Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. James Lindsay break down how Marxism evolved from a singular ideology into a genus, spawning many oppressor/oppressed dogmas across modern culture such as equity, critical race theory, and queer theory. They trace these sub-Marxist doctrines back past fundamental narrative into the theological realm, and detail their utility in the acquisition of power. Dr. Peterson and Dr. Lindsay also discuss the Grievance Studies Affair, of which Dr. Lindsay was a co-author and which casts a spotlight on the Marxist capture of our academic and scientific institutions.
An author, mathematician, and political commentator, Dr. James Lindsay has written eight books spanning a range of subjects including education, postmodern theory, and critical race theory. Dr. Lindsay is the founder of New Discourses, an organization dedicated to shining the light of objective truth in subjective darkness. Dr. Lindsay is the co-author of 'Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity?and Why This Harms Everybody' and the author of 'Race Marxism,' as well as, 'The Marxification of Education.' Dr. Lindsay has been a featured guest on Fox News, Glenn Beck, Joe Rogan, and NPR, and he has spoken at the Oxford Union and the EU Parliament.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(0:32) Intro
(1:30) 175 flights, the life of a public speaker
(4:00) The EU speech
(5:06) Why 'Woke' is Marxism
(6:27) The relation of Postmodernism and Marxism
(10:14) Marxism is a genus
(11:27) The fundamental core, prince of power
(12:49) Gnostic heresies, the inversion of praxis
(15:24) 'There is always a power dynamic'
(20:05) The undercurrent of resentment
(22:31) Cane and Able, second rate sacrifice
(25:41) The demi-urge
(29:42) When the world doesn't unfold at your feet
(31:17) God demands humility
(32:38) Bitter times
(37:09) Becoming a massage therapist
(41:42) The New Atheist Movement
(42:59) Getting beat by life
(45:08) The Grievance Studies Affair
(48:23) Counting arguments, proving what's true
(52:15) How a STEM mind aids philosophy
(57:22) Unconstrained creativity
(58:46) Getting around authority, PhD equivalence
(1:01:12) Why provoke academia?
(1:03:43) When an entity stores up value…
(1:04:38) False narrative of antagonism between science and religion
(1:07:54) The power of axioms, the axiom of infinity
(1:08:57) Replacing credentials with DEI statements
(1:11:47) Since publishing the Hoax Papers
(1:13:42) Gratitude is the opposite of bitterness
(1:15:19) Rank ordering students into a privilege caste
(1:17:02) The best camouflage for serpents is compassion
(1:17:43) Measuring predictors of left wing Totalitarianism
(1:20:07) The case for segregating the anonymous online
(1:22:03) Jonah, holding your tongue when you need to speak
(1:26:09) The natural progression of the Marxism genus
(1:29:09) Starting with critical race theory
(1:30:02) The 'they' behind these movements
(1:31:19) The WEF, the Great Reset
(1:34:40) How tyrants use fear, how to tell a tyrant from a good leader
(1:37:37) The Great Narrative for a Better Future
(1:39:39) Why you can't have 170 priorities
(1:42:23) What the peasants get
(1:44:23) Cosmic jokes and evil clowns
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Jefferson described it in a letter to John Adams dated October 12, 1813:
"In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to them. We must dismiss the Platonists & Plotinists, the Stagyrites & Gamalielites, the Eclectics the Gnostics & Scholastics, Logos & Demi-urgos, Aeons & Daemons male & female, with a long train of Etc. Etc. Etc. or, shall I say at once, of Nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the Amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves."
@CathyCampbell-h6e Says:
Carl Jung was gnostic
@edgyinvest Says:
Dear Prof. Peterson, I've chosen anonymity to express my opinions on the internet because I want to preserve my own privacy and safety, but I only do this because we live in a "progressively" totalitarian and surveillant internet.
Do you think I'm doing wrong?
@rodrigocastillo6087 Says:
Amazing chemistry. I love these two. I can't wait for the next time these two sit together again!
@Taco_Raider Says:
1:50:37
@aperson9847 Says:
"People say that I don't know what I'm talking about, which by the way is rarely the case." Brilliant lol
@paradox_1729 Says:
I looked up James' wiki page. Pretty obviously it was edited by a leftist.. apparently cultural marxism is a right wing conspiracy theory.
@zachmorgan6982 Says:
I love James.
Him and Jordan are 2 crazy old conservative uncles on twitter FOR SURE but as far as tearing down the abominable Karl Marx these 2 have done more than any politician I can name outside of Reagan.
BUT ON AN INTELLECTUAL LEVEL I DONT KNOW IF THERE ARE 2 MEN WHO HAVE DONE MORE TO EXPOSE NOT ONLY MARXISM/COMMUNISM FOR WHAT IT IS BUT HAVE MODELED AND EXPLAINED HOW IT MORPHED INTO ALL THE COLLEGE COURSES ENDING IN (STUDIES)
QUEER STUDIES, African American STUDIES
AND
ALL THE "CRITICAL" Theories
Like, well, CRITICAL THEORY, CRT, CRITICAL POST COLONIAL , CRITICAL FEMINIST THEORY ETC ETC
GOD BLESS EM
@andresrivas2400 Says:
"Wokism", or in fact any "sectoralist" ideology is the absolue opposite of Marxism. If you want to understand Marxism, it's about CLASS STRUGGLE. Forget "post modernists", etc. BTW - calling onself "Marxist" is not relevent. The NAZIS called themselves "Socialist" - 100% pro-Capitalist, "privitizers", bankrolled by the Capitalist Oligarchs in Germany and abroad, etc. So, as Lenin put it - "just as we don't judge a man by what he thinks of himself, we don't judge a political formation by what they call themselves". BTW - it's not ENVY that objects to the radical inequality of Capitalist "society" . in the US, 50% of the population has less than the one %. Not sustainable.
@ThkTwice Says:
A guest on Rosanne Barr, James Lindsay and it landed me right here. Another needle in a haystack and Jordan Peterson is also a jewel
@hihellohey444 Says:
This conversation was so interesting, thank you 😁
@Jay-b7j2f Says:
Watching 2 geminis as a gemini
@ConstantineLazarus Says:
I actually love JBP but this is low tier intellectualism.
@littlebomb3r Says:
I have lost all respect for James Lindsay. I'm slowly losing respect for Mr. Peterson.
@mistuhgee Says:
Probably no one is going to see this comment cuz it's 2 years since this was posted, however, I am wondering if the grand narrative of Marxism, which was the idea that we were working towards some sort of historically inevitable Utopia was like millennialism for Christians who believed that the second coming was just around the corner and kept believing that the world was about to end. Most of those Christian sects eventually set aside the immediate second coming of Christ as a core tenant, but held on to the rest of their Christian beliefs. I find this to be exactly analogous to the idea. Communism was always meant to usher in a Utopia but absolutely never did. So the Utopia has been pushed off to some unforeseeable future, while the basic core beliefs of communism are able to persist into postmodernism.
@TheGodfather101 Says:
The single greatest expose of academia belongs to Peter Baghossian, Helen Pluckrose..... and ofcourse James Lindsay.
@frithguild738 Says:
The Pharisee's fit well into the notion of a parasitic splinter. Perhaps this is why Christ interacted with them the way he did. Then there is the effect that the public - the comments section of you will - had on Pontius Pilate. The cult of the Pharisees and their comments section rabble corrupted Pilate by eclipsing his ability to exercise mercy.
@pcb9134 Says:
Great interview!! As an academic, I think we all together have to create our own journal that focused in research related to science according to Logos.
@eronar Says:
Capitalism is a religion and money is its god.
@MarieIsabellaB Says:
I'm anonymous on Twitter because I learned the hard way that people will threaten harm against not just myself, but family members. I signed up for speaking up, they didnt. For you to judge all anons a certain way needs reevaluation. Many of us would come out (or back out), and are planning to, when the very real risk of doxxing is less. The threats made me go anonymous. We are not all troll a
@babicereja Says:
I'm Brazilian so English is not my first language but boy, what a conversation. I have to pause it sometimes to understand but I love it. I love Dr Peterson Podcast and I am amazed by this guest. Thank you for this Dr Peterson
@kill1ng_time Says:
My cousin dropped out of high school and travel the world to study massage, and we're now using his knowledge to help my mom. She was in bed for about 8 months from a stroke about 8 years ago. Her back is wrecked. Just using heat for a couple of weeks.
@georgev2661 Says:
This is enlightening. What a great discussion. I work at a University and I'm quite conflicted with their agendas. Im glad that I came across this video.
@janice68329 Says:
I'd love to see a revisit of this conversation in light of the recent changes in U.S. government
@ChrisHarperKC Says:
"Pedagogy of discomfort." Holy cow, that's an amazing revelation.
@hankworden3850 Says:
As a bunghole, I eat corn for breakfast.
@erindeerhart5538 Says:
Shame they got so close to the truth about Gnosticism, but got it so wrong, as explained in the Rune Soup channel's response to this video.
Extremely interesting conversation, nonetheless! ❤️
@GraceSutherland-r9c Says:
175 flights in a year?😮
@michaelhazel810 Says:
Thanks!
@nomadoggo23 Says:
1:05:00 "begs the question" - JBP knows better than to misuse that phrase...
@Twin172 Says:
Widely Accepted Facts, Objective Truth, Reality.
When someone makes a claim to these things in an argument or polemic it is incumbent upon them to say what they mean by these things. No one has a universal understanding of these terms. When someone claims a whole group is rejecting reality but does not say what that reality is how do we know they are right? It is very different, for example, for someone to claim a group rejects reality then it is for them to say that group rejects Scientific Materialism … for example.
Otherwise, your polemic sounds like a rant.
Or, perhaps, it sounds like well crafted propaganda.
You must be transparent regarding the sort of water the roots of your tree dip into.
Otherwise …
Gen 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
You die.
-Peer Review Process
The farmer kept cows in booths in his barn.
Once a week he scraped out the booths and put it into a pile.
Once a month he spread the pile over his fields.
@Twin172 Says:
-Proverb
Careful
If you crucify
Of the splinter
Careful
If you purify
Of the spark
Careful
If you modify
Of the river
Careful
If you classify
Of the dark
@Eamon_USA Says:
I would love to know what are the "10 new psychological research papers" on left-wing authoritarianism!
Thank you for this discussion - it is amazing.
@Druku1977 Says:
Watching Peterson place James in a therapy session under the guise of a conversation is fantastic. He is phenomenal at drawing out more.
@bikeracerdude Says:
Two of my favorite humans having discussions of substance!
@cyprian_33 Says:
My parents and sister both voted for Kamala and shout me down or leave the room whenever I try and talk about any of this stuff. I’m genuinely concerned and they don’t believe me. They don’t listen to me.
@zerodeconduite804 Says:
This is so cool. 2 Gemini's speaking with one another.
This post modernist crap is so tiring.
@AHyperMedia Says:
the Right has withered out from conservative Hegel.ism into phenologies like Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophy, Blavasky's Theosophy (maybe:) Nazism -- but left Hegelism is vital and spreads... Kamala Harris: " ability to see what can be, unburdened by what has been". But: reality like in post ww2 Germany, Israel from 48 on got it like this: "ability to see what can bee, burdened by what has been!"
@ChristyK-m1o Says:
New Age movement is atheist. You are such a genius to be misled by things which are close to nature worship. You will save and serve the world if Jesus is your Way.
@that_random_guy_over_there Says:
Hello I'm just a construction worker in the middle of the United States and I've also rationalized out the same positions that you're talking about here.
So take heart people of all walks are coming to the same realization independent of each other by some means
@RabbitsaysJanusSaves1975 Says:
Two or my favourite people. Great conversation!
@ChristisLord2023 Says:
22 minutes in and these two have already traced this back to the garden, and they are absolutely correct.
Spoiler ; God wins.
@miqui3308 Says:
A COMBINATION OF PSYCHOLOGY, SOCIOLOGY, HISTORY, THEOLOGY AND ABOVE ALL, MATHEMATICS (LOGIC) IS THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE, THANK YOU PETERSON - LINDSAY
@Avamariagratia Says:
1:43:06 holidays are too expensive now, I’m in Britain, flights and rail are obscene and heating has doubled, literally.
@Avamariagratia Says:
1:35:26 problem, reaction, solution
@regnasaturnia Says:
Are we actually going to take seriously the idea that Marxism is "Gnostic heresy hidden in economics"?
@Trent-m6j Says:
"by definition, there's nothing wrong with women"
That's the clearest articulation of the halo effect I've ever heard. "By definition, women can't be in the wrong." Wow. Just, stunning admission of your bias there.
@Dani-c6w Says:
Wow there is truly a spiritual war going on around us. God is good all the time
@ALavin-en1kr Says:
What we are faced with now, with atheistic ideology, is trans humanism or humans embedded with technology.They do not understand consciousness. It is fundamental.and beyond reach, or interference; thankfully. Mind is elemental emerging with quantum events. It has been said: we are coming for your minds and it is the case.
Those without a religious perspective or grounding will be at risk. The definition of religion is that to which we are bound. We can be bound to a sane universal perspective or to some atheistic materialist perspective that does not understand or respect humanity and rather than contribute to human flourishing does the opposite.
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