too clean'
(39:20) More bacteria in your body than cells
(42:45) The global pandemic response, masks for the cameras
(47:23) The transfer of wealth, loss of intellect
(50:17) When the left aligned itself with big Pharma
(53:21) Stoking fear against common sense
(58:50) The appearance of safety
(1:04:47) Where the safety culture thrives
(1:10:28) False certainty and extra measures
(1:17:06) The curse and blessing of social media
(1:18:26) The case for optimism
(1:24:40) You cannot eradicate risk
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1:03:08 on the daycare perspective….a lot of it is handed down by the state’s health department. They provide you with an exclusion list that you have to abide by or you will be shut down.
@yudcij Says:
And sorry for proposing to marry your daughter.
@yudcij Says:
Hey Jordan, I have a question. I was addicted to Marijuana. I stopped using it and I went to hell (literally, I know you that) and then I went back to using it. I just realized today it was quite stupid for me to go back despite all the pains of withdrawal. Why would that happen? Why would I willingly use something that killed me and made me meet God and Lucifer and I will still use it if I stop fighting it moment by moment. I even stopped trying to figure it coz it is still speaking very loudly to me even as I am writing this. I know the pain that is waiting for me but I know usage is the only thing I desire. I even think I have died severally and come back to life. Like last week, I dreamt of God and I took several bites off His hand as He was holding me down. The voices are telling me that it is God and God would never lead me to do something wrong and don't tell me it is the devil coz I can hear them all. Like just the same week, pre-dreaming with God, I dreamt having gone to hell and Juice WRLD was waiting for me and he told me to tell the devil how Eminem is such a bad singer and the devil was surprised. There is also another time I was reciting Lucifer's name to come and save me but no one could hear me as I figured a way to dream within a dream. So, I have three realities and it prevents those shits from catching up. But Marijuana is the problem. It is a plant with so much pain and the desire makes no sense. PS: Another time I was listening to Nietzsche while sleeping and he was teaching me how to shoot. I learned that the way to least experience what I was experiencing is by listening to anything while I was sleeping. My question is "WHY IS MARIJUANA SO GOOD?"
@yudcij Says:
What if the devil created us to learn about humility then use it to seek forgiveness from God and get back to Heaven?
@prgrier1 Says:
I think an initiator is the legal system and overbearing liability driven by protit.
@lindsey6975 Says:
My father wants a coat like Dr Petersons for Christmas. Does anyone know where I could get one like that?
@michaelroberts7770 Says:
I grew up in the 80's. and I don't remember censorship drives or music banning... After that remark my ears perked and doubt of this man's true honesty began...
@mattanderson6672 Says:
Brilliant!!
Fantastic interview!
Thank you
@pancake_ghosty Says:
24:40 for myself
@tomeichenberg9648 Says:
Why did they back off? Natural immunity. Ultimately: non-violent non-cooperation. Lots of people saw government for what it is. You can't unsee it.
@tomeichenberg9648 Says:
The appearance of "safety" is just female compassion run amok: it doesn't scale up to public policy. Giant virtue signalling is considered a substitute for logic and reason. Bolsheviks don't need reason, just power.
@tomeichenberg9648 Says:
Ha! I love the discussion of schools standards for closing. The county I live in (Hamilton, Chattanooga TN) has been notorious about closing school just because it rained, or there would be a possibility of rain. Complete stupidity even before COVID came along.
@tomeichenberg9648 Says:
Stanley Millgram's work has already proven people are happy to be idiots: even malevolent idiots.
@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt Says:
Mathias Desmet has shown that 85% of published papers amounts to junk science. John Iaonidis the most cited scientist of modern times concurs. Andrew Kaufman has shown that the science of virology is deeply flawed and questions whether it is a pathogen after all.
@beverlystone4513 Says:
The biggest difference between Liberal and Conservatives is CNN. Liberal trust their fake news. Conservatives are more skeptical of the legacy news and the government.
@beverlystone4513 Says:
This so-called pandemic was completely manufactured from the start.
@ibelieve3111 Says:
Hey
@nayrtnartsipacify Says:
its annoying when intelligent people call the nazis "right wing". The nazis were socialists. Socialisim is a distinctly left wing phenomenon. I think maybe cause they were white or they were conservative about thier specific veiw of german culture people think they were right wing but that is a very narrow thread.
The nazis and communists came out of the same fountainhead. Hegel and especially the new Hegelians.
Also the censorship in the late 80s and 90s was led by PMRC democrats like Tipper Gore.
@fitamerican5051 Says:
Remember.... leftists are God's who can control viral transmission and weather. The illusion needs to be validated so all can believe. We are seeing the same phenomenon with their trans ideology playing out in the public.
@mrmarkov7656 Says:
I have never herd a convincing argument that the Nazis were "rightwing." How are socialists running on the dissolution of class and promising free Healthcare and education through a strong state "rightwing?" I strongly agree with everything else said in this video.
@ritasampaio5517 Says:
Thanks
@shevawnprather7162 Says:
Hypocrisy has no bounds
@obe1withtheforce785 Says:
I hate it when people pretend to be less intelligent than they are to be 'politically correct'.
@polarisjustdothework2258 Says:
The policies changed only when it started negatively affecting profits
@Sig.Angelina9765 Says:
but remember that it was pretty much right After the Truckers united front that people saw through the level that our government would go to push their agendas. At that point people turned. The government knew enough to call measures to an end. fortunately the wool fell off most people's eyes at that very point.
@timothydoyle6859 Says:
Jordan asks why the pandemic ended and how that happened.
It was the POLLS. The public finally got fed up and the polls showed this.
So, voila! The pandemic was declared over.
@timothydoyle6859 Says:
You NEVER see kids playing in a park by themselves, unsupervised by an adult.
And these kids are going to need to learn how to thrive in a gig economy.
@gingeradventure Says:
I have OCD with germaphobia as an element. Took me 5 years of therapy and medication to see rationally. 2020 gaslit me like nothing else. Every cognitive behavioral tool I used was thrown to the wayside by the government, making arbitrary decisions on health and forcing people to enter mass hysteria while dissenting voices were silenced. Half-brained social distancing and masking protocols turned people paranoid and tyrannical. Never again.
@CVUteachings Says:
I had my daughters doctor that I took her to for so that she had her physical in order to play sports. They tried to inspect her genitals and also check for puberty then had her in the room alone without me and asking about abuse and drugs etc. they should do those probes in school. A doctor trying to establish a safe relationship with my child is inappropriate since I don’t agree with the medications they try to shove down our throat as if I am ordered to follow western medicine. I should be able to raise my child the way I choose and I realize they want more or all the control of our own offspring. We need to wake up and stop this now. Vote everyone get involved research new education policies
@charlottedurham3331 Says:
Research speaks volumes to expose the lies and deception 🤨
@charlottedurham3331 Says:
It would be of interest if other outbreaks happened after they decided to boot this child out of this particular daycare…..🤔🤔🤔
@survivingthetimes Says:
Safety culture is far worse than even wokeism. They use safety as a Trojan horse for control.
@gabby4382 Says:
Not all poisons are bitter , automotive antifreeze tastes like kool aid , sweetie 😊
@dwainseppala4469 Says:
I want to buy Dr Steve a new tie. That’s the fattest tie I have ever seen. I also want to buy your book, Doc. Thank you.
@kennethboecker419 Says:
Very informative and interesting interview but it seems I missed the part discussing "mask tyranny".
@robertmaxa6631 Says:
Fear and guilt. "Protect grandma, you get your shots". When the shots did nothing, to protect grandma. The difference between North America, and Europe, when it comes to kids, is in Europe, they trust the community, which is why they can leave their kids,for a minute.
@tommythompson7941 Says:
"...assuming there is a next time."
@dominiquerivero6611 Says:
It helps a lot to hear an indepth dialogue about the plandemic. Many are suffering mentally still
@friarnewborg9213 Says:
The "Safety Culture" really comes from the Feminization of the WEST. Bring back the Patriarchy! The opposite is H3LL, and we have seen it now
@chicagotalkshowhost Says:
Where was this conversation around 2021? Many were having this back then around 2020 and 2021 were vilified and censored---YT channels taken down, common sense people being rational being demonized--it was not so long ago and what's to stop it from happening again?
True heroes like Dr. Peter McCullough, and Dr. Robert Malone already covered all this back then---bravely and boldly. My book review on RFK Jr.'s book on Big Pharma and Fauci was pulled---when I had some 40 Subscribers.
Will you stand up to tyranny next time? Otherwise, it's too little, too late. Bravery in timing is paramount.
@AlecSorensen Says:
Research around 10-20 years ago were finding that conservatives are equal across values ( purity, kindness, fairness, loyalty, authority) whereas progressives were higher in kindness and fairness. I think that's outdated, which is why the concern over the pandemic (concern with public purity, use of authority) wasn't accurately predicted by right and left.
My theory: as a group gains power, I think it exercises all values, especially authority. When a group is out of power, it can't lean on authority, and it will also naturally tend to galvanize people are one or two major domains of values where it thinks it can get the most traction, or where it believes society is failing the most.
Regardless, Democrats in the US have been behaving more conservative: concern with the purity of health and ideology, fiercely testing in-group loyalty and ostracizing those that don't measure up on all their belief tenets, leaning heaving on regulation and authority to enact values. They also maintain their old language around values (kindness and fairness), but they actually lean on the other methods more. Essentially, Democrats have become, by values, a conservative organization.
In contrast, Republican (or at least people labeled right-wing by the press) have been much more prone to fight authority (because they don't have it), much more liberal in their openness to new ideas (less concern with ideological purity) and new people (less focus on in-group loyalty). There is more rhetoric around fairness (from their prospective), but what they seem to be leaning on more of is the freedom angle. Not one of the five, I know, and that seems a strange oversight. So what I think we're seeing is the formation of a new progressive movement, but not the one of the 90s/2000s, but a more liberatarian one (in a general sense).
Basically, the studies done in the 2000s by Jonathan Haidt et al. when Bush was president don't really map onto today's politics. I think that's one reason (in addition to social media's amplification of extreme voices) why there is more vitriol and anger. Every feels less in control and understands less of what's happening because the Democrats don't realize they are now conservatives and the "right-wing" hasn't yet realized it's a new form of progressive movement. Everyone is thrown of, scared, and defensive, because they don't understand what's happening and they don't understand the nature of the role they are playing and why it is getting the results it does.
@edmcdaniel1018 Says:
Jordan peterson is a gem to the world!
@kingcigonas2494 Says:
At 1hour 23 ISH
"You had variants, omicron!"
An anagram for moronic!
(Just go "all in " and call it out)
@jett888 Says:
More like Sceance
Don't trust the Controlled Opposition either.
@Daneiladams555 Says:
please have ed dowd on your show
@Daneiladams555 Says:
finally! ive been waiting for Jordan to speak on excess deaths, you did it!
@jaystrock613 Says:
They shut down the National Forest where I live. I am going to go to the forest and catch Covid. WTF.
@jaystrock613 Says:
The pandemic should have been business as usual. The show must go on. We need a good thinning of the herd. Humans are the livestock and money of the wealthy, just like a farmer. If millions of people would have died that would have been good for the rest of the common people and workers. It would have not been good for the wealthy because they would have lost consumers and hurt their incomes..
@fsff2070 Says:
Dr. Peterson, are you planning on a discussion with Mattias Desmet?
@madamadam4173 Says:
Excellent! But the people who need to hear this, won't. 🙉
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